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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
 
I heard that the Equinox has a sort of "aerowing", which can be seen in st:the magazine. Since I live in Europe I can�t get that magazine. Can someone please scan the "aerowing", and post it here?

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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
 
There's no picture of the craft itself, it's just an outline on the ship's underside. Somebody's gonna scan in the full CGI views sooner or later - maybe I'll do it. It's a great article.

Boris
 


Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
 
Boris: Yeah, I heard that too, it�s the same view that we see with Voyager�s aerowing, isn�t it?
Can you scan that? I would love to see it!

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Posted by Basill on :
 
Boris:

What issue is that referring to?

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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
 
Issue #7 page 22. The saucer section is not shown in MSD format, just a small area in the center of the ship.

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
 
You can see a side view of the Nove class Aerowing on the MSD seen in the episodes.

Also there is at least one fly-by in the first episode where you can see the underside of the saucer of the CGI model.

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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
 
Nope, this is not issue 7. It's issue 14 with Robert Beltran on the cover, which somehow landed in a Manhattan comic shop prior to the stated release date (actually, this happens all the time, and much of the preview info is incorrect anyway - issue 13 didn't mention the Equinox article). This one's got Rick's blueprints, CGI views, the works. I'll try to scan in some of the materials.

Boris
 


Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
 
Kick ass, CGI's and schematics of the Nova-class! I look forward to the issue.

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Posted by Trip Tucker (Member # 297) on :
 
Finally some schematics of the Nova-class! I love that little ship! As for the Aeroshuttle, Fructose1 posted this schematic in an earlier subject and it clearly shows the "NASA-spaceshuttle" contours of the Aeroshuttle. As for the schematics and CGI coming up in issue 14 of the Star Trek Magazine; why didn't they tell us in the "Coming soon" part?
 
Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
 
The image looks pretty darn accurate if you ask me; here's the real thing:
http://www.adelphi.edu/~skrbicb/eq4view.jpg

Boris
 


Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
 
Hehehe... This screws up SFA's Nova model considerably...

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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
 
I have the SFA CGIs on my hard drive. They looks like the next best thing to the model kit schematics - I'm not sure that StarCraft could've arrived at these by simply watching the show.

Boris

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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
 
Back to the Aerowing, it certainly looks like some kind of heavy craft (definatly too big to fit in the shuttlebay). You can see some sort of vents on the port and starboard of the object, most likely impulse engines. It looks like it has stubby wings too. This looks a heck of a lot like the X-33 VentureStar

As for Equinox herself, could this thing look anymore like a bloated duck? Anyway, we can start making some guesses on this class's capabilities. First, front view, she definatly has two forward torpedo launchers, one on either side of the upper deflector.

Top view, what is the thing inbetween the shuttlebay and the impulse engine along the spine? It looks like some kind of alcove, since the area is obviously raised, and the dark area below appears to be sunken in. Maybe aft torpedo launchers? I'm also guessing this ship only has 4 transporters or less since there are only 6 transporter pads, 4 fore, 2 aft.

Bottom view, very odd. First, what is the small area at the very front where the ships name/registry is located? Some kind of add-on to the shield-grid? Moving back, why is the lower sensor dome (I am assuming that is meant to be a sensor dome) green? Farther back still, on either side of the main ventral strip, there appear to be rather large cargo doors. Maybe for loading super-heavy cargo equipment? Another thing to notice, no escape pods on the ventral side. They are all dorsal.

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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
 
The 'waverider'-shuttle is an atmospheric craft, capable of Mach 5 and above according to Sternbach. No mention is made of its space capabilities in the article - it may not have impulse engines since those do not appear to function well within the atmosphere (Timo's thoughts).

The Voyager herself looks...well rounded likewise. The Equinox could take some weight off the forward secondary hull.

I kept looking for the forward launchers in the area just above the secondary hull deflector, because that's where the MSD puts them. Then I saw the two rather obvious tubes - another case where the finished model contradicts the MSD.

The raised area are the aft launchers, most likely. There is a prelim schematic (unlabeled) which shows two tubes protruding out.

The area on the front bottom where the registry is located corresponds to the horizontal part of the saucer deflector - maybe it's a removable sensor array?

