If you analyze the registry number of the "Curry" (the Excelsior/Constitution kitbash from DS9), you might find something surprising. The Curry's rego is NCC-45617. The two conjectural classes with the closest regos are the Rennaissance (45XXX) and the Mediterranean (43XXX). This is also within the realm of many Excelsiors having a 42XXX registry. The design doesn't really match the description of the Rennaissance class Aries in "The Icarus Factor", that of a small scout ship. However, it does match the description of the Mediterranean class Lalo, which was a Federation/Starfleet freighter. It does look like a freighter-like version of the Excelsior. This could also mean that, going by similar Excelsior-family designs and the Aries description, the Centaur could be of the Rennaissance class (according to what was seen in the episode it was in, the ship was only slightly larger than the Jem'Hadar fighter). Timo's statement about classes tending not to differ too much within 10000 regos also bears this out. But again, of course, this is just my opinion. I'm just going by screen and official source evidence here, but I would rather have Bernd's ASDB designs for those classes.
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[But I coined the name "Shelley class!" I *like* that name!] /cry
Mark
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- Carl Sagan, "Contact"
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You're a Starfleet Officer. "Weird" is part of the job.
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- Carl Sagan, "Contact"
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"Species 5618, human. Warp-capable, origin grid 325, physiology inefficient, below average cranium capacity, minimum redundant systems, limited regenerative abilities."
Ex Astris Scientia
We're actually on line at the same time for once
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Cluck cluck jibber jibber, my old man's a mushroom etc.
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And yes, I coined the name "Shelley" for the author of Frankenstein. I personally will use the name until an official name comes down the pipes. I just think it fits better.
Mark
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The name and reg number were on the hull
Do you have a picture of that?
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because Curry is a stupid name for a class
Excuse me. But I am going to have to do to you what god did to the Sodomites.
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Re: Russia in WWII
"Hey, we butchered Poles! Thats OK."
- DT.
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Cluck cluck jibber jibber, my old man's a mushroom etc.
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Ex Astris Scientia
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Excuse me. But I am going to have to do to you what god did to the Sodomites.
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Andrew
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"This is cooling, faster than I can..." Tori Amos "Cooling"
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Luke Ford: "What's it like having a dick in your ass?"
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"Baldrick, what exactly did God do to the Sodomites?"
"I don't know my lord, but it can't have been worse than what they did to each other."
The original Excelsior model was modified into the Ent-B for Generations. It also showed up in "Paradise Lost". A short time later, Greg Jein (possibly) built a new Excelsior model for "Flashback". Don't ask me why they didn't use the original. Maybe it was harder to remove the extra bits that they had originally thought.
Anyway, this Excelsior, and the CGI model, has been the version seen pretty much exclusively since then. It differers from the original in that the black parts of the warp engines now glow blue (like post-TNG Federation ships). I'm not sure what colour the blue bits on top are now.
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If you fancy a threesome at this time of night, you can't get start getting choosey about which particular three!
-Queer As Folk, UK
Sorry, where were we? �)
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A short time later, Greg Jein (possibly) built a new Excelsior model for "Flashback".
Yes, you're right. Pictures of Jein's model can be found at the IDIC page.
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Now correct me if I'm wrong but weren't the Rennaissance class, (according to TNG Tech Manual) the first starships to be fitted with asrv's like thoses on the E-D.
Actually, I thought the tech manual said that only the Hokkaido, the last class of that ship to be made, had escape pods (I know that doesn't help prove my theory, Rev, but maybe you're seeing more "greeblies" instead of pods).
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Still, Renaissance would be my favorite identity for the Centaur, too. And since there are only two components on the ship that can give us a scale - the Excelsior saucer and the Miranda wing/pod - I'd like to disregard the saucer and go with the pod. That way, the ship would better match the size of the Jem'Hadar ship she was chasing. The saucer isn't going to have any definite size-establishing features anyway, since there aren't standard docking ports or any other identifiable size indicators in an Excelsior bridge or upper saucer surface.
Timo Saloniemi
"The first ASRVs were delivered in 2337 in time to be fitted to the last Renaissance class starship, the USS Hokkaido,..."
This can mean that they were just ready to be installed when the Hokkaido was still being built, but the rest of the Renaissance class starships were already out in the field and would have to recieve them at their next refit.
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Luke Ford: "What's it like having a dick in your ass?"
Zoe: "Imagine taking your bottom lip and pulling it over the top of your head. You get used to it but it does hurt."
Timo Saloniemi
Vogon Poet: Thanks, most of those are out of date now, some I have abandoned b/c they have cut'n'paste written all over them.
Timo: I'm fairly certain that the TM quote does mean that Hokkaido was the last ship to be built because as you said, there are Renaissance class ships still in service at least as late as the 2360's or even the 2370's if the Centaur does turn out to be of this class.
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I tried clicking and copy/pasting and they both do the same thing.
I dunno. Maybe you could e-mail me the piccie [email protected]
Danka.
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However, I'd rather be interested in the number of the Fact File edition you got it from.
Could you help me with that?
Thanx.
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Austin: it was in the A-Z section of issue 203
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all that fuss and I could have just typed the bloody thing :0/
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"Those kitbashes were pretty much built and labeled at random. The VFX department put in a lot of extra time and effort into assembling those models, and they had a little fun with the names. (A few of us from the art
department even lent a hand.) Some of the ships had authentic-sounding names, but most of them had gag names. One might reasonably argue that Starfleet might have named a bunch of their ships after historic figures whose names happened to be the same as several of the Star Trek visual effects department staff members. On the other hand, some of the ships had
rather impolite names that Starfleet would (probably) not have approved on any of its ships. In any case, everyone worked so hard that I felt it would not be appropriate to attempt to impose "authentic" names or numbering, especially since there was no chance that any of it would be legible on screen."
