After I get these shipshape, I plan to do a detailed view of "Federation Space".

I grabbed the galaxy picture and enemy territory borders from the website I posted earlier. However, I thought it looked better distorted into an isometric perspective view such as this. Also, using prismatic-transparent territory boundaries seems to work better.

The red line is the path of Voyager to date.

I welcome comments/assistance in getting this thing as canon as possible.

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I grabbed the shapes from this site: http://www.stdimension.de/int/Cartography/cartography.htm

Did you collaborate with him?
He has a very well-organized system of maps, and seem to have good documentation.
His main source of imagery seems to be "The Guide to the Galaxy" by von Henbest/Couper, but I cannot fine a reference for his alien territory markers.

Further in the site is a "top" view of what I call Near Federation Space - with the Federation and other prominent local empires/territories. I will be including said data in my close-up view. Is this yours?
http://flareupload.hypermart.net/files/maplocal_.jpg

Nice piece of work. I will post further work as I can.

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Mark

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- Carl Sagan, "Contact"

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"...screw logic, let's go for a theory with no evidence!" - Omega.

Irony ensues.

Free Jeff K

 

Any takers?

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The numbers on the maps themselves are still Arial, since this is a work-in-progress. I'll change them later.
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Does anyone have the following sound-files:
1. The "zoom" sound effect heard in Stellar Cartography when a map or object on screen is "rotated".
2. The sounds of the touch pads being touched.

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- Jay Sherman, The Critic.

 

Coordinates?

If so, what source?

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Interested?

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TSN:
I know. This is just my default (and unboring) version of the Stellar Cartography interface for work-in-progress. Correct labelling comes later.

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Parametric Equations

In case you can't read the equations, basically, each equation is in the form:

X = r cos t + a
Y = r sin t + b

That means the power is centered at (a,b), with a radius of r.

And feel free to round for the sake of simplicity. I have them so exact so they don't overlap if I zoom in on my graphing calculator.

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- Jay Sherman, The Critic.

 

Aaaackkk! Arrrg!

Trigonometry!

Sorry, I may be a Tekkie, but I never mastered trig functions. Can you convert these to xyz in ly?

Also, I assume that since these would each define a point in space, this is the center of the particular zone?

Eagerly await answer...

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United Federation of Planets

Centered at (-2000,-22500)
Radius of 4000

Klingon Empire

Centered at (4850.1,-24490.95)
Radius of 3133.56624

Romulan Star Empire

Centered at (3759.0525,-18362.53)
Radius of 3091.215559

Cardassian Union

Centered at (-8687.571,-21050.71)
Radius of 2842.80978

Dominion

Centered at (-28331.43,33009.745)
Radius of 5281.005803

Borg Collective

Centered at (14846.555,39855.53)
Radius of 4750

Krenim Imperium

Centered at (19807.436,25266.614)
Radius of 8205.069238

Void

Centered at (13278.829,33271.083)
Radius of 1250

Malon

Centered at (-4969.758,21003.346)
Radius of 14910.87896

Ankari

Centered at (12076.097,6632.5724)
Radius of 5000

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- Jay Sherman, The Critic.

[This message has been edited by Krenim (edited February 20, 2001).]
 

Those sizes seem to be too large to me. I was proceeding on a premise that the UFP - while not spherical - was only on the order of 100+ ly across - and the local empires/territories on the same order.

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Besides, I'm not asking you to agree with my calculations, I just wanted to see what they would look like in 3D. Having only MS Paint to work with, my maps never look anywhere as good as yours.

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- Jay Sherman, The Critic.

 

Im a trek mapper myself and do a lot of 'lingo' on the TrekRPG.Net boards.

Compare notes?

You too Krenim! I've seen your work. (If you don't mind)

(when did they kill the email link?)
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[This message has been edited by SIR SIG (edited February 20, 2001).]
 

I'm always willing to collaborate. What software do you utilize for your maps? Canon sources?

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I went hunting for the explanations behind my parametric equations, but oddly enough, I can't seem to find them. However, I've been meaning to revise the equations again, so as I'm doing it, I'll document everything so anyone who's interested can take a look. That might not be for a while, though, because college is keeping me rather busy.

By the way, does anyone know how thick the galaxy is? I'm going to need to know for the next set of revisions.

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- Jay Sherman, The Critic.

 

According to Monty Python, at least.

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My new year's resolution is the same as last year's: 1024x768.
 

I'm the person you were searching. The map you're referring to, the Map of Local Space, has been created by me about a year ago. Please don't forget to include a copyright note when using my map as a basis for your own. The real stars information I put together on my set may be "public stuff", but the positions and arrangement of all ficitious elements and borders have been thought up by me. OTOH, you can contact me if you have questions concerning the map or my cartography theories.

