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Posted by Wes (Member # 212) on :

I'm not talking about technology; we all know the Ent-E is more advanced then the Ent-D. I'm talking looks.

I've heard some people say they like the Ent-D better, but I think the majority thinks the Ent-E is a vast improvement with its sleeker, darker look.

I may be wrong, but I think the Ent-E is just better looking... what�s the consensus on this forum?

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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :

Well, the Enterprise-D is organic and elegant. But I wouldn't take it to fight the Borg unless it gets a major refit. The Enterprise-E is sleek and long. But I wouldn't take the ship to explore the final frontier.

I like both designs, but I'm more partial to the Galaxy Class Enterprise since I grew up with that ship on the TV screen. I like the Soverign Class Enterprise also, but I'm sentimental.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I love the Enterprise-D, she's such a beautiful starship. A true deep-space explorer -- she is sadly missed by all who knew her.

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Posted by TheF0rce (Member # 533) on :

the galaxy class in general looks more elegant, peaceful, and majestic

the enterprise-E looks more buisnessliked, get to the point-we're here to do a dirty job
no fun allowed kinda look. but its sleek

Posted by TheF0rce (Member # 533) on :

plus both ships still can do well to represent the federation

the galaxy class represent a more innocent-peaceful era.

while the enterprise E represent a federation that just underwent several major wars in which the lives of several hundred billion citizens were lost.

Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :

Well, I grew up with the Enterprise 1701 original. I still think that looks the best - even though its powered by stone knives and bearskins.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

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while the enterprise E represent a federation that just underwent several major wars in which the lives of several hundred billion citizens were lost.

You wanna back up the "several hundred billion" number?

I disagree. Starships take YEARS to design. The Sovereign-Class was being designed probably before the Enterprise-D even left spacedock.

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Not to mention that the Galaxy class was introduced into ongoing conflict w/ the Tholians, probably not long after the Tzenkethi War, and during the Cardassian War...

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I don't think there was one "Cardassian War" -- I think that the "Cardassian Wars" is the general term given to the scattering of conflicts between the Federation and the Cardassians over a long period of time. They may not even be "true wars", but that is how they are known.

I would guess that the first "war" happened shortly after First Contact between the two powers, and that the last (prior to the Dominion War) ended shortly before Encounter at Farpoint. The first few seasons of Deep Space Nine showed an easing of tension between the Cardassians and the Federation, no doubt facilitated by the civilian government and the Klingon invasion. Then Dukat turned everybody over to the Dominion ...

Also, even the Tzenkethi War and the other border wars I don't feel are as big a conflict as the Klingon fighting or the Dominion War. Most of these wars, IMHO, were small-scale: Starfleet sent in fifty or sixty ships and fought the wars with those ships. Or something similar

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :

I like them both.

The Galaxy has an elegant luxurious look. A great ship for exploring, making first contact and ambassadorial missions. The next flagship should really be of this class, again.

The Sovereign class has a more straight to the point design. More made for effectiveness than luxury. Get in fast, do your stuff, and get to the next mission, just like the Intrepid class.

I still like to know why Stafleet went retro on the Sovereign design. If I had to put the Enterprise designs in chronological order without knowing what the order should be, I'd put the Sovereign after the Excelsior.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

I like the Galaxy but think the saucer is too big, a forward view makes it look like a 60's space-lamp. The only good view is the side view.

The Sovereign has an ugly rear view, but the rest is lovely IMO. It is sleek, yes, and looks kind of like a luxury car to me, those nice organic lines and nacelle pylons, the ribbed surface of the saucer top, and that nice chin that is the forward launcher.

And the COLOURS, the colours are nice, some black lines on the spine, the beautiful Excelsior-rifled nacelles and of course the deflector dish. The Galaxy deflector dish looks like brown and blue play dough. This is pure energy!

The battles with the Sona was unfair, the writers had to draw out the conflict to make it "thrilling", they could've just come about and fired five volleys at each ship and all would be well, but that doesn't seem to be the starfleet way.
Also, the aft torpedo the E-E fired was to badly lit, it should've glowed with those familiar rotating flames... Hmph!

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

Oh, and if that didn't piss someone off, I think the Galaxy is too grey and has too many windows.

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Posted by EdipisReks on :

i personally think that the galaxy class is beautiful. to me, the sovereign class just lacks beauty and aesthetic sense.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

WHAT? Too many windows? You crack-smoker!!!

Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

(Hit a nerve, eh?) Yes, waay too many.

I suppose they want to have nice window views for every passenger and every single corridor. Still, it looks like they've let loose a hive of ants on a balsa-model...
Look at the top view for fox sake, and focus solely on the windows. Rat nest...

