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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>jamesdwright@prodigy.net</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,27,22,46,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 27, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:46 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Was the starship Reliant seen in Star Trek II smaller than the Enterprise or the same length?<BR>Watching the chase scenes into the Mutara Nebula the Reliant appears to be the same length!<P>JDW<P>------------------<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>PsyLiam</b> <br /><small>Member # 73</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,27,23,14,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 27, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:14 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, since the forward "saucer" of the Reliant was almost identical to the Enterprise, it has to be shorter, although it would be the same width as the Enterprise at their widest points.<P>------------------<BR>"And Mojo was hurt and I would have kissed his little boo boo but then I realized he was a BAD monkey so I KICKED HIM IN HIS FACE!"<BR><I>-Bubbles</I> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The359</b> <br /><small>Member # 37</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,28,14,58,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 28, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:58 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Reliant is definatly smaller. It's just a little cousin of Enterprise.<P>------------------<BR>Me: "Why don't you live in Hong Kong?"<BR>Rachel Roberts: "Hong Kong? Nah. Oh, but we can live in China! Yeah, China has great Chinese food!"<P>(discussion with fellow classmate, 9/5/00)<P><A HREF="http://mustangproject.homestead.com/mainpage1.html" TARGET=_blank>Mustang Class Starship Development Project</A><P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Nim</b> <br /><small>Member # 205</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,28,18,3,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 28, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:03 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Later responsible for the inbred "cousin Soyuz". And fittingly, evolution teaches that flawed specimens are shortlived. <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"><P>------------------<BR>Here lies a toppled god,<BR>His fall was not a small one.<BR>We did but build his pedestal,<BR>A narrow and a tall one.<P>-Tleilaxu Epigram<P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Lee</b> <br /><small>Member # 393</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,29,5,24,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:24 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Unlike the real Soyuz, which is still doing nicely.<P>------------------<BR>"Businesses used to be like Christianity; if you were faithful and obedient, you could obtain bliss in the afterlife of retirement. Now it's more of a reincarnation model. If the worker learns enough in his current job, he can progress to a higher level of employment elsewhere."<P>- Dogbert <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Nim</b> <br /><small>Member # 205</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,29,11,19,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:19 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Hmm what? You mean a boat or something? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Ritten</b> <br /><small>Member # 417</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,29,11,30,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:30 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> *gasps* check out the Russian space program....<P>------------------<BR>"One's ethics are determined by what we do when no one is looking" Nugget<BR><A HREF="http://www.majinc-web.com/tokyo/" TARGET=_blank>Star Trek: Gamma Quadrant</A><BR><A HREF="http://www.majinc-web.com/legacy/" TARGET=_blank>Star Trek: Legacy</A><BR>Read them, rate them, got money, film them....<P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Fabrux</b> <br /><small>Member # 71</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,29,13,42,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:42 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Dunno if I'd call ferrying cargo and the odd astronaut or two doing nicely...<P>------------------<BR>Chickety china, the chinese chicken, you have? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Shik</b> <br /><small>Member # 343</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,29,14,43,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:43 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Or being relegated to "lifepod duty" for the ISS. Personally, I'd rather tak my chances on a module breach than step foot in a <I>Soyuz</I> capsule. Their "safety record" (if it can even be called as such) is atrocious.<P>On a related tangent, the Chinese variant, the <I>Shenzhou</I> capsules, are FAR more capable & versatile. I saw we cut the fuckin' Russians out & cozy up to the Chinese. They'll be on the moon by the end of the decade anyway.<P>------------------<BR>"You just push off....and the falling sort of happens on its own." ---Dave Titus <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Mark Nguyen</b> <br /><small>Member # 469</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,29,17,38,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:38 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Atrocious? As I recall, only two crews were killed in 1967 (Soyuz 1) and 1971 (Soyuz 11) for a total of four people, and one exploded on the pad in 1983 (but the crew escape rocket functioned just fine). Am I missing some things here? Considering the volume of Soyuz launches over the decades compared to the Shuttle, I don't think it's THAT bad. The only thing that really sucks is the construction - they're not rated to last longer than six months in space before they start to fall apart. <P>Shenzhou? It's *allegedly* much better than the Soyuz, despite looking about the same (but bigger). We won't really know until the Chinese break down and actually tell us something of what's going on over there. <BR> <A HREF="http://www.friends-partners.org/~mwade/craft/shenzhou.htm" TARGET=_blank>http://www.friends-partners.org/~mwade/craft/shenzhou.htm</A> <BR> <A HREF="http://www.friends-partners.org/~mwade/project/soyuz.htm" TARGET=_blank>http://www.friends-partners.org/~mwade/project/soyuz.htm</A> <P>Mark<P>------------------<BR>"Why build one, when you can build two at twice the price?"<P>- Carl Sagan, "Contact"<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The359</b> <br /><small>Member # 37</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,29,21,24,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:24 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Don't worry, the Soyuz wont be used on the ISS for long. It's gonna be replaced by the X-37 in a couple of years. It's sort of a really shrunken down version of the X-33 VentureStar, used as an escape pod only.<P>------------------<BR>Me: "Why don't you live in Hong Kong?"<BR>Rachel Roberts: "Hong Kong? Nah. Oh, but we can live in China! Yeah, China has great Chinese food!"<P>(discussion with fellow classmate, 9/5/00)<P><A HREF="http://mustangproject.homestead.com/mainpage1.html" TARGET=_blank>Mustang Class Starship Development Project</A><P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Timo</b> <br /><small>Member # 245</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,0,30,9,36,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 30, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:36 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Now if they could bolt X-37 to the end of a Soyuz booster...<P>The ISS definitely needs some way to move personnel up and down on a regular basis, without having to send up an entire shuttle. While waiting for transporter technology to be perfected, one could do some feasibility studies on whether X-37 could do the job of Hermes, riding atop an Ariane V if not atop a Soyuz. Even that would be cheaper than using the shuttle.<P>The X-37 would of course need some sort of an expendable propulsion and maneuvering module, but that was part of the Hermes plans, too.<P>Timo Saloniemi <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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