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Posted by warbird5 on :

How come the Federation was losing a war against the Klingons in that alternate timeline.

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Posted by TerraZ on :

Honestly, I don't have any idea. Almost every war in Star Trek consists of Big Ol' Federation (150 member worlds) against a single race (Klingons, Romulans, Tholians, Cardassians, Tzenkethi(?)) and the Federation
always seems to suffer huge casualties from this. You'd think with such a large entity and with such a good economy (that's a supposition) the Federation would quickly kick their butts. Also, those "Enemy" races all seem to have a large territory compared to the UFP.

It may be that because of its peaceful philosophy, the Federation never had any major obstacle to overcome. They never needed to conquer large area of space just for the territory. They never saw the need to expand as much as possible and build large fleets of warships to overcome their enemies. That may be why the UFP always seems low on ships, officers and supplies in wartime. That and maybe the fact that almost every race except for Humans, Vulcans and Bolians don't seem to give a d*mn about Starfleet (save for a few exceptions).

Oups, I kinda got lost in my own thoughts... Well, as for the Klingons winning the war well... read explaination above...

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Posted by warbird5 on :

During the war, the Federation probably contributed around 50% of the ships, klingon 30%, and the romulans the rest. And generally speaking Federation ships are more advanced and more powerful than the other Alpha Quadrant species so they contributed most of the war effort. More than the the other 2 combined. The federation was stronger than the Empire during the time of the Khitomer peace conference. The early TOS era Klingons may have been as strong as the Federation. I believe the Klingons have about 55% of the strength of starfleet.

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During the Dominion War if it wasent for the Klingons the Fed and The Rommies would be under Dominion Control , the Klingons were the only ships that could take the Breen Energy Weapon which of course the Federation also found a way around later. But my point is that Dont think the Federation will always come out winning just because they have better tech you also have to have good tactics to deal with things that is why the Klingons had the upper hand in the Alternate TL War they had the advantage of being battlehardend the federation is very peaceful they arnt that Warminded also they hadent fought any wars in a while the Klingons on the other hand had been Fighting the Romulans for a while i believe.

I really think you are overestimating the federation really the Alpha Quad Species have about equaly effective military strength for example the Klingons and the Rommies have Cloaks the Fed doesnt , the Klingons have their love for war which in most cases means that they have superiour tactics and the Romulans are very tricky they are very talented warriors.

the only reason the Fed always wins is because they are the main Charactor , they always find a way out of no win situation because they are the main charactor they cant lose because people dont like sad endings. Of course if they do by some freak occurance lose in one ep it will always be avenged by the season finale :-)

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

I don't think it's a case of overestimating the Federation so much as underestimating the Klingons.

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

We also have no way of knowing what was going on behind the scenes in this alt timeline. Maybe there some Socio-Political upheaval in the Federation. Maybe many of its member races had dropped out or switched sides. Maybe the Fed Pres. really ticked some people off and domestic terrorism was on the rise. Who knows?

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

They also may have been fighting other wars at the same time. Maybe not right at the time of "Yesterday's Enterprise", but at other times during the Klingon war. In the normal Trek timeline, the Cardassian and Tholian wars fell during that time period. Perhaps those wars were also fought in the YE timeline. Fighting those wars plus the one w/ the Klingons would have caused huge problems for the Feds.

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