I count 20 pods total. With a crew of about 80, that works out to a minimum of four people per pod. They look like Voyager's pods which have a capacity of at least six people.

Are transporter emitters the yellowish rectangles on each side of the bridge escape pods? They are yellow on Voyager.

Also, what's the little alcove on the ventral side of the tail? There is also an aft tractor beam emitter between the nacelle pylons.

Boris


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Posted by Trip Tucker (Member # 297) on :
 
The Equinox is a chubby little sucker, isn't she? I still like the Nova-class, though. It's like VW beetles; they're tiny and chubby but that makes us love them even more!

Some thoughts about the Nova-class though:

1. The large "cargo doors" that the359 mentioned actually look like landing-strut doors and it would coincide with the MSD, which gives the Nova-class landing struts.
One question arises though; where are the doors for the aft landing-struts?

2. On the Aeroshuttle, we can clearly make out aft impulse vents and stubby warp nacelles on the sides that we couldn't make out before. This tells us that's it's really a shuttle of some sort (Aeroshuttle?) This leads me to wonder: Is every part of this ship adorably chunky?

3. The sensor dome reminds us of the green glowing Borg enhancements of the Delta-Flyer, doesn't it? It looks cool anyway.

4. The aft alcove just above the shuttlebay is most definitely aft torpedo launcers. It would just be a wise design move to put them there. Hey Boris, do you have any aft views so we can verify this?

5. The whole Deck 1 area is the best part of the whole ship. It's a design not unlike the Defaints', but flowing and oblong so we get a sense of "speed". The port/starboard windows on Deck 1 are probably the Conference lounge and Ready room.

Although they might sound naive to all you senior members, those are my thoughts on the subject. Thanks for listening.
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Posted by Trip Tucker (Member # 297) on :
 
Boris, that ventral alcove on the tail is actually windows. There are 3 similar to Voyager's aft shuttlebay lounge.
 
Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
 
1. There is an identical-yet-scaled-down set of landing struts (if that's what they are) in the aft portion of the secondary hull, just forward of the tractor emitter rectangle. You can barely make them out in the scanned image, but they are identical in the original photo.

4. There is a Tim Earls blueprint aft view which doesn't seem to show the alcove, it might not be sufficiently detailed.

In general, it shouldn't be too difficult to figure out the purpose of any of these widgets - Rick Sternbach is fairly consistent in his designs, and we can always ask.

Boris
 


Posted by Fructose (Member # 309) on :
 
You know, this little 6 inch model I got is amazingly accurate for not having the info we just got. All the details are there, but some are a little out of place and slightly misshaped. And if you think it looks chubby on a 2-d screen, you should see it in it's full 3-d beauty. Thing looks like it has a thyroid problem! And it goes great next to my Voyager model that happens to be in the same scale. I got pictures of it if you want to see.

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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
 
My dear God! The ship needs a diet...LOL!!

Anyway, I like the ship and it's cool that it has landing struts since it was stated that the ship conducts planetary research. But why no aft rendering of the ship?

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Posted by Justin_Timberland (Member # 236) on :
 
Did anyone notice how the nacelles look similar to the alternate Intrepid Class nacelles in Star Trek: Starship Creator?

And Michael, why do you have the dedication plaque quote of the USS Luzon listed as the quote from the Vanderbilt?
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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Anyone know the length of the Nova? Assuming Voyager is 344m. Or is there a canon length?

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
 
If you compare the two MSD's as seen on screen you'll get a length of about 150 +/- 10 meters.

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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
 
Boris: your pic, is that the pic from the magazine?

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
 
And do you have a rear view?

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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
 
No aft CGI view. Here are all the new images (I didn't want to scan in the familiar Pathfinder schematic from the DS9TM): http://www.adelphi.edu/~skrbicb/Eq3quart.jpg - A nice 3/4 CGI view of the ship
http://www.adelphi.edu/~skrbicb/pathfinder.jpg - Sternbach's pathfinder top view used by Drexler to draw the DS9TM schematic
http://www.adelphi.edu/~skrbicb/eqprlmn.jpg - a preliminary top view by Rick Sternbach. Note the Noble class designation.
http://www.adelphi.edu/~skrbicb/eqprints.jpg - Tim Earls' blueprints of the Equinox.

