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I recently wrote an article on the warbird you can find it at :
http://www.geocities.com/travlyn2/ddrix.htm

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I tend to assume that the A-type Warbirds are the ones that were mentioned in "Yesterday's Enterprise" (and were completely different) and the B-type was first seen by the Federation in "TNZ".

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You look at nearly every episode since TNZ - the Warbirds have been just a little over the length over the Galaxy class... I reckon the Romulans - in their first contact with the federation in 20+ years in TNZ - would want to send their biggest ship to scare The Federation...

Andrew

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Why not? They did it with the Klingon BoP.

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You are wise, witty, and wonderful, but you spend far too much time reading this sort of trash.

 

I would speculate that the Warbirds seen in such episodes as "Tin Man" "The Pegasus" and "Face of the Enemy" are on par with Nebula/Akira/Excelsior refits (refit to present day tech)

The Galaxies are probably a match or a bit under the TNZ Warbirds...

it sorta make sense since when there Was a Romulan buildup I think the supposed one in "The Defector" and the alternate one in "All Good Things..." The Federation sent Nebulas and Excelsiors to deal with the situation...

can anyone capture us a pic from "The Defector" when the Enterprise and Romulans are surrounded by the Klingon ships...

Also some captures from Tin Man would be nice... when the first Warbird buzzes the E-D.

Thanks

Andrew

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"All the lonely people, where do they all come from" - Eleanor Rigby, The Beatles.

That new Romulan ship on the book cover looks a heck of a lot loke the D'Deridex class. Was the new class supposed to look different or just be bigger?

And why is it that every artist who does a TNG piece thinks he has to use that same old picture of Picard witht he little grin on his face?

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But now that we have CGI the ships are going to very more.

As for Picards Pic , I have no idea :-)

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[This message has been edited by Dhunter (edited January 04, 2000).]
 

I had a comparison chart of the warbird and galaxy awhile back (deleted along with all my other stuff in a pc F* up) which basically indicates that the size factor is, in terms of power irrelevant.

Why do the Romulans have so many Warbirds? I'd say it's an inefficient building practice. But, they are probably easire to build than Federation starships, as most of the surface area is just a hull. In contrast Federation ships are not hollow in the middle.

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Also, examine the Warbird's design: two huge wings (but relatively thin) and a heck of a lot emptiness in between. So there is probably not more internal space overall available then there is on a Galaxy/Sovereign. The forward section seems to be devoted to crew quarters and the bridge, and there is only one (or two) disruptor mounted there (the forward firing pulse thing or the continuous green-phaser like thing). Thus, even though the WB is BIG, it is not a very efficient design at all. Now if it was shaped like an Imperial Star Destroyer... (oops, wrong universe ) but in its current form any Galaxy or even Akira should be able to take it on.

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The Kazon behemoths may be respectable adversaries to more modern vessels simply because of lots of body armor, or because of primitive but HUGE and NUMEROUS and thus powerful shield generators.

Also, a chronological difference may turn the tables in other ways as well: ancient weapons might take modern defences by surprise. See the tommy-gun against the Borg, or imagine a light WWII bomber raiding a modern airbase whose missiles refuse to lock onto the wooden toyplane and whose interceptors cannot match the speed or turning radius or ground-hugging maneuvers of the intruder...

Timo Saloniemi
 

Does anyone know how the modern romulan plasma-torpedo compares to the photon and quantum?

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[This message has been edited by The_Evil_Lord (edited January 05, 2000).]
 

Oh,Does anybody have a pick of the Romulan WB that is featured on the PC game Birth of a Federation?

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D'Kazanak class

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The Starship Encyclopedia
 

Your example bears no relevance.

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And starship are not design to "explode" on impact; you would want to survive an attack rather than "rammed" your enemy in a suicide attack, and it does not carry explosive materials up to 1/3 of it's body weight!

no offence, but comparing a missle to a batteship is not a very promising evident
 

I share the opinion that a 350-450m ship is all the size you need to mount the weapons-arrays of today, like the Akira and the Prometheus. That's what the romulans need, not another behemoth.

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They have better weapons in greater number with better shields without counting the shielding which is higher. They are larger thus more structures to be destroyed.they bring much more troops of soldiers.

It is not because a small vessel as the Defiant is modern that the others larger are not. The Federation are not people of war, they do not have as much experience or the knowledge in this field than the Romulans or Klingons for example.

Moreover I add that Romulans have already and will increase and add new classes of Bird of Prey who is the equivalent of the Federation Escort Class like Defiant in other. The first of the kind in the revival will be Vithrel-Class swift bird of prey envisaged into 2376 thus it is already made.

While passing what we see in Startrek it is well what they want to show us, it is not because D`deridex fire from the front only that they do not have others weapons elsewhere. Remember that!!