--Chris
 

Krenim:
See below. By the way, have you given any thought to the fact that (as Dimensionkeeper has grasped), the Federation is not a perfectly round territory (a disc in your representation)? Even with constant exploration, there would be "dents" where the UFP-explored territory encountered other empires which refused them entry. Also, not all systems within the UFP-explored volume are members - in fact, a system has to work pretty darn hard to qualify as a member (as opposed to a protectorate). This in contrast to the systems within the empires and union, which grab every system within their sphere of influence as a matter of course. Therefore, although the other territories would be a homogenous color, the UFP's exploration volume would not represent the Federation itself. In fact, there could well be non-member star empires made up of dozens of systems "engulfed" (fully-enclosed) by the UFP's sphere of exploration/influence.

TSN:
Thank you for that easy-to-grasp representation.

Anyone:
Is there a consensus regarding which (if any) map(s) are either canon [too much to hope for] or at least fan-generally-accepted? The only one I'm sure that I won't be using is Franz Josef's from the TOS Tech Manual - I don't know how he came up with his dimensions - ouji board?
I would like a consensus before beginning to plot the various borders/systems/territories.

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As for canon and fan maps... That's a nasty one. Chris/DimensionKeeper touched on a bit of this on his excellent site, so I'll paraphrase:

Canon maps tend to, for the most part, stink. The map shown in TNG's "The Chase" showed a great deal of the galaxy, with Galen wanting to take a shuttle all the way across the better part of a quadrant. There was a map in VOY's "Lifeline," but if you'll notice, when they zoomed in on Voyager, it was in the Beta Quadrant. The map in the DS9TM continues to perpetuate the myth that Earth is out on the edge of the galaxy, when its actually less than halfway out. I only use info from "canon" maps when it doesn't contradict known scientific fact and onscreen dialogue.

Fan maps tend to be a heck of a lot better, but with a lot of contradicting info, there's a lot of variety inbetween them. Some have an 8000 ly diameter Federation that goes with what was said in ST:FC, some go with a smaller Federation that meshes more with the Federation's warp capabilities. Some go with an initial distance of 70,000 ly for Voyager's trip, some go with the 75,000 ly. Other things people just have to take educated guesses at, like the size of the Dominion.

Basically, when putting together my equations the order of importance I put on info is:

1. Scientific fact.
2. Onscreen dialogue.
3. Canon maps.
4. Non-canon/Fan maps.

And its good to see you back, Chris/DimensionKeeper. I had your site on my Favorites list for quite a while, until I thought the site was dead. It's good to see it updated again. I may just re-add it to my list.

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- Jay Sherman, The Critic.

 

As for canon maps? er ar.. The basic layout from the encycopedia is a good start, added by details of real stars associated with trek stars and soon enough you get a basic layout.

Christen: While using Hipparchus data is all well an good, what about Deneb's multiple refs in TOS. At 3227 ly you need a Chi factor to warp (STMAPS) to get that kinda distance.

Most maps that trek even pays attention too would be Gliese 2 for TOS and Probably some v. 3 for later incarnations. Ie. Deneb at anywhere from 1200-1600 ly and becoming the spinward border star of the federation. Something they must have supassed now byt DS9.

As well an interesting idea came up about Deneb being in the cardassion area, since Encounter at Farpoint would have been just after/ending of the war. And thus a big exploration push behind cardassion space.

Thus, with a decent modifier to warp and some inspiration from the STMAPS then DS9 could be around 1000 ly spin/core of Sol. And the original 480 pc dia of the STMAPS for fed space could be the TNG/DS9 coreworlds and thus DS9 is just 50.3 ly beyound this or SB375 is depending on wording from the DS9 TM.

Catch ya!

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Paintshop
Corel
hell even Publisher for some stuff.

Most of the Federation would be Alpha, if you take a large fed (8000ly:canon) and Canopus as the most trailing star of the federation at around 1100 ly then the federation runs into the rommies and klingons at 1100 ly from Sol.

Obviously parts of both empires are closer. The 'standard' part of the RNZ would be around the 400 ly in 2d; closer in 3d? to explain the shows or just use a warp modifier?

Technophyle:Height of the galaxy in our area is around 1000 ly with roughly 550 below us and 450 above us.

Krenim: I think the TNG figure for explored space was around 11-12%.

I guess it all comes down to big or small federation?

Too big and you need a modify (cochrane factor) to the warp equation as a variable of matter density.

Too small and the big stars of TOS Antares, Deneb and Rigel become to far away to be colonized to be exceptable.

8000 ly is canon but in what dimensions? Even if you took a rough line from Deneb to Rigel then its app. 4200ly or about half that distance.

The more commononly canon associated maps go for a large federation aswell.

phew!

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