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Posted by [email protected] on :

I recently saw some pictures of the Starship Enterprise as she was designed for the Star Trek series that would've been produced in the late 70's if the Motion Picture had not been made. At the time the series was titled "Phase II"(according to the encyclopedia anyway!)
My problem is I can't find the web site which had the pictures. Can someone help me!?

JDW

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

I don't know the site anymore, but I've got three pictures of ST:Phase II:

Constitution study I
Constitution study II
Enterprise Interior

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Posted by Starbuck (Member # 153) on :

Prakesh, I'd like to see those pics...

jamesdwright, try looking on, uh... *thinks* Do a search for The IDIC Page, I think there are some pics of a model there, and there's also photos in The Art of Star Trek, and a more specialised book Phase II: The Lost Series.

I'm hoping to get hold of a rare collectible very soon - the Enterprise Flight Manual, which was the technical guide for Phase II writers!

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

The IDIC Page

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

IDIC hasn't got Phase II pics! (Right?)

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :

I seem to have missed them also....

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Posted by [email protected] on :

Thanks for replying to my question, I knew I wasn't seeing things. Now if only I could remember where I saw those pictures of the Phase II Enterprise!

JDW

Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Is this of the just recently completed model - that was supposed to look how it was going to look for phase II?

You could probably try some of the trek news sites and search through old news...

trekweb.com
section31.com

etc.

Andrew

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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

Maybe you'll find it here http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/wolf359.htm

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Posted by Starbuck (Member # 153) on :

The pics at the IDIC page are of a model completed by Brick Price, who was contracted to produce the studio model. Personally I think it was "finished" too much like the movie E - it's in a Planet Hollywood or something?

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Posted by [email protected] on :

Thanks for directing me to the IDIC web site, I found what I was looking for there,now I have a question.
Would the Phase II Enterprise have been a longer ship than the Motion Picture Enterprise?

JDW

Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :

There is no way of telling for sure since no acurate diagrams have been published to my knowledge. At a guess I'd say they were about the same, possibly the movie sauser was bigger so it probably made the E-ref the longest.

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Posted by Starbuck (Member # 153) on :

I'll try to throw together a graphic in the near future, since I have some views of the Phase II Enterprise drawn by Matt Jefferies. My guess is that it would be roughly the same size as the movie ship; maybe a little smaller in places, like its TV predecessor.

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Posted by [email protected] on :

I did notice several differences between the Phase II Enterprise and TMP Enterprise, particularly the bridge, the sensor dome on the saucer underside and the nacelles.
The nacelles of the Phase II ship appear to be longer than those on TMP ship, that's why I thought the
Phase II ship might be longer.

JDW

Posted by Starbuck (Member # 153) on :

Right now I couldn't say. Give me a little time

The torpedo launchers are in the same place, but instead of the two-tube block, the Phase II E literally has two tubes in the same location. The ship lacks a lot of the movie model's detail, but certainly the bridge detail (not the internal layout; a lot of the Phase II sets were recycled for the movie, and some of them - sickbay beds, corridors and more - have been used up until the end of TNG!), the saucer underside detail, and portions of the engineering hull (including the deflector dish detail) are different.

Photos are hard to come by but I've just won an eBay auction for a copy of the "Enterprise Flight Manual", which was the writers' technical guide. Expect some interesting posts as soon as my exams are over...

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Posted by kirkisfat on :

A while ago, I was going to make a PII Enterprise but so far it has not got off the drawing board.

As far as I can tell, the P II ship would have quite a bit smaller than the refit; The saucer is smaller - it would fit inside the last but one deflector grid from the refit the upper hull's curve is almost the same as the refit but the lower is more like the original E, the conecting dorsal between the 2nd and primary hull is longer and wider (the addition is the blue curved bit at the top of the Refit dorsal).
The secondary hull is shorter at the shuttle bay area(about an inch if you were looking at the ERTL kit), the warp struts arent as tall because the connecting dorsal on the refit is longer (see above) and the warp engines are about 15% smaller including length.

Phew!

Mike

Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :

Have I missed something?
I thought the PII ships were those two triangular ships? They don't seem to have anything in common with the TMP-Ent., so are you referring to *these* ship or some others?

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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :

Those early ships were first considered until it was decided to make a new design that more closely resembled the original design from the series.

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Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :

Regarding the Phase II Enterprise...

The model seen on the Brick Price page... http://www.wonderworksweb.com/
...doesn't appear to be a Phase II model, it looks to be a small model designed for TMP. Comparing it to the photos of the under-construction Phase II ship, the engines are simialr, but not identical, the pylons aren't notched the same way, the neck is different, and the torpedo deck, saucer size, portholes and self-illumination features are definitely the TMP version. It's possible that the built a small minitaure early on and then revised it for use in TMP. Sadly, it's difficult to tell for sure.

I find it interesting that the photos of the under-construction model features no torpedo tubes nor any indication such would be attached, which makes one wonder at what point that feature was decided upon.

The two study models that are often identified as Phase II prototypes actually predate that project. These are the two ships with the flattened triangular secondary hulls. I believe they have been identified as study models for the aborted Star Trek: Planet of Titans feature that Phillip Kaufman was supposed to helm.

One thing that is very frustrating is that many times the books we must refer to are factually incorrect. A good example is where a Jeffries Phase II sketch landed in the Original Series Star Trek Sketchbook (the drawing is even dated 77!), on in the Phase II book where sketches labeled early V'ger concepts are actually the final design of that entity (I'd know a Syd Mead sketch anywhere).

Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :

Follow the link to a page with photos of the Phase II model under construction...
http://www.users.csbsju.edu/~rsorense/modelcitizen/trekships/constitution/#c3