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Posted by The Vorlon (Member # 52) on :

Nice ships, eh? Too bad we still can't see the underside of the Sabre and Steamrunner...

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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :

Holy Crap! That's awesome! You can see a deflector on the Saber though...

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Posted by KXZ (Member # 119) on :

That is really good! I like it. They must have put a lot of work into it.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

359: Not really. You can see the Steamrunner's deflector, but not the Sabre's...

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Even though that is very pretty... it STILL looks fake!?! What seasons of DS9 did DM do? Who did this picture... what is it about CGI and reflected light - it just looks SO fake... I guess the more detail/time = realism? I guess it was just for the fun of it so it wasn't to be... worked on too long.

Nice though.

P.S. See Margret Clark - there is nothing too hard about commissioning new artwork for your releases... I personally wont buy any calendar but the new starships one - it looks like the only 2001 calendar with new artwork... I just bought the 2000 TNG and TOS calendars for $2 each... lucky I only paid $4 all up - cause there was NOTHING new in them AT ALL!

Andrew

P.P.S. That poster DOES look lovely though - I'd love it up in my room, we haven't had any new Trek posters for a LONG time.

Andrew

P.P.P.S. here I fixed up the gamma on the picture - and you can see a bit more detail...

enjoy:

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Posted by Curry Monster (Member # 12) on :

*drool*

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Okay, now you can see the Sabre's deflector... *L*

And I think the reason it doesn't necessarily look "real" is that it isn't supposed to. It's supposed to look like a poster.

Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

The Sabre's deflector was already visible in one scene in FC, IIRC the one where a Saber flies straight towards the Enterprise viewscreen and is destroyed. I only think it should be blue.

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

Wow... And they just did this as a tribute? Very nice... very nice, indeed.

Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Well, I'm guessing that the Sabre deflector is akin to the Sovereign and Galaxy deflectors - more gold than blue... sometimes though, we've seen the E-D deflector very blue... and the Akira's deflector looks more akin to the Excelsior deflector?

Andrew

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Glarb!

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Posted by Black Knight (Member # 134) on :

Ok, so the Sabre's deflector is like a mood ring. Blue sometimes, Red the others.
Who did FC anyway? Was it Foundation Imaging?

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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :

Oh, I thought that it stood for Insane Loose Men...LOL

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Hey! NOBODY insults ILM on my watch! Because, if you stood on my watch, it would break.

Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

Before we start breaking timepieces, let's calm down and consider the possibility that the deflector can be both gold AND blue.

Just go and watch TMP and ST2. When Scotty starts shovelin' the antimatter, the deflector dish of the Enterprise glows gold at first, and only later assumes the bright blue glare. Perhaps gold hue refers to low-power operations? The Sabre in DS9 could have minor power problems, or be moving slowly, or something...

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Posted by Curry Monster (Member # 12) on :

Timo - Nice catch.

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

Let's assume there is a dispersion within the deflector dish that lets us see the spectral components around 400nm at a perpendicular angle and more towards 600nm at a tilted angle. Oh sh*t. It should be the other way round.

Posted by Captain Richard Miloshkin on :

*jaw gapes for a few minutes*

Fascinating.

Too bad they had to spoil the beauty by putting a bloody Miranda in there... Ah well.

ILM...Illogical Lusch Mamzers (Yiddish for bastards... ) .. from hell too, I might add.

*burns effigies of their graphics designers and the Paramount executives that hired them*

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

What's everyone got against ILM?

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Posted by Captain Richard Miloshkin on :

Was it the fault of Paramount or ILM for these few little problems? (If ILM didn't do all the major battle scenes I stand corrected)...

a) They CGIed the old Excelsior class instead of the newer Excelsior variant (Lakota)
b) They didn't CGI several classes of starship (Ambassadar, New Orleans, Intrepid for instance) and overused the Miranda and Excelsior CGIs
c) NO SHIELDS are observed during any of the big battle sequences that I can recall

I'm assuming that it would've cost more to do anything different than the above...but c'mon. It wouldn't have taken THAT much more...to add so much more realism for us hardcore fans

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

ILM didn't do anything for the TV series, except the stock footage of the Enterprise-D going to warp. ILM did do most of the movies, except Insurrection and (I think) Star Trek III and V.

Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :

ILM didn't do ST-III? I thought they did.

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Posted by Captain Richard Miloshkin on :

Who are the criminal computer graphics designers that are responsible for the battle scenes for the last two seasons of DS9?

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

If I'm not mistaken, the company that this thread is named after.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

A small army of companies, actually.

Well, a handful.

Anyway, it's also possible that different Sabre's simply have different model deflectors, isn't it?

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Posted by ginsu on :

ILM did the effects for all the movies except
The Motion Picture, Final Frontier and Insurrection. One of the problems with ILM
is they are so expensive. I think this is
the reason they went with someone else for the last movie(I think Frakes said something
about getting "more bang for the buck".)
I remember reading somewhere that originaly
Berman and Co. wanted around twelve new Federation starship designs for FC, but when
Paramount saw the pricetag for what ILM was
going to charge to build all those CGI ships
they cut the number down to four real quick.
Sigh, twelve ships woulda been sweet....

ginsu

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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :

Hell yeah it would of!

Word of advice ginsu, you don't need to return at the end of the line. We have word wrapping here.

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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :

Digital Muse carried the VFX load on DS9 seasons six and seven. Before that, a company called VisionArt provided the CGI effects. These didn't seem to involve a lot of CGI models though, as the company's designers only speak about building the runabout, Defiant, and the Jem'Hadar attack ship in CGI, besides doing a number of Odo morphs. DS9 was always primarily a model show, with Image "G" providing the motion control facillities needed.

The big change took place with "Sacrifice of Angels", the episode for which Foundation Imaging and Digital Muse built the fleets together (DM did the Fed ships, while FI did the aliens). After this episode, Digital Muse became the regular CGI provider. While it is true that FI is mainly assigned to Voyager, the two companies would sometimes switch shows to ease each other's workload (DMuse built the Equinox, for instance, while FI did the fire caves in "What You Leave Behind").

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