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"The Starships of the Federation are the physical, tangible manifestations of Humanity�s stubborn insistence that life does indeed mean something."
Spock to Leonard McCoy in "Final Frontier"
Boris
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"The Starships of the Federation are the physical, tangible manifestations of Humanity�s stubborn insistence that life does indeed mean something."
Spock to Leonard McCoy in "Final Frontier"
What issue is that referring to?
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Federation Starship Datalink - On that annoying Tripod server, sucks don't it?
Also there is at least one fly-by in the first episode where you can see the underside of the saucer of the CGI model.
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Boris
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Boris
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As for Equinox herself, could this thing look anymore like a bloated duck? Anyway, we can start making some guesses on this class's capabilities. First, front view, she definatly has two forward torpedo launchers, one on either side of the upper deflector.
Top view, what is the thing inbetween the shuttlebay and the impulse engine along the spine? It looks like some kind of alcove, since the area is obviously raised, and the dark area below appears to be sunken in. Maybe aft torpedo launchers? I'm also guessing this ship only has 4 transporters or less since there are only 6 transporter pads, 4 fore, 2 aft.
Bottom view, very odd. First, what is the small area at the very front where the ships name/registry is located? Some kind of add-on to the shield-grid? Moving back, why is the lower sensor dome (I am assuming that is meant to be a sensor dome) green? Farther back still, on either side of the main ventral strip, there appear to be rather large cargo doors. Maybe for loading super-heavy cargo equipment? Another thing to notice, no escape pods on the ventral side. They are all dorsal.
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"The things hollow--it goes on forever--and--oh my God!--it's full of stars!" -David Bowman's last transmission back to Earth, 2001: A Space Odyssey
The Voyager herself looks...well rounded likewise. The Equinox could take some weight off the forward secondary hull.
I kept looking for the forward launchers in the area just above the secondary hull deflector, because that's where the MSD puts them. Then I saw the two rather obvious tubes - another case where the finished model contradicts the MSD.
The raised area are the aft launchers, most likely. There is a prelim schematic (unlabeled) which shows two tubes protruding out.
The area on the front bottom where the registry is located corresponds to the horizontal part of the saucer deflector - maybe it's a removable sensor array?
I count 20 pods total. With a crew of about 80, that works out to a minimum of four people per pod. They look like Voyager's pods which have a capacity of at least six people.
Are transporter emitters the yellowish rectangles on each side of the bridge escape pods? They are yellow on Voyager.
Also, what's the little alcove on the ventral side of the tail? There is also an aft tractor beam emitter between the nacelle pylons.
Boris
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Some thoughts about the Nova-class though:
1. The large "cargo doors" that the359 mentioned actually look like landing-strut doors and it would coincide with the MSD, which gives the Nova-class landing struts.
One question arises though; where are the doors for the aft landing-struts?
2. On the Aeroshuttle, we can clearly make out aft impulse vents and stubby warp nacelles on the sides that we couldn't make out before. This tells us that's it's really a shuttle of some sort (Aeroshuttle?) This leads me to wonder: Is every part of this ship adorably chunky?
3. The sensor dome reminds us of the green glowing Borg enhancements of the Delta-Flyer, doesn't it? It looks cool anyway.
4. The aft alcove just above the shuttlebay is most definitely aft torpedo launcers. It would just be a wise design move to put them there. Hey Boris, do you have any aft views so we can verify this?
5. The whole Deck 1 area is the best part of the whole ship. It's a design not unlike the Defaints', but flowing and oblong so we get a sense of "speed". The port/starboard windows on Deck 1 are probably the Conference lounge and Ready room.
Although they might sound naive to all you senior members, those are my thoughts on the subject. Thanks for listening.
Chris
4. There is a Tim Earls blueprint aft view which doesn't seem to show the alcove, it might not be sufficiently detailed.
In general, it shouldn't be too difficult to figure out the purpose of any of these widgets - Rick Sternbach is fairly consistent in his designs, and we can always ask.
Boris
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It doesn't matter if you don't know what you're doing as long as you look good doing it.
Anyway, I like the ship and it's cool that it has landing struts since it was stated that the ship conducts planetary research. But why no aft rendering of the ship?
