Andrew
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The odds are, the yellow color is no more significant than the silvery finish of some Constitution-refit tabletop models seen in TNG, or the coppery surface of the wall-relief ships in the Observation Lounge in early TNG.
It may even be that there never was a ship registered NCC-7100. The model might be a gift from somebody aboard the Stargazer, say, Jack Crusher. And 7100 might be the vidiphone number of a special girl both Jean-Luc and Jack knew at Starbase 63. Or then young Wes Crusher, aged 2�, built the ship for his dad and used an imaginary registry number (no, I don't mean NCC-7100i!).
Timo Saloniemi
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if a strange man offers you a ride, I say take it"-Abe S.
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ALPHA CENTAURI
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Some Galoob rep once stated (on a web BBS they ran for a while) that the ship was yellow to mimic Picard's ready-room model.
Joshua
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Homer: "Done and done...D'oh!"
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"Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, and then, suddenly, it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come."
-Matt Groening
Perhaps it's made of bronze and he stole it from the Starfleet Naval museum giftshop!
And a french gendarme in a wretchedly ugly hat has hunted him for twenty years!
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Ready for the action now, Dangerboy
Ready if I'm ready for you, Dangerboy
Ready if I want it now, Dangerboy?
How dare you, dare you, Dangerboy?
How dare you, Dangerboy?
I dare you, dare you, Dangerboy...
�on Flux, "Thanatophobia"
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Sorry to bring up an old topic....
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And the MM toy is definetely no aged plastic. It was sold that way on purpose. (Whatever the purpose).
I'd say Picard just liked his model that way. We should be glad it's not lime-green or pink, shouldn't we?
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a/ It was built before the "real" Stargazer was built (although the model makers intended all along for it to be the Stargazer design, and Paramount, although the almost went with the refit constitution design, eventually changed their minds).
b/ It is partially contructed using bits from a couple of AMT movie Enterprise models. Look at the engines. They are the same, no? Therefore, it has 7100 because they just used the decal sheet from those models.
c/ You see "Ncc-7100" clearly in, what, one episode?
Honestly. You'll quite happily buy that Riker's an idiot who said a completely wrong registry number for the Yamoto, but the idea that a tiny little model represents something other than the Stargazer because a tiny little registy decal is different?
Although I always found it interesting that for the one episode where Picard sees the Stargazer, he has a refit contitution model in his ready room. Tsk. Yes, I know why it was there. Don't tell me. (I wonder, if they had gone with using the Enterprise-A model, would that refit constitution model have stayed for subsequent episodes?)
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-Bubbles
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c/ You see "Ncc-7100" clearly in, what, one episode?
In "Who Watches the Watchers?"
Frank has a good picture on his site
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"You don't tug on Superman's cape.
You don't spit into the wind.
You don't pull the mask off the ole' Lone Ranger
And you don't mess around with Jim."
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I'm thinking Picard simply bought that model at a rummage sale, or something, and didn't change the registry on it.
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My new year's resolution is the same as last year's: 1024x768.
I don't believe that's right. The way I heard it, they filmed the dialouge using "Connie" and planned to use a Connie for the Stargazer, but when they got to post production, they decided to build a new class and thus the Constellation Class was born. THEN the model was created for it and THEN the desk model started showing up in Picard's ready room.
Did I get something wrong?
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You don't spit into the wind.
You don't pull the mask off the ole' Lone Ranger
And you don't mess around with Jim."
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Read them, rate them, got money, film them
"...and I remain on the far side of crazy, I remain the mortal enemy of man, no hundred dollar cure will save me..." WoV
Yes.
The Stargazer model was in Picard's ready room from Encounter at Farpoint. The only episode it isn't there is "The Battle", because Greg Jein had nicked it as a study aid while he built the full size model. Sternbach and Okuda (I think) where the ones who had always wanted the model to be the Stargazer, but the Paramount boys probably thought it'd be cheaper to reuse the Enterprise-A model.
Of course, this indicates a worrying lack of communication between the departments. The model makers thought they were using the Constellation model for the Stargazer, and the script writers thought they were using the Constitution model. Unless there was a significant amount of time between the shooting of Geordi's scene where he says "Constitution", and the shooting of all the ready room scences (which had the Ent-A model in them). Either that, or Greg Jein built the model out of his own pocket, then turned up on the Paramount lot, saying "No, you're not using the Ent-A model. You're using this. Take it. Here's my bill".
And, again, the registry number wasn't a homage to the original Constellation nicking the Amt Enterprise's decal sheet. It was the EXACT SAME THING! They'd nicked the AMT Ent-A decal sheet. Because it saved them money. And they didn't think that anyone would notice.
Although you'd think they'd have given the Constellation the registry NCC-7100, to be consistent, wouldn't you?
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Anybody have any 'caps of it?
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Anyone have pictures of the interior of the Stargazer the bridge in particular?
-the starboard turbolift was replaced by a curving corridor
-weapons were apparently controlled from the starboard side of the bridge, not the special "booth" on the port side (IIRC, we didn't get a good look at the port side at all.)
Still, the bridge looked very much like a ST2 style Constitution bridge, and rightly so, considering how the ships would seem to come from the same era and perhaps the same manufacturer.
