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Posted by Cartman on :

Jello all. I was just wondering for your favorite and least favorite things about the U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701-E are. I personally love everything about the ship.

BTW, I know this aint that great of a topic, but this is the 1st topic i've started here, so keep that in mind

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

They should've put the aft torpedo-launchers at the edge of the "tail", like on the Excelsior, instead of right under the belly, in the middle.
It looks like the torpedos will crasch into the hull if they fire in a tight turn...

Aesthetically, I have nothing to say! Some angles of her are uglier than others, but all ships are like that.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Hmm. Most of the upper rear of the ship has no phaser coverage. That kind of bothers me.

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

The lower rear suffers from a lack of phasers as well.
I agree with the rear-end torpedo launcher.

The inside of the Q-torp launcher should be less exposed.

I had made my own refit of the ship about 2 weeks after the first time I saw her, it had the following changes:

- Phaser strips on the top of the nacelles on the already available strips that devide the blue into two parts.
- Phaser strips on the outer sides of the nacelles, capable of fireing downwards and sideways.
- A u-shaped phaser strip at the bottom of the ship under the aft shuttle bay.
- Two torpedo tubes at the rear end, just below the aft shuttle bay.
- Two torpedo tubes just above the saucer shuttlebay.
- An optional extra small strip in between the two shuttlebays. I decided later on that this was a little overkill.
- When the saucer seperates, the Captain's Yacht/Q-torp launcher is part of the saucer, and not a part of the engineering hull like the scetch showed.
- Also when the saucer seperates, two extra phaser strips show up on the engineering hull where the saucer is normally docked.

That about coveres it. As you may have noticed, I don't like blind spots in phaser fireing arcs.

Later on I decided on some 5 Lakota style phaser nodes:
- One on each rear end of a nacelle
- Two bottom 'mid-wing' placed, one on each side.
- One just above the lowest rear torpedo launcher.
That last one I got from Voyager (!!!).

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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :

I'd add a third impulse engine for the secondary hull if the ship is designed for saucer separations. That and more access ports like the ones on Voyager since I cannot see any.

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

That is already there, in fact there are TWO extra impulse engines. You can see them at the top of this picture I took from the other thread:

The model I have at home shows that the angle that the impusle engines make with an imaginary front-to-back horizontal line matches the main impulse engines (but mirrored).

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Er...aren't those the aft torpedo launchers?

Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

The torp launchers, and the aft tractor beam emitter below them...

But what are the big squares up there on the horizontal part of the undercut? Cargo hold doors? Are they also present in the final model?

The ship obviously should be able to separate (else why have a saucer-shaped section at all, if not for atmospheric entry?), but I can't see it fighting in two pieces. Once it's separated, the secondary hull is only so much space junk. Unless, of course, there are pop-up impulse engines hidden somewhere. Perhaps even behind those square doors under the stern?

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

HELLO!?!
I just pointed to the impulse engines on the secondary hull 2 posts ago! DON'T look at that red circle, I said this picture was taken from another thread. Inside the circle are torpedo tubes (2 innstead of the official 1) but at the very top you can clearly see 2 impulse engines, which can be seen offline (given the color on screen) in First Contact.

One more thing about the saucer seperation:
You know those black triangle thingies on the bottom (front) of the saucer? Those were taken from the original Enterprise, and on that Enterprise they were doors to the landing legs...

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

LAnding legs!?
The Enterprise-nil????
With LANDING LEGS!!???

Oh, allright. So they blow of the saucer (it can't reconnect, can it?) and park the thing somewhere?

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

Sorry about that confusion, Altair. I thought you meant the red-circled things.

If the two rectangles are indeed impulse engines, and if the separation works as shown in that Eaves picture in that earlier reply, then I guess the secondary hull of the Sovereigns *could* indeed work as a "battle section" on its own. It would be butt-ugly, but then so was the Galaxy one. I seriously hope we don't see a separation in any of the movies.

The only problem then would be the low number of phaser arrays on the secondary hull - why would they ALL be hidden between the hulls in connected flight mode, save for the single ventral strip? Isn't that even more wasteful than in the Galaxy, where only one strip (and one torp launcher) was obscured?

BTW, if I go for a hunt for pictures of the Sovereign, can I trust pictures of, say, ERTL models? Or do they have incorrect detail (like the aft torp tube/s)? It's so confusing nowadays when all sorts of preliminary sketches and study model images are published. Don't you wish they wouldn't do that?

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

And as for the black elongated triangles of the E-nil, they were never really stated to be landing legs by any "reliable" source. I personally thought they were the TOS version of transporter antennas, until Eaves put them into the Sovereign along with TNG-style transporter antennas.

Perhaps they are subspace communication antennas instead, and the Galaxy generation hid them under radiation-transparent panels for aesthetics? The Sovereign seems to give less attention to aesthetic issues. But the Constitution-refit and Excelsior generations didn't seem to have corresponding features, either.

In any case, they wouldn't make for very good landing legs on the E-nil, what with their narrow, pointed "ground ends". I think the basic idea in that theory was that the saucer would come down vertically (not edge on), come to rest on its ventral bulge, and the narrow triangles would just balance it (there would be a third leg exposed by the severing of the connecting neck). But still, I can't see the lower dome carrying the weight, either. The legs would be useless and unnecessary - the saucer should simply land as is, and partially sink to the ground / be partially crushed.