Boris

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Damn you for giving me multiple orgasms just like that!!! These are gorgeous!

I matched the dorsal view with a dorsal defiant-pic I have, it really puts matters in perspective.
The detailing and windows of the Nova had me thinking 200-300 metres of her but it would lose hands down against a Defiant (besides the fact that it's a science-vessel).

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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
 
I did a number of size calculations. The episodes themselves offer two compelling pieces of evidence: the simulation Okudagram and the MSD comparison Okudagram. The latter scales to less than 150m, the former to about 172+/-4m. Which is correct?

Fortunately, we have a couple of other pieces of evidence. Rick Sternbach mentioned (while still designing the Equinox) that the ship will have six 13' decks and two 16' decks. The Tim Earls layout does show that Decks 3 and 4 are larger than the rest, which supports the statement. I assumed that the overall deck span is 110' (=6*13+2*16), matched the figure with Earls' deck lines and got 200 +/- 9 meters.

Now, the situation is not so simple - the Earls schematics show that the other decks are not equally tall, while Deck 3 is a pixel taller than Deck 4. I still equated the span of these two decks with 32 feet, and got an overall length of
179 +/- 9 meters.

Finally, I set the lowest deck heights in the Earls schematics (8 pixels) equal to 10 feet. The result is 170 +/- 10m.

It should also be noted that the bridge of a 110m Defiant gives a 148m Pathfinder, while the bridge of a 171m Defiant gives a 229m Pathfinder. Overall, however, it would seem to me that the canon 172m fits most of the other evidence.

Boris

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Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :
 
Just throwing in my two farthing's worth:

The Bridge of the Equinox may simply be shaped like the Defiant's FROM THE OUTSIDE. It looks nothing like the Defiant's layout inside.
Therefore I do not think that size comparisons based on the (disputed) dimensions of everone's favourite Escort are of any use.

Very cool pics, lest I forget the raging horn I had when I first saw them. Not.

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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
 
Rick Sternbach started out by showing his execs the Pathfinder in scale with Voyager according to the Magazine. How did he scale it that first time? Presumably by assuming that the Defiant is 560' long and scaling the bridge accordingly. After all, the pathfinder was designed with a 170m Defiant in mind. Did he keep the size afterwards? The question is worth considering.

Also, there is the whole issue with nearly identical designs of different sizes, even though we've seen a couple on the show. This doesn't seem to be the case here, as the first half of the saucer is four decks tall on both ships judging by deflector grid lines. These are some of the points that suggest an identical size for both the pathfinder and the Equinox.

Boris


 


Posted by Black Knight (Member # 134) on :
 
DAMN!!! Why didn't anybody post those before! I live for that stuff!
Thankyou!!!!

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Posted by Trip Tucker (Member # 297) on :
 
Ohmygod! I love this stuff! I knew it would only be a matter of time before this stuff showed up!
Boris, you are godsend!
 
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Ummmm, what are the little 'wings' on the back of the Equ's nacelles? The are reminiscent of the similar structures on the E-nil... what do they do? Do they aid in the Equ's case in Atmospheric entry?

Andrew

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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
 
Well, I can definately picture a four-nacelled version of the ship now... but with a thinner secondary hull. At least now I know why the dedication plaque said Noble Class.

Is there a MSD of the Equinox showing everything?

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
 
In the episodes. Which also clearly shows the Equinox to be LESS THAN half the length of Voyager, meaning less than 172 meters.

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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
 
The MSD itself doesn't indicate that, it's the Okudagram of Voyager and Equinox MSDs next to each other that seems to suggest that the Equinox is less than 1/2 the length of Voyager. We don't know that the two are to scale.

If we look at the deck heights within the actual Equinox MSD, and assume that the lowest decks are 10' apart, the overall length works out to 189 +/- 6 meters. A 150m Equinox would give us several eight-foot decks, which is possible but highly uncommon.

Furthermore, the size of the human figures in the MSD suggests a size of *at least* 202 meters, that's assuming the figures are 6 feet tall. I took the most conservative size for the figures (9 pixels) - the actual figure might go beyond 200m.

