There were three types of phaser rifles seen in First Contact. They were: Type 3a rifle (long black end, also seen in Insurrection) Type 3b rifle (similar to 3a, but with short, blunt end) EVA rifle (used by Picard and co. on the outside of the Enterprise)
I have good schematics of the 3b, but can anyone tell me where I can find decent schematics of the 3a and the Eva rifles?
P.S. I'm so glad they came up with new rifles. The Next Generation and Voyager ones are so ugly!!!
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Posted by bonecrusher on :
Well I dont know of any schematics of them anyway, i have something to fuss about, ok, the 3 rifles u mentioned didnt premire until First Contact, anyway then how in the hell did Voyager get them when first contact happened after they were lost in the delta quadrant??? Oh and dont tell me they were brand new technology going along with the ship. They had there own Rifles in Caretaker, the "compression rifles", oh even DS9 didnt get the FC rifles until well after the event they still used the old, but modified rifles from the TNG series!
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When have they used rifles that weren't the compression phaser variety on Voyager...? That eludes me at the moment...
Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
"Macrocosm" comes to mind...
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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
Also "The Raven"...
Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
And yet they used the compression phaser rifles in "Message in a Bottle". These people confuse me. Posted by Black Knight (Member # 134) on :
There was also a variant of the blocky 'blunt-ended' one that looks like that it wasn't finished.
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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
And you know what, it's not just phaser rifles! Voyager uses the new tricorders that were intorduced for DS9 as well. Remember that when Voyager started, they were still using TNG tricorders.
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Posted by Delta Vega (Member # 283) on :
Yeah thats true, how have they updated all there systems when they are stranded in the Delta Quadrant?! Another point against Voyager's continuety.
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I tend to ignore tech problems like the one's mentioned here so as not to drive myself crazy. I'd say that the designs were in the computer banks awaiting an implementation date or that the designs were transmitted to Voy as part of the coded message they received. Course, that doesn't explain why the new uniform were not transmitted as well...
As far as the phaser rifles go, just because we never saw them before FC, doesn't mean they weren't around before FC...
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Posted by Trip Tucker (Member # 297) on :
I'm just looking for side views of the phaser rifles. Like the ones seen in The Star Trek Magazine. Does anyone have any scans? They would really be alot of help to me. As for the new rifles being on Voyager, one could say that the replicators were programmed to dispense new designs when the issue time came. That would explain the tricorders and phasers, but not the uniforms, which Voyager still has not received yet. I hope Voyager learns about the new uniforms soon so they can change out of the ugly ones in use now! I was so peeved when the Doctor went to the Alpha Quadrant in "MiaB" and didn't tell Janeway that the uniforms were updated when he got back. I really think the Voyager crew would look great in the new uniforms.
Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
I like Voyager having its own uniforms (ones I like better, as they fit Starfleet's mission more, IMO). Then it doesn't just look like they have DS9's (one of the reasons DS9 switched to the First Contact ones, IIRC).
Posted by nx001a (Member # 291) on :
About the new phasers on voyager. Assume that type 3a phasers were not used at the time of the caretaker and that starfleet sent a schematic of the phaser. Would it not take a long effort and replicator power to relicate these new phasers or one could just assume they had a prototype on board.
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The phasers are actually disguised Changelings. Probably the same ones who posed as uniforms during Generations...
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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
What if the rifles actually *are* capable of changing shape? In "First Contact", just about everybody save for Worf starts with angular-muzzle rifles, and by the time they engage the Borg, everybody has a smooth cylinder-muzzle rifle. Perhaps the angular casings slip over the cylindrar muzzles, but have a tendency to overheat or break off, which is why users tend to rip them out of the way when the quartermaster isn't looking?
Have we ever even seen anyone actually firing the blunt-nosed version? Perhaps the angular thing is a muzzle guard that HAS to be removed before going to combat, revealing the black cylinder!
In any case, the DS9 Tech Manual apparently speaks of the Voyager compression rifle when saying "type-3a" (the "split resonator head", the "only available in certain frontline starships" thing, etc.), while both the blunt-nosed and cylinder-head ST:FC rifles are collectively known as type-3b.
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Posted by Montgomery (Member # 23) on :
If it is of any use there is a site i have (ahem) been made aware of that deals with this subject matter specifically.
Of course, this could be misinterpreted as a SPAM , or scandalous and unlawful promotion of another site. So I should add that the site linked to above is absolute pants. No, seriously, it sucks ass. Who would go to a site such as this? Only a lunatic with a watermelon for a brain! Only the product of a union twixt man and gerbil! Do not follkow this link. In fact, turn off your computer and go have a walk or something. Anything but look at this patheitic excuse for a website.
There, does that exempt me from spamming regulations?
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Yes. But now Lee gets to kill you for insulting his site. :-)
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Posted by Montgomery (Member # 23) on :
D'oh!
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I've been looking for that link since the thread started! But the one at the BA is outdated. I should fix it. I should do a lot of things.
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, or scandalous and unlawful promotion of another site. So I should add that the site linked to above is absolute pants. No, seriously, it sucks ass. Who would go to a site such as this? Only a lunatic with a watermelon for a brain! Only the product of a union twixt man and gerbil! Do not follkow this link. In fact, turn off your computer and go have a walk or something. Anything but look at this patheitic excuse for a website. 