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Posted by P0sitr0nic on :

Im looking for any info I can find on Runabouts. Size, Internal configuration, Armament, Top speed, Ect.
If anybody has info, please post it!

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Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :

You can take a look in the DS9 TM but I doubt you have it because if you did then you would be asking this. For general specifications of the Danube class runabout then you can take a look at:
www.dtl.com

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Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :

Shouldn't that be www.ditl.org instead?

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Posted by Dan Stack (Member # 516) on :

http://www.trekrpg.net has some deckplans in its Utopia Planitia section:
http://www.trekrpg.net/trek/ship/ship24.htm

Posted by P0sitr0nic on :

Thanks!!

Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

That cockpit configuration doesn't look quite right to me. IIRC, the transportaer pads aren't behind a dorr, they're open to the forward compartment. You have to walk behind the pads to get to a door. There are also replicators on angled walls in the forward compartment.

Jake and Ezri went to some kind of midships compartment for their chat and raq'd'gino when they went looking for the Orb of the Emissary.

The lab modules look essentially correct according to the DS9:TM, but the aft compartment is also a little off as compared with "Timescape" TNG.

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :

Looks just fine to me.. After the fourth season, the Runabout interior set was reconfigured to put the transporter booth behind the aft doors - yes, there are doors back there. They're just open all the time. Instead of the booth, they put a "tactical console" where they usually control the transporters.

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :

Yeah. In fact, just yesterday I saw "Treachery, Faith and the Great River," and when Odo beams back onto the Rio Grande, he then enters through those doors onto the bridge of the runabout. I remember thinking it was unusual!

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Posted by Wes (Member # 212) on :

thats one crazy galaxy map they have on that page

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

OK. Well, I wasn't sure. It's been awhile since I've seen the new interior. I was just positive there was more up front, like the replicator on a slanty wall somewhere by the gangways.

Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :

Let's all go watch "Chimera" again. We got some good panning shots of the Runabout interior as Laas was boarding.

Correct about the aft compartment, though. There should be a couch along the aft bulkhead below the windows. I'm going to go watch "Timescape" again and guestimate some distances...

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

Good. You do that.

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Posted by Dan Stack (Member # 516) on :

About the aft compartment - I correspond with the author of the plans - he refers to his version of the aft-compartment as being de-TARDISed. In other words, he couldn't find room to fit all that was shown of the aft compartment within the dimensions of the runabout so he compromised and tried to keep the spirit of what was shown on screen.

Posted by P0sitr0nic on :

Well.. the exterior dimentions match up with the Micro Machine runabout, not sure how accurate the MM version is, but they match pretty well.
I just watched the Voyager Episode "non Sequitar", and in that runabout, there was no tactical station.. I also dont remember a tactical station or doors in front of the runabout Odo was piloting when the rogue Weyoun was with him. (cant remember Ep name)And that was a later DS9 episode.

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

The runabouts up until "Treachery" had the transporters located slightly more forward, almost on level with the side doors, in addition to not being partitioned off by that door-equipped internal bulkhead. That location of the pads would have allowed for an "antechamber" between the bridge and the module area even in this early runabout version.

The "antechamber" is necessary for a couple of reasons. One, it's where those side windows aft of the side doors must open (they don't open to the flight deck, and they are forward of the module area). Two, the wall between the flight deck and the aft parts of the ship has had two different doorway configurations: one with a two-half sliding door on the ship centerline, and one with (single-half IIRC) sliding doors to both sides. Now, the latter arrangement is impossible if the ship is supposed to have a central corridor going aft between the modules and there is no antechamber...

Placing the toilet in the antechamber, as in those blueprints, sounds like a good idea to me. It would be really inconvenient to have it in one of the detachable modules, if that module wasn't carried on every flight! And the toilet can't fit to the TARDIS-sized aft lounge, either.

Hmm. Frankly, I think the aft lounge was extended into the module area in the specific runabout flown by the TNG heroes in "Interface". That would explain the dimensions, as well as the fact that there was again this doorway problem: a sliding door on the centerline of the ship opened forward of the aft lounge, and revealed a solid wall, with a transverse corridor going port and starboard! There wouldn't be room for such a corridor unless the aft modules were appropriated for it. (Naturally, TPTB couldn't show the central corridor because they couldn't afford to build that set, so they had to put that wall in there, even if it made little sense.)