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"Life's a bitch, then you die"
-USS Vanderbilt, Vanderbuilt Class starship
And Michael, why do you have the dedication plaque quote of the USS Luzon listed as the quote from the Vanderbilt?
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there's no guarantees y'know, you're on your own.
It's like, "law of the jungle"!
-Keva Rosenberg
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"Look! I'm quoting myself."
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"The Starships of the Federation are the physical, tangible manifestations of Humanity�s stubborn insistence that life does indeed mean something."
Spock to Leonard McCoy in "Final Frontier"
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"Look! I'm quoting myself."
- me
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Boris
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I matched the dorsal view with a dorsal defiant-pic I have, it really puts matters in perspective.
The detailing and windows of the Nova had me thinking 200-300 metres of her but it would lose hands down against a Defiant (besides the fact that it's a science-vessel).
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there's no guarantees y'know, you're on your own.
It's like, "law of the jungle"!
-Keva Rosenberg
Fortunately, we have a couple of other pieces of evidence. Rick Sternbach mentioned (while still designing the Equinox) that the ship will have six 13' decks and two 16' decks. The Tim Earls layout does show that Decks 3 and 4 are larger than the rest, which supports the statement. I assumed that the overall deck span is 110' (=6*13+2*16), matched the figure with Earls' deck lines and got 200 +/- 9 meters.
Now, the situation is not so simple - the Earls schematics show that the other decks are not equally tall, while Deck 3 is a pixel taller than Deck 4. I still equated the span of these two decks with 32 feet, and got an overall length of
179 +/- 9 meters.
Finally, I set the lowest deck heights in the Earls schematics (8 pixels) equal to 10 feet. The result is 170 +/- 10m.
It should also be noted that the bridge of a 110m Defiant gives a 148m Pathfinder, while the bridge of a 171m Defiant gives a 229m Pathfinder. Overall, however, it would seem to me that the canon 172m fits most of the other evidence.
Boris
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The Bridge of the Equinox may simply be shaped like the Defiant's FROM THE OUTSIDE. It looks nothing like the Defiant's layout inside.
Therefore I do not think that size comparisons based on the (disputed) dimensions of everone's favourite Escort are of any use.
Very cool pics, lest I forget the raging horn I had when I first saw them. Not.
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The howling wind and the driving rain,
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Also, there is the whole issue with nearly identical designs of different sizes, even though we've seen a couple on the show. This doesn't seem to be the case here, as the first half of the saucer is four decks tall on both ships judging by deflector grid lines. These are some of the points that suggest an identical size for both the pathfinder and the Equinox.
Boris
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Quantum Threshold
Andrew
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"Who wouldn't be the one you love
Who wouldn't stand inside your love." - Stand Inside Your Love, The Smashing Pumpkins
Is there a MSD of the Equinox showing everything?
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"Life's a bitch, then you die"
-USS Vanderbilt, Vanderbuilt Class starship
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If we look at the deck heights within the actual Equinox MSD, and assume that the lowest decks are 10' apart, the overall length works out to 189 +/- 6 meters. A 150m Equinox would give us several eight-foot decks, which is possible but highly uncommon.
Furthermore, the size of the human figures in the MSD suggests a size of *at least* 202 meters, that's assuming the figures are 6 feet tall. I took the most conservative size for the figures (9 pixels) - the actual figure might go beyond 200m.
Boris
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I wonder how long Frank thinks it is.
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Actually the MSD's are a rather accurate representation of the flyby's.
I have to agree with Frank here: 160m
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Boris
Boris
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"Life's a bitch, then you die"
-USS Luzon, Vanderbuilt Class starship
I found the following VFX image of the Equinox underneath Voyager on Graham Kennedy's website. The span of Voyager's nacelles is no more than twice the width of the Equinox's saucer. Measuring the indicated lines, I got an upper limit of 161 meters for the Eq's length. Interesting.
Boris
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"The Starships of the Federation are the physical, tangible manifestations of Humanity�s stubborn insistence that life does indeed mean something."