Boris

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :
 
I don't really see any things resembling warp nacelles on the 'aircraft' like vehicular appendage on the underside of the Nova Class's saucer.

I wonder how long Frank thinks it is.

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
 
160m, if you must know...

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
 
I wasn't talking about the MSD's when I said that the Equinox is less than half Voyagers length. The flyby shots in part one show it.

Actually the MSD's are a rather accurate representation of the flyby's.

I have to agree with Frank here: 160m

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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
 
Can you post any pics? I have a bunch of Frank's equinox1,2,3,4... pics on my hard drive, none of which show a good side-by-side comparison. I actually haven't looked at the VFX yet.

Boris
 


Posted by Trip Tucker (Member # 297) on :
 
This picture might help. It's the only MSD I've ever seen comparing Voyager to the Equinox. It also gives (albeit unledgible) a full schematic of the Equinox.
Hope it helps!
 
Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
 
I looked at that one earlier, and agree that it suggests a 140-150m Equinox. Question is, what does the VFX show?

Boris
 


Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
 
Does the full MSD of the Equinox exist? And the
VFX shot of the Equinox near Voyager seems to look like the Nova Class is ~170 meters.

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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
 
There might be a full MSD visible somewhere in the show, but you're not gonna be able to see too many details unless Okuda decides to publish the complete version in the Magazine or a future Encyclopedia. The only detailed portion is the one from the Magazine.

I found the following VFX image of the Equinox underneath Voyager on Graham Kennedy's website. The span of Voyager's nacelles is no more than twice the width of the Equinox's saucer. Measuring the indicated lines, I got an upper limit of 161 meters for the Eq's length. Interesting.

Boris
 


Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
 
Could anyone post a bigger pic of just the waverider? Perhaps that would settle some of the questions?

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
 
Waverider?

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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
 
That's what Rick called it in the magazine, "waverider shuttle". I assume it's because of the shape (is waverider the board with a single sail and one person standing on it?) There's no pic other than the CGI bottom view, and I'm not sure how to magnify it other than resizing the scanned picture.

Boris

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
maybe the noble class can generate a soliton wave?

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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
 
Boris: Yep, that was what I was asking for. A new scan of the underside of the Equinox, just focusing on the waverider. I�d like to see a big pic of just the shuttle�s outline on the hull.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Who wouldn't?

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
maybe the secondary deflector apparatus on the Nobel class can send out a soliton wave? and new tech on the actual wave rider shuttle allows it to slow by itsself?

Or maybe Soliton wave investigation was part of the Equinox's mission before it ended up in the DQ... thus the wave rider was a one off for that ship - too big for the shuttle bay it was stored... somehow - in the captain's yacht bay?

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
 
The Equinox is a Nova class, not a Noble class.

Here is a closeup of the Equinox Waverider/Aerowing:

You can see that the starboard 'wing' is damaged. The port wing actually extends all the way the the top of the picture.

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
Looks like a surfboard...

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
I'm gathering those grate things at the back are impulse engines. The look like The Voyager's impulse engines...

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
It has three little landing feet..

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
Here's the VentureStar, probably the inspiration..

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
*Cartman speak* "Sweet!"

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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
 
Alright, I just received my copy of Star Trek: The Magazine, and the picture is a heck of a lot clearer then this scan. Some details:

The Landing Pads: Definatly look like these are landing pads, but there is a problem. There are objects identical to these "doors" on the top of the saucer as well, right next to the aft phaser strip. This may lean to the idea that these are cargo bay doors instead.

The "Waverider": The ship appears to have a registry number attached to her backside. But the number doesn't appear to read NCC-72381. It seems as if it's only 4 digits...

Also, the wing is NOT broken on one side, they are both intact.

Also, there are 6 interesting red triangles surrounding the "secondary deflector". They all point toward the deflector. Maybe telling enemy ships "Hit me here"?

The article also says there is a "clean" (undamaged) version of the CGI Model, for when TPTB want to bring the Nova Class back

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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
 
So we then have to watch out for a floating Nova Class whenever we see a Starbase or Federation facility.

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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
 
the359: How about a scan of the waverider? Also a scan of the registry number, even if it is unreadable.