All this said, I think the blueprints under discussion show slightly too large interiors and a slightly too small exterior. Not by much, but I think one could afford a slight rescaling so that those side doors would actually open to telephone-booth-sized airlocks, and the aft lounge would be very slightly larger...

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by Dan Stack (Member # 516) on :

Timo,

Your comments regarding the location of the bunks match a dialogue I had this weekend with the author of those plans. He's been mulling over tweaking them to have the bunks occupy two of the swappable modules and having the lounge fill up the entire aft compartment.

Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Yah, "Timescape" really flubbed up the Runabout's interior due to that transverse corridor thingy. It just doesn't work out.

Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

Perhaps it wasn't a corridor, but rather another "antechamber" with a toilet to the left and a combined love tester and soft drink vending machine to the right, and a door in the middle - and we didn't recognize this sliding door for what it was because it was confusingly painted like a wall? :-P

Frankly, modularity is all fine and good, but sometimes you can be pretty sure a runabout will be used for a single mission only. In such a case, it makes sense to rip off the modules and install fixed hull parts instead. If this was the personal VIP ferry of a starbase commander (or even of Picard's), then all the modules were possibly replaced by a permanent conference hall or a pool room, or some other space that was separated from the utilitarian forward part and the comfy aft sleeping/eating space by heavy-duty walls to keep the noise safely inside.

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :

[FANBOY]
I'd love to see a combat-module that incorporated pulse phasers and dorsal torpedo launchers.[/FANBOY]

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

[fan-of-rw-militaria-boy] What I'd love to see would be some sort of a "reality-limited" arrangement: perhaps four quarter-modules, one of which housed the launching optronics and guidance and power systems, and up to three held 2-3 full-sized torps each in drop-launch racks. Or then you could install one phaser cannon in a quarter-module, but you'd have to dedicate one quarter-module to targeting and power systems again, and the heat dissipators couldn't take more than two phaser modules, or something. [/fan-of-rw-militaria-boy]

In essence, you *could* overarm a runabout, but in most cases it would be a very complex operation, and in some cases the increased mass and power drain would in fact make the ship a poorer combatant than before.

Incidentally, one wonders how O'Brien changed these modules. Apparently, they have to be loaded and offloaded from underneath the craft. What sort of derricks or repulsorlifts or Brikar laborers did O'Brien use for lifting the runabouts? Is the odd scaffolding to the left in the DS9 TM picture of runabout bay innards supposed to show a module-swapping mechanism?

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

See, they never really mentioned module swapping on the show. Methinks that was something they made up later on for the books. The closest they came to swapping anything was the little rollbar pod on the top of the crafts which also have mission specific types.

Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

Agreed. However, Rick did go to the trouble of designing the model to have those obvious "holding straps" for the ventral module(s), and obviously intended the craft to have that capability from the very start. I guess we have to group this with the cetacean navigators and Captain's Yacht of the E-D - cool things that the creators intended to be there but that were not completely proven to exist.

I wouldn't mind saying that the E-D never had a flightworthy Yacht attached because Picard opted for an energy beam generator instead (obviously because his future self from "AGT" had hinted that the ship would have to breast-feed a gigantic space jellyfish on her first mission). I *would* mind if the whales weren't there, after Geordi's comment in "Perfect Mate". And I would also mind if the runabouts didn't have module-swapping capability.

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :

There's a Transformers microbots carrier that looks awfully like a runabout from the front. Armed to the teeth it was once I butchered all my cousins toys

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Micromasters. And they sucked more than the aformentioned jelly-jelly fish on the Enterprise's virtual-breast.

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Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :

Why? Because they didn't have

LASERS COMING OUT OF THEIR BUMS AND SPRINGY MISSILE LAUNCHERS IN THEIR EARS AND MOBILE SCOUTS UNDER THEIR FINGERNAILS!?!?

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