Spock to Leonard McCoy in "Final Frontier"
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"Who wouldn't be the one you love
Who wouldn't stand inside your love." - Stand Inside Your Love, The Smashing Pumpkins
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"The Starships of the Federation are the physical, tangible manifestations of Humanity�s stubborn insistence that life does indeed mean something."
Spock to Leonard McCoy in "Final Frontier"
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-It's a free society, except there's nothing free,
there's no guarantees y'know, you're on your own.
It's like, "law of the jungle"!
-Keva Rosenberg
Or maybe Soliton wave investigation was part of the Equinox's mission before it ended up in the DQ... thus the wave rider was a one off for that ship - too big for the shuttle bay it was stored... somehow - in the captain's yacht bay?
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"Who wouldn't be the one you love
Who wouldn't stand inside your love." - Stand Inside Your Love, The Smashing Pumpkins
Here is a closeup of the Equinox Waverider/Aerowing:
You can see that the starboard 'wing' is damaged. The port wing actually extends all the way the the top of the picture.
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I'm not an atheist, I'm a maybeist�
The Landing Pads: Definatly look like these are landing pads, but there is a problem. There are objects identical to these "doors" on the top of the saucer as well, right next to the aft phaser strip. This may lean to the idea that these are cargo bay doors instead.
The "Waverider": The ship appears to have a registry number attached to her backside. But the number doesn't appear to read NCC-72381. It seems as if it's only 4 digits...
Also, the wing is NOT broken on one side, they are both intact.
Also, there are 6 interesting red triangles surrounding the "secondary deflector". They all point toward the deflector. Maybe telling enemy ships "Hit me here"?
The article also says there is a "clean" (undamaged) version of the CGI Model, for when TPTB want to bring the Nova Class back
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"The things hollow--it goes on forever--and--oh my God!--it's full of stars!" -David Bowman's last transmission back to Earth, 2001: A Space Odyssey
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"Life's a bitch, then you die"
-USS Luzon, Vanderbuilt Class starship
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"The Starships of the Federation are the physical, tangible manifestations of Humanity�s stubborn insistence that life does indeed mean something."
Spock to Leonard McCoy in "Final Frontier"
They could of course also be the sort of impulse engines the Voyager and her type 9 shuttles seem to have, with similar "slatted" exhausts.
Between these engines could be an aft boarding ramp, or then a proper impulse engine for spaceflight.
Timo Saloniemi
That looks to me like a small crater. Look at the ragged edge and the color inside the circle.
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There does appear to be a registry number on the aeroshuttle, it's too small to make out though, but I believe it also says NCC-72381.
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"If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you."
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Boris
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"The things hollow--it goes on forever--and--oh my God!--it's full of stars!" -David Bowman's last transmission back to Earth, 2001: A Space Odyssey
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Meddle not in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!
(-=\V/=-)
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"The Starships of the Federation are the physical, tangible manifestations of Humanity�s stubborn insistence that life does indeed mean something."
Spock to Leonard McCoy in "Final Frontier"
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Meddle not in the affairs of dragons for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup!
(-=\V/=-)
My post to .ricksternbach:
The Equinox does have an Aerowing-style shuttle of its own, quote "a hypersonic 'waverider' shuttle, a highly fuel-efficient vehicle at Mach 5 and above".
The description on your page:
The Nova-class has an Aerowing-style shuttle of its own, quote "a hypersonic 'waverider' shuttle, a highly fuel-efficient vehicle at Mach 5 and above".
Boris
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4-view Schematics = 1605x1752
http://trekelite.virtualave.net/Equinox_1.gif
4-view CGI Renders = 1300x2010
http://trekelite.virtualave.net/Equinox_2.jpg
Take that. =P
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The top view in the schematics is by Rick Sternbach, and it's not meant to be the final version. The other views are by Tim Earls. I'm sure the Magazine or the Fact Files will go ahead and do a Technical Briefing on the Equinox, featuring proper schematics.
Boris
Boris: I just scanned them at 300dpi, full colour. What you see is what you get, except for the CGI views, which I actually resized down by 200 pixels...
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"The Starships of the Federation are the physical, tangible manifestations of Humanity�s stubborn insistence that life does indeed mean something."
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