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The new singularity torpedo(black hole) introduced on the Vereleus-Class Dreadnought in response to Starfleet quantum torpedo. Improved armaments, improved cloak , new sensors, etc...
Many new Warbirds will arrived soon like the T'Kassan-class. Others already exist but are not known like D'Valek-Class Swift Warbird(Very Fast). An other Dreadnought the Praetorian-class in 2379 and many more..... They do not have just of Warbirds but also cruisers, Frigates, Gunships etc...

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I`m sure that the D`deridex and the Negh'Var will blow the Defiant very easly!!!

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Anyway, we know all that in Startrek the principal actors never dies, even if the situation would kill them 1000 times. Then forgets the Defiant, this ship is not so special...

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I believe this topic is more concerned about information about the ships that has appeared onscreen, what little there is.

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Anyway... I'm not sitting well with this whole little ships are better than big ships... There would have been a power come along well before this using smaller ships... I assume that the big arsed ships like the Enterprises and the Galors etc would have just swatted them down like flies. What bugs me (excuse the pun) is that Trek doesn't show REALLY what the ships can do... I would love to see a real starshipVstarship battle within a planetry system... with the crew using tactical strategies and the (powerful) phasers/disruptors arcing out across thousands of kms - just like they really do... and the torps - well they can reach warp speeds... I'd like to see them travelling halfway across an entire system!

Andrew

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Moreover I add that Romulans have already and will increase and add new classes of
Bird of Prey who is the equivalent of the Federation Escort Class like Defiant in
other. The first of the kind in the revival will be Vithrel-Class swift bird of prey
envisaged into 2376 thus it is already made.

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quote:

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A new upgrade programm for the legendary D'deridex class is scheduled to begin in
2378.

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Many new Warbirds will arrived soon like the T'Kassan-class. Others already exist but
are not known like D'Valek-Class Swift Warbird(Very Fast). An other Dreadnought the
Praetorian-class in 2379 and many more..... They do not have just of Warbirds but
also cruisers, Frigates, Gunships etc...

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Really? I thought the Romulans, in 2379, were going to construct a new Romulan Dreadnought called the 'Fnbyz'sck' Class, or translated into Federation Standard, roughly, "Those who are without knowledge should be beaten into a pulp". Sounds good to me.

Anyway, I KNOW FOR SURE that this class is going to be 8000 Meters long, and have a crew consisting of 20,000. It will also have a phase cloak, pulse-driver-inverted-tetryon-beam-flagstaff-poleron-beam-duty-free Torpedo Pulse launchers, more powerful than 90 Ticobalt Torpedoes combined (Those are the most powerful Federation torpedoes. Only carried by Sovereigns. And Voyager, because it has Seven. And she makes my Tri cobalt. If you know what I mean.

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The Romulans are changing there design the match Federation saucer designs. There latest ships will be 24km wide saucers called the Vris'Be class. The main gun is a huge laser beam located on the bottom at the exact center of the ship.

They are also planning to create a giant saucer dropship.

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Sorry Darkstar but you been replaced as the super-creative Crazed Star Trek fan.
 

a) beam weapons -- the round 'eyes' on either side of the ship's head are weapons. There are four other pairs of these on the ship. Two of them are on either side of the vertical portion at the back of the ship, and there's one pair each on the top and bottom of the ship along the trailing edge of the "wings" (near the center). There's also a paiur in an indented area on the top of the ship just aft of the root of the neck

b) torpedo launcher -- an opening on the top of the ship, at the root of the neck (just forward of the indention with the beam weapons)

c) navigational deflector -- the traingular "mouth" on the front of the head...no it's not a weapon as seen on the show

d) impulse engines -- the ship hasn't any! Andy said the ship was the last one he designed and he had very little time...he never got around to drawing the back, and the modelmakers never thought to add them. There are supposed to be a pair of stacked impulse exhausts at the very back of the ship.

Maurice

P.S. The Ferengi Marauder has no navigational deflector...when I asked Andy where it was he said, "I forgot it!"

 

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>Did [Andy Probert] mention what the Marauder's
>drop-down shuttle was supposed to look like?
>It doesn't fit with the Ferengi Pod...

As far as I know, what you see of it sticking out of the bottom of the ship is all that was designed. I know it was a swept-forward wing, but that's all.

Other Marauder features lost were the moving parts on the model, which only were ever used in The Last Outpost, and not clearly seen. There's a shot of the Ferengi ship ont he viewscrren where the front end appears to be moving towards the Enterprise. There's a seam along the next where the ship kind of separates, the idea being that when a Ferengi ship surrendered it would open this gap, "exposing it throat", so to speak, as a gesture of capitulation. The clawlike weapons were designed to fold down too. The idea was that the Ferengi ship would do this gesture and the Enterprise crew would misinterpret it as opening gunports or something, but this never happened and the ship's moving parts were never really seen in action again.

 

While poking around the net I found a photo of the Marauder model with it's neck joint opened and its weapons folded down, as well as the coffin shaped upper structure at the top of the ship raised.
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/scans/mechanics/dkora-model.jpg
 

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