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
 
Comparing the aft ends of the waverider and the VentureStar: those "gratings" in the stern of the waverider could be external-combustion engines similar to the VentureStar aft ramp (the pronounced bronze-colored thing), optimized for atmospheric high-speed flight at widely varying external pressures.

They could of course also be the sort of impulse engines the Voyager and her type 9 shuttles seem to have, with similar "slatted" exhausts.

Between these engines could be an aft boarding ramp, or then a proper impulse engine for spaceflight.

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
 

That looks to me like a small crater. Look at the ragged edge and the color inside the circle.

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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
 
Looking at the CGI myself, the wing doesn't look messed up.

There does appear to be a registry number on the aeroshuttle, it's too small to make out though, but I believe it also says NCC-72381.

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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
 
I checked with the original photo - the wing isn't broken or anything, it's just covered with some of that black dirt. Whether or not this means it's damaged is open to question.

Boris
 


Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
 
Altair, the reason the picture makes the wing look broken is because of the color of the wing. The wing shouldn't come to a point, like you illustrated on the top side. It is identical to the "broken" side, but, because of the scan, the colors aren't able to be seperated.

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
 
Hhmmm.. Yes, I can see what you mean.

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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
 
For a better scan, check out this pic send to me by The359: http://w1.314.telia.com/~u31412332/new/shuttle.htm

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
 
That really cleared things up about the wings, thanks!

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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
 
The wording on your page is identical to that of my .ricksternbach post starting with "an Aerowing". I know I have such a perfect way of saying things, but still...

My post to .ricksternbach:

The Equinox does have an Aerowing-style shuttle of its own, quote "a hypersonic 'waverider' shuttle, a highly fuel-efficient vehicle at Mach 5 and above".

The description on your page:

The Nova-class has an Aerowing-style shuttle of its own, quote "a hypersonic 'waverider' shuttle, a highly fuel-efficient vehicle at Mach 5 and above".

Boris

 


Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
 
Boris: Yeah, from the word quote, I used your exact words, the other was a bit modified. I can�t get the magazine itself, you see. Thus I have no idea what the article says. I figured the wording was from the magazine, and not original words from you. So I was a bit lazy, but, hey, I have rephrased it now. Sorry...
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Posted by The Vorlon (Member # 52) on :
 
So, it's scans ye want, eh? So be it then...

4-view Schematics = 1605x1752
http://trekelite.virtualave.net/Equinox_1.gif

4-view CGI Renders = 1300x2010
http://trekelite.virtualave.net/Equinox_2.jpg

Take that. =P

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Posted by Trip Tucker (Member # 297) on :
 
Thanks for making them bigger Vorlon, but we already had these (albeit smaller) earlier in this topic. The 4-view schematics are clear but only half of what the final product looked like on-screen (I hate when magazines don't publish accurate stuff!)
The black CGI's are excellent, because they show the final product.
For anyone whose interested, I've been working on "canon-izing" the dorsal and ventral schematics from the magazine and the model kit. I could post them soon, if anyone wants.
But, just today I found some great schematics HERE!. They are wonderfull!

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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
 
Good, these look much better than my version. Vorlon: did you increase the scale on the scanner, or did you just resize them in PSP? I gotta know this.

The top view in the schematics is by Rick Sternbach, and it's not meant to be the final version. The other views are by Tim Earls. I'm sure the Magazine or the Fact Files will go ahead and do a Technical Briefing on the Equinox, featuring proper schematics.

Boris
 


Posted by The Vorlon (Member # 52) on :
 
59650: Yes, I know that. I only posted these now because they WERE bigger and of much better quality than those earlier ones... Those ones at Bernd's site are the same schematics as mine, only the black background has been removed. I was eventually going to do that to mine as well.

Boris: I just scanned them at 300dpi, full colour. What you see is what you get, except for the CGI views, which I actually resized down by 200 pixels...

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Sheridan: "I REALLY hate it when you do that..."
Kosh: "Good."

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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
 
I would love to have a pic of the underside of the Equinox, focusing on the waverider. Unfortunately this is the best I�ve got: http://hem.passagen.se/pinasov/nova.jpg
Anyone got any better?

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