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

Actually the Constitution-refit has doors to landing legs on the saucer, THANKS TO the confusion about the possible Ent-nil saucer legs.

Anyways: back to the topic. Official or not, a saucer seperation on the Ent-E is a very cool feature.

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

Oh yes, almost forgot, the Ent-D saucer was supposed to get landing legs as well, just because then they could land savely on a planet in an emergency. But the creators of the ship (in real life) forgot about it.

The same source also said that if those landing legs were there they would have been knocked offline in Generations...

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Well, I don't like the lack of panelling detail on the E-E, oh yes its there - but its not as beautiful as the E refits, Mirandas or Galaxies. I guess that's a result of the CGI.

Andrew

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Posted by Cartman on :

OK. First of all, where has it ever been stated that those are impluse engines above the Tractor Beam, The Sketch even marks them as Torpedo Tubes. No Canon source has ever called them impulse engines.

2nd of all, according to Eaves, he just put those triangle things on the saucer just cuz they looked cool and so that people would see a connection between Old Enterprise, and New Enterprise.

3rd of all, I do think that those squares on the bottom part of the Engineering hull are just large Cargo Bay doors, nothing more, nothing less.

and lastly, I stand by the figure of 5 for the Torpedo Tube count. I do not consider that scene with the Ent-E Pheonix fly by proof of only 1 tube because I just watched the scene and it does not show much of anything, just a big black spot. You can't make out a Torpedo tube, Tractor Beam, nothing. So I stand by that the Enterprise-E has 5 Torpedo Tubes.

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

There's plenty of aft phaser coverage, both dorsal & ventral, from the the existing emplacements. Remember, phasers are not like guns; they have a much larger FOF. Maybe if I have time &/or energy, I'll draw up a graphic showing the Sovereign-class FOF...

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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :

In the TNG Movie Sketchbook, page 106, the Enterprise-E Blueprints (half top view, half bottom view), the area in question states the following:

Where the tractor beam emitter is, the line says "Photon Launcher[u]s[/u] + Tractor Emitter"

Behind that, there is no detail, but it says "~ Plating + Cargo Doors See Sketch~" By 'See Sketch', I believe they mean the one that's posted here, therefore, those large things are cargo doors, not impulse engines.

I also stand by the 2 torpedo launcher idea. On page 278-279, there is a picture of the physical model. Unfortunatly, where the torpedo launchers would be, that's where the crease would be. So, if anyone wants to rip out the pages of their book (I don't...sorry), then we can get a clear view of that area. The same picture also shows 2 launchers under the deflector dish (for whoever said they though they only saw 1)

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Posted by Tech Sergeant Chen (Member # 350) on :

Maybe the battle section uses "electroporous plates" like the DS9 TM says the Defiant uses.

The E-E looks great from most angles, but I hate the profile. Take a look at any schematic and it looks just too stretched out from the side.

Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

Perhaps the aft "shuttlebay doors" will be revealed to actually be impulse engine shutters? :P

Dunno. The ship looks fine when in one piece, but even if the separation is technically feasible, it probably won't make the audience gasp in awe. What you'll hear instead is lots of quiet snickering, and a couple of loud burps from those obnoxious guys who somehow always choose to sit just behind or in front of you.

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

*LOL*

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

Y'know what I hate about the Sovereign? The LENGTH.

Look at the side view--it's all stretched out & icky. That flat area behind the shuttlebay? Blech. Ever see the original drawings, where everything was all smooth & fluent & curved, with the impulse deck in the center & the shuttle & cargo bay doors on the sides...& there was that "point" under the aft hull undercut? I LOVE that design. Should've stuck with that one...bastards...

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Posted by Trip Tucker (Member # 297) on :

I think the thing I hate the most would have to be the engineering hull. It's TOO elongated for my tastes. Other than that, I don't have too much of a beef with the Sovereign Class.

What I love, on the other hand, are those gorgeous long nacelles. They're in my opinion, the best design feature on the ship. Other than those, Main Engineering is the best thing on the ship. It's so big and cavernous! Best room on the ship. Period

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Posted by Cartman on :

Yes, I too love the long Nacelles. Seems the Enterprise-E has alot in common with the older Enterprises. It has those Triangles from the Ent-nil. Plus, it's shuttlebay is also like that of the Ent-nil refit. It has Warp Pylons very much like the ones of the Ent-A. And the long Nacelles are like those of the Ent-nil, Ent-A, and Ent-B. 1st time I saw the Enterprise-E, I noticed mostof these points.

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Posted by Black Knight (Member # 134) on :

Yeah, the E-E has some nice 'retro' features to it. I wish I wasn't camping or I would have responded sooner. All of the points I wanted to make were made all ready.

Here's some Studio Model pics.

I've scanned so much out of my book, the pages started to fall out, so I did rip out all of the pages and put them into plastic sheets for better scanning. I'll try to see if I can get that pic for you sometime.

---Actually, I just looked at the book. That same picture is on the page I just posted. The torpedo launchers are obstructed from view by the tractor beam emitter.

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