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Posted by Wes (Member # 212) on :

Wow. People think Sleek is bad? I dont care if its space, aerodynamics looks cool. The Sovie loks like its fast as hell

Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

And that it is!

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Posted by TheF0rce (Member # 533) on :

you know i always thought the nova, intrepid designs and later whatever ships that lookes sleek and lacked a neck attatching the saucer to the secondary hull were built after starfleet discovered that warp fields tear subspace-

so they designed new warp fields and new designs to accomadate the new propulsion grids.

but then again-if most of these ships were being designed as early as after wolf 359
and some like the akira-probably already in service.
i don't know about that theory anymore.

and yes
the federation took losses at the level in the billions
cause they faced the dominion-who probably eradicated entire colonies and worlds in days.
no prisoners! victory is life!!!
sorry-i been playing as a jemahadar in an Elite Force mod.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Billions isn't the issue.

Several hundred billion is.

Posted by Daniel (Member # 453) on :

I don't know how much I'm going to insult people, but I cannot understand how the Enterprise-D looks *graceful*. The orthographic views just kill me. How could you consciously make the saucer like that? I feel the Enterprise-C is better proportioned than the D and even then not well enough.

But the E. Oooh. Have you people looked at the blueprints in the ST:TNG movies sketchbook? Ah, to die for! The lines are beautiful, the primary hull, the secondary hull, and the nacelles are perfectly balanced in length. The unique design of the primary hull underside. The deflector dish. The arrangement of windows. I could go on forever.

But I agree I wouldn't take it on an extended tour of duty. It feels like taking a Rolls on an unpaved mountain road for a two month trek in the Andes. Doesn't work. The Enterprise-D was more down to business.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

I don't understand how you can not find the -D graceful. She's so gorgeous, and beautiful, and just AMAZING!

Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

I wonder if either is a result of taste in asthetics being a personal opinion, but I could be wrong.

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

Kinda like how I could see a girl and say "Wow, she's pretty cute" meanwhile another guy near me would say "Cute? She's nasty."

But, I just have to add that the -C beats the -D and the -E hands down.

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

That explains why I've seen Omega patting his lap, saying "he's a very special little engine."

Personally, I'd go for the A above the lot of 'em. But familiarity breeds contentment, at least with Starships. Yeah, the first time I saw the Ent-D, I thought the saucer looked way too big. but it grew on me.

Thinking about it, it was probably designed like that to make the ship look "big". We (at the time at least), used the original or refit Enterprise as our "base" model. So, to make the Excelsior look "bigger", they made the aft section huge. To make the Enterprise-D look bigger, they made the saucer huge. It worked in both cases. (Actually, the Excelsior's a design I hated initially, but now the Ent-B is my second favourite Enterprise. Taste, eh?)

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

The big design flaw with the Constellation Refit IMO is the nacelle pylons. Why the hell make them thin at the base and wide at the ends??? They look like bellbottom pants!! The Sovereign got that straight.

I too like the Ambassador, but when my major gripe with that is the oversized nacelles. I used Psp to narrow one nacelle with a couple of pixels and it looked soo much better.

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Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :

*heh* Look at the sketchbook again. The blueprints for the E-E show that the pylons are wider where they attach to the nacelles than at the roots. As for that design on the E-refit, look at what's there. The plasma conduits parallel the leading edge, and the upper trailing edges have emergency purge vents.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

"The plasma conduits parallel the leading edge, and the upper trailing edges have emergency purge vents."

That has absolutely nothing to do with the reason the pylon gets wider as it extends out to the nacelle. Why did you say those things?

And no, the E-E's pylon ends are not wider than the base.

Maybe this'll help. I don't know why I bothered to do this, I know I
'm right. I guess I am bored.
http://flareupload.hypermart.net/files/comp2.jpg

Case closed.

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Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :

Now draw a line on the E-refit's pylon from the aft edge of the pylon root parallel to the conduit covers. See? It ends a bit fore of the purge vent you can see on the inboard face. Now. As for why I mentioned this, look at it froma construction standpoint. Would you rather have a straight pylon that suddenly flares back to make room for the purge vents, thus creating a more complex shape to craft hull plates for (at the angle), or would you rather just redraw the trailing edge of the pylon to make room for the vents and keep the complexity to a minimum?

Yes, I've drawn it, and the former design does look nice (and I'm planning on using it on a future ship design), but the sudden angularity doesn't fit with the smooth lines surrounding it.

As for the Sovereign pylon... This is what I get for looking at the blueprints upside down...

--Jonah

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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :

That explains why I've seen Omega patting his lap, saying "he's a very special little engine."

*WorfSpeak*

Little?

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