-Mike
So it looks like the Centaur and the Curry do not, and will never have, official class designations, so my hypothesis about the Rennaissance and Mediterranean classes may be as good as anyone else's ideas. I am curious, though, as to what those impolite names were for some of the ships...
He also said that the ship drawings in the DS9TM were based on some of the models.
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Maybe the next time you contact him, you could ask if he could run the class naming idea past the guys who built the models.
Good idea, but my inference from Okuda's reply is that he's not really in contact with the former DS9 VFX crew anymore. Even if he or any of us were able to contact them, they probably wouldn't know what we were talking about, or care. These models will probably remain classless, but at least we have some registry numbers to help determine our own hypotheses as to their possible unofficial classes.
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And what's this about having registries? What registries?
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Personally my ship list is no longer going to call these ships
Um, Reverend, did you forget to finish your sentence?
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And what's this about having registries? What registries?
The registries for the Centaur and the Curry.
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My new year's resolution is the same as last year's: 1024x768.
Or, we can just discount the FF info for no other reason than that, just because there's nothing found yet to contradict it, doesn't mean there ISN'T anything to contradict it. We go on saying it must be so-and-so class because of the registry in one post, and in another saying the registry is wrong anyway.
Personally, I prefer the first option. Just to discount the registry because it shares some digits in common with the Melbourne isn't enough.
Also, I'd say the old registry of the ship pretty much proves that it's a member of a class and not a new war-built kitbash, wouldn't you?
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Luke Ford: "What's it like having a dick in your ass?"
Zoe: "Imagine taking your bottom lip and pulling it over the top of your head. You get used to it but it does hurt."
BTW, does anyone know how ships whos names were only mentioned in diologue end up in the encyclopedia with class names and registeries?
sorry about that last post, my brain fell out and tried to make a break for it so of course I had to chase it down.
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"And Mojo was hurt and I would have kissed his little boo boo but then I realized he was a BAD monkey so I KICKED HIM IN HIS FACE!"
-Bubbles
My shiplist contains four pages. The first is the ship names, the second is the class names, the third is all the known info or descriptions about the conjectural classes, and the fourth is all the ships in order of registry number. If anyone ever makes a list like page four, you'll see that Okuda does have some rhyme & reason to the ship classes and regos. Most of the time, a single ship class has four or five ships in a row (like the Apollo). That's how I got the idea in the first place of classing the kitbashes based on chronological registry. There's some other things too, but I'll not waste space in this thread for unrelated topics.
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During TNG and DS9, I (or others in my department)
occasionally made up a number of Starfleet operations status charts for use
on background computer display screens. One such chart was often seen on one
of the large screens in the Enterprise-D briefing room during the sixth and
seventh seasons. Anyway, I populated those display graphics with lists of
ships that had (mostly) been mentioned in episodes, and added registry
numbers and class designations that seemed consistent with whatever we knew
about the ship. Those charts were a source of a lot of the info in the
Encyclopedia.(For whateve it's worth, I have been doing this a lot less of late, simply
because the last few seasons of DS9 introduced so many new ships that it
became nearly impossible to keep track of them all.)
This 501-registry is interesting. The next closest registry is 595 of the Revere and according to the Starfleet TM the Revere was a Hermes-class-vessel. So maybe the Antares was a Hermes too. Then we have a
USS Antares - Hermes-class
and a
USS Hermes - Antares-class
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I am curious, though, as to what those impolite names were for some of the ships...
U.S.S. Fuck Wit
U.S.S. Bum Fluff
I.K.S. Knob'Cheese
I.K.S. Krapkakes
S'kratch'Crotch
Me'Hoering'head
(Romulan ships)
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Go Mad.
Go Evil.
Just GO.
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"Although I do not know how World War III will be fought, I do know how World War IV will be fought - with rocks and clubs." -Albert Einstein
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Luke Ford: "What's it like having a dick in your ass?"
Zoe: "Imagine taking your bottom lip and pulling it over the top of your head. You get used to it but it does hurt."
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"And Mojo was hurt and I would have kissed his little boo boo but then I realized he was a BAD monkey so I KICKED HIM IN HIS FACE!"
-Bubbles
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"Although I do not know how World War III will be fought, I do know how World War IV will be fought - with rocks and clubs." -Albert Einstein
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"A gathering of Angels appeared above my head. They sang to me this song of hope, and this is what they said..." -Styx
Aban's Illustration www.alanfore.com
It seems to coincide with a general feeling of disillusionment by Okuda - or so was implied when the Enc3 turned out to be nowhere near as good as the previous two, and that there might not be another edition. Maybe it's just the sheer volume of info. Maybe it's all these emails you keep sending him asking about the most nitpicky little things he couldn't possibly remember, that have given him the feeling "why bother?" Maybe someone should ask him how he feels about it all.
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Luke Ford: "What's it like having a dick in your ass?"
Zoe: "Imagine taking your bottom lip and pulling it over the top of your head. You get used to it but it does hurt."
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"And Mojo was hurt and I would have kissed his little boo boo but then I realized he was a BAD monkey so I KICKED HIM IN HIS FACE!"
-Bubbles
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20th century, go to sleep.
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R.E.M.
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