Timo Saloniemi
You've got to admire the creative department for going to that kind of detail before the series had really even gotten off the ground.
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You don't spit into the wind.
You don't pull the mask off the ole' Lone Ranger
And you don't mess around with Jim."
Aban's Illustration www.alanfore.com
Kinda. The STI-III bridge set was used as the battle bridge. And the Stargazer bridge. And the Ent-C bridge. And the bridge of the Miranda class ship from Crappy Aging Episode. And the bridge of the pirate ship from Gambit. And the computer core from the episode with the Nanites. And about a million other things too.
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"And Mojo was hurt and I would have kissed his little boo boo but then I realized he was a BAD monkey so I KICKED HIM IN HIS FACE!"
-Bubbles
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To know a thing well, know its limits. Only when pushed beyond its tolerances will true nature be seen.
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It Seem that they cover it up. I take a picture of it from the startrek.com promo video. here's the link:
http://www.geocities.com/wwf_4_ever_316/StargazerBridgeLeft.html
Anyone got better pictures???
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Mark
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"Why build one, when you can have two at twice the price?"
- Carl Sagan, "Contact"
Andrew
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"This is cooling, faster than I can..." Tori Amos "Cooling"
quote:
maybe that ship could be the "mysterious ship of Picard's" from his missing years between his command of the Stargazer and his command of the Enterprise-D?
Pray tell, what is this all about?
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Andrew
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"This is cooling, faster than I can..." Tori Amos "Cooling"
Just before taking command of the E-D, Picard apparently met Tasha Yar while aboard a starship. A bit earlier, he had met Geordi LaForge while traveling aboard a shuttle. But that's pretty much all we know of his mystery years.
While we have no further datapoints of what happened to Picard in that time, we know what didn't happen. He didn't spend time with Beverly Crusher (since it's something of a recurring theme in early TNG that there remains much to be said between them, and contact after the death of Jack Crusher in 2354 seems unlikely). He didn't get promoted to flag rank and then demoted (or this would have come up during, say, "Coming of Age"). He didn't serve aboard a ship that would have had children aboard (he says so much in "Encounter at Farpoint"). And he did not establish a family he'd later tragically lose ("Generations" makes it clear that he's always been a swinging single).
Another ship to command is a possibility, as is a desk job or a stint at SF Intelligence cloak-and-dagger jobs, or a long SF Xenoarchaeology expedition.
Timo Saloniemi
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"This is cooling, faster than I can..." Tori Amos "Cooling"
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"Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!"
-Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001
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"The candidate who slimed John McCain in the primaries and smeared Al Gore in the general election is now the president who pledges to elevate the nation's tone and bring civility to our discorse. Kind of like Michael Corleone brought peace to the mob by killing the heads of the other four families."
--Paul Begala, Is Our Children Learning?
Another thought: For those 9 years, Picard could have been the Starfleet version of Marko Ramius, taking out & testdriving new ships. He may have been plankowner of both Galaxy & Yamato, helping to handpick whoever would get them in the end.
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"Oh, yes, screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!"
-Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001
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"The candidate who slimed John McCain in the primaries and smeared Al Gore in the general election is now the president who pledges to elevate the nation's tone and bring civility to our discorse. Kind of like Michael Corleone brought peace to the mob by killing the heads of the other four families."
--Paul Begala, Is Our Children Learning?
He met Geordi when Geordi piloted the shuttle that Picard was on to view the Enterprise-D. Picard made a comment about the engines on the shuttle, and the next day learned that Geordi had completely rebuilt the engines the previous night to fix them. He was so impressed, he requested LaForge for the Enterprise.
As for Yar, I believe Picard mentions that he saw her in action during a resuce mission previous to Encounter at Farpoint. I'm not sure if dialogue supports this next part, but some people place this as happening after Picard took command of the Enterprise but before Encounter at Farpoint.
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-Omega 11:48am, Jan. 19th, 2001
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"The candidate who slimed John McCain in the primaries and smeared Al Gore in the general election is now the president who pledges to elevate the nation's tone and bring civility to our discorse. Kind of like Michael Corleone brought peace to the mob by killing the heads of the other four families."
--Paul Begala, Is Our Children Learning?
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"Gee, the public whipping didn't quite convey their fascist culture, I need something more straightforward. Ah, leather hats!" --Nimrod, on National Socialism fashion design.
Geordi was an aspiring holodiction writer, desperately in need of inspiration. Picard found him studying Zephram Cochrane's statue in Montana, and took him aboard the E-D to see the world.
And it was WORF who piloted the shuttle to the E-D. On the way, the shuttle malfunctionned and Worf tore off the fanbelt and threw it over his shoulder. It was so hot it melted into his shoulder and stuck there, which is where that sash thing came from.
And unlike the above people, this is MY IDEA of what happened. I have NO SUPPORTING EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER for anything I typed. I'm just telling you now.
Mark
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"Why build one, when you can have two at twice the price?"
- Carl Sagan, "Contact"
--Jonah
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"It's obvious I'm dealing with a moron..."
--Col. Edwards, ROBOTECH
Mark
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"Why build one, when you can have two at twice the price?"
- Carl Sagan, "Contact"