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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Nemesis</b> <br /><small>Member # 255</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,6,14,10,28,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 14, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:28 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Hi,<BR>just for fun i activated on my StarTrek First Contact DVD the subtitles at the battle against the borg! For my surprise in the subspace chatter a for me unknown ship was mentioned.... the madison.<BR>quote "This is Commander Luxi on the Madison..."<BR>Does anyone know something about that ship? Class?<P>------------------<BR>This is how i prefer the borg... in pieces!!! -- Janeway in Dark Frontier<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Alpha Centauri</b> <br /><small>Member # 338</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,6,14,10,30,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 14, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:30 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> It's the <B>Manson</B>, and the commander is called <B>Luxby</B>. That's what is generally accepted. Unfortunately, no class is known. It isn't even listed in the Encyclopedia. BTW, the chatter also included the 'Natchez'.<P><BR>------------------<BR>Advertisement in the United Federation NewsPADD, SD 53675:<P>"Now for sale at your local dealer: Antares class vessels, as good as new! They can shapeshift! Everybody in the galaxy has one! Now for only $800!"<BR> <P><p>[This message has been edited by Alpha Centauri (edited July 14, 2000).] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Nemesis</b> <br /><small>Member # 255</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,6,14,11,10,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 14, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:10 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Are you sure?Well, i think i have to review it again.But the subtitles state it as Madison....<BR>Never mind! I think the name Manson sounds somewhat better.<P>------------------<BR>This is how i prefer the borg... in pieces!!! -- Janeway in Dark Frontier<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Aban Rune</b> <br /><small>Member # 226</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,6,14,12,19,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 14, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:19 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I still can't figure out why they would name a ship so that the first thing that comes to your mind is Charles Manson. <P>------------------<BR>"A gathering of Angels appeared above my head. They sang to me this song of hope, and this is what they said..." -Styx<P>Aban's Illustration <A HREF="http://www.thespeakeasy.com/alanfore" TARGET=_blank>www.thespeakeasy.com/alanfore<P></A> <BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>USS Vanguard</b> <br /><small>Member # 130</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,6,14,12,59,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 14, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:59 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Maybe its Marilyn Manson, so that way it would make sense...,um, it could, uh, maybe be, wait no, uh. Never mind<BR><P>------------------<BR>"I just want to set the record straight: I thought the officer was a prostitute"- Homer Simpson <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Alpha Centauri</b> <br /><small>Member # 338</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,6,14,14,15,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 14, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:15 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Undoubtely the subtitles say Madison...<P>'Madison' might be the right name anyway, most subtitlers have access to the original script. But until it is not proven that it has also been the case here, I'll stick to Manson.<BR><P>------------------<BR>Advertisement in the United Federation NewsPADD, SD 53675:<P>"Now for sale at your local dealer: Antares class vessels, as good as new! They can shapeshift! Everybody in the galaxy has one! Now for only $800!"<BR> <P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Dat</b> <br /><small>Member # 302</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,6,14,14,17,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 14, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:17 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Yes, Charles and Marilyn Manson comes to mind, but being Star Trek, it's probably named after some other Manson. Probably a Manson in our future who did a great deed to Earth or the Federation.<P>And it's not Madison despite what closed captioning would say. You clearly hear Manson. Same with Luxby.<P>I remember watching that same scene and near the end you clealy hear Lexington, but closed captioning said Lexicon. <P>Closed captioning is great, but sometimes you can't trust it.<P>------------------<BR>Teddy Roosevelt: "Speak softly and carry a big stick."<BR>Yosemite Sam: "Well, I speak loudly and I carry a bigger stick...and I use it too!" <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Spike</b> <br /><small>Member # 322</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,6,14,19,40,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 14, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:40 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> So there is a Manson, a Natchez and a Lexington in First Contact?<P>Maybe the Manson is named for Sir Patrick Manson. <A HREF="http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/3/0,5716,51863+1+50623,00.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/3/0,5716,51863+1+50623,00.html</A> <P>------------------<BR>"No matter where you go, there you are."<P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Nemesis</b> <br /><small>Member # 255</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,6,14,19,46,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 14, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:46 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I could hear Lexington very clearly ("22 dead on the Lexington"). The Captioning of the First Contact DVD said Madison, but Manson could also be possible (maybe a mistake at paramount captioning center). I never heard of the Natchez. <P>------------------<BR>This is how i prefer the borg... in pieces!!! -- Janeway in Dark Frontier<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Michael Dracon</b> <br /><small>Member # 4</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,6,15,5,23,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 15, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:23 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I believe it is the very last word in the chatter.<P>Don't hold me to that, I'm not sure.<P>------------------<BR>"I think I speak for everyone here when I say, 'Huh?'."<BR>- Buffy <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>AndrewR</b> <br /><small>Member # 44</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,6,15,7,42,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 15, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:42 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> What about Shirley Manson of Garbage!?!<P>------------------<BR>"Neil says hi by the way" - Tear In Your Hand, Tori Amos<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Fabrux</b> <br /><small>Member # 71</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,6,15,12,22,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 15, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:22 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> You think they'd name a ship after her? <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/wink.gif"><P>------------------<BR>"Huh. An intelligent guard. I never would have guessed."<BR>-Preed, <I>Titan A.E.</I><P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Alpha Centauri</b> <br /><small>Member # 338</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,6,15,12,25,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 15, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:25 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Or what about the famous Captain Manson, who saved Earth from an attack by spaceborne army ants with his USS Deathmatch NCC-278 back in 2178 ? <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"><P>About the Natchez: it is not very clearly heard, but some old thread in this forum dealt with it. There was at least agreement on the mention of this particular ship. I identified it, but it kinda sounds like 'nacho'. <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"><P>A thought: the naming of the USS Manson is most likely some sick in-joke by one of the writers, referring to Charles Manson. Or they are just Marilyn Manson/Garbage fans...<BR><P>------------------<BR>Advertisement in the United Federation NewsPADD, SD 53675:<P>"Now for sale at your local dealer: Antares class vessels, as good as new! They can shapeshift! Everybody in the galaxy has one! Now for only $800!"<BR> <P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Nemesis</b> <br /><small>Member # 255</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,6,15,12,28,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 15, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:28 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Maybe they said both!.....Just a compromise:<BR>They said Maniac Mansion!...I mean it is Lucas after all!!!<BR>Well, maybe not so a good idea. <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/wink.gif"><P>BTW how do i get the smileys?<BR>------------------<BR>This is how i prefer the borg... in pieces!!! -- Janeway in Dark Frontier<P> <A HREF="http://www.seventhworld.de.vu" TARGET=_blank>http://www.seventhworld.de.vu</A> <P>[This message has been edited by Nemesis (edited July 15, 2000).]<p>[This message has been edited by Nemesis (edited July 15, 2000).] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,6,15,14,22,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 15, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:22 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Actually, it's very likely the writers could have put it in to refer to Marilyn Manson. For one thing, it isn't heard extremely clearly, so they could have said almost anything. And, if TPTB are going to name ships after Anime movies and songs by little-known Xian rock bands, they'll do almost anything. :-)<P>------------------<BR>"I just measured him. He's about 21"."<BR>-Chris Martin, 14-Jul-2000 <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Fabrux</b> <br /><small>Member # 71</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,6,15,19,43,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 15, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:43 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Nemesis: Just take the dash out of that smiley up there.<P>------------------<BR>"Huh. An intelligent guard. I never would have guessed."<BR>-Preed, <I>Titan A.E.</I><P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Austin Powers</b> <br /><small>Member # 250</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,6,24,15,32,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 24, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:32 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I would stick to Maniac Mansion! And by the way, isn't there a U.S.S. ZacMcKracken around somewhere? ;-)<P>------------------<BR>groovy baby!<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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