One of the things I liked about Babylon 5 (and believe me there weren't that many) was that they had a ship named Shwartzkopf. A modern general, but from a future perspective, a historical one.
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Signatures are for losers
The day a Trek show has a USS Sean "Puffy" Combs, I quit watching... *L*
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"Even the colors are pompous!"
-a friend of mine, looking at a Lexus brochure
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"'I don't CARE who started it, I'm tired, and I WANT QUIET!!!!! Or I'm going to come up there and flatten the BOTH of you!' And he meant it. And we'd stop. Or he would." --Foreign policy as laid down by First of Two's dad
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"Even the colors are pompous!"
-a friend of mine, looking at a Lexus brochure
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Faster than light - no left or right.
And for those who don't know, "Merkwürdigliebe" means "strange-love" in German. It isn't a real name. At least, I hope it isn't. :-)
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"Even the colors are pompous!"
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"There is an intelligent lifeform out on the other side of that television too."
(Gene Roddenberry)
Ex Astris Scientia
I agree with TSN on this. But the other points made lead off to another tangent. Why are so many of the ships named after English speaking influences? The likes of the Prokofiev and the T'Kumbra may be amonst the exceptions, but the trend remains....
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-Scotty
http://www.trekmania.net
[This message has been edited by The Red Admiral (edited May 25, 2001).]
Bernd: Which word for "fuck"? I actually have some German ancestors whose last name was "Ficker", which, according to my German dictionary, would basically translate as "fucker". I'm hoping it's just a corruption of some other name, really... *L*
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As far as I know it's possible that it derives from 'Kitumba'. This was to be an old Star Trek: Phase II story. Many homages have been made to these old unused scripts, indeed the TNG episode 'Devil's Due' was a Phase II script. In Phase II Kitumba was to be some kind of legendary Klingon warlord.
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-Scotty
http://www.trekmania.net
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"Synthetic scotch, synthetic Commanders...."
-Scotty
http://www.trekmania.net
Tsiolkovsky and Prokofiev (I think...) are both composers.
Also, do not forget the USS Renaissance.
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Alex, fellow classmate, trying to explain an assignment (2/2/01)
As long as Starfleet claims it is not, unlike most earth naval fleets, solely military, I don't see anything wrong with naming ships after artists. I think anyone who appears put on currency or stamps is fair game!
(I'm referring to stamps of reputable countries, not those of countries that put Pokemon and the Little Mermaid on their stamps to make money. If you are from one of these shabby little countries, I mean no disrespect. Of course, the US puts Bugs Bunny on its stamps too.)
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Anyways, when I name ships after people who probably don't deserve to have ships named after them, I try to maintain plausible deniability. Let's say you've named a ship after Brittney Spears (USS Spears). If someone questions you on it, you should be able to deny that you named it after her; instead, you say, it was named after Sir Benjamin Throckmorton Spears, the 19th century inventor of a process for refining selenium, which allowed the invention of quantum flux communications. Your questioner nods, claiming, "oh, yes, I've heard of him."
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I haven't yet got a USS Britney Spears. But I am thinking about it........
:-)
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-Scotty
http://www.trekmania.net
I win. 24,629 names so far. Out of a needed 100,344 by the end of the year. I'm a little behind. And out of those 24,629 names, 19,425 of them are original, meaning the remaining 5204 are reuses. Not bad for 25,000 names.
"But I've used many of the established, and traditional naming methods that we're used to in Trek."
Me, too. But I'm breaking that habit. Alien names are surprisingly easy ones you get the hang of it.
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All to be found at J-Project...that is, when my server decides to stop dicking around & get fixed. Note that it's a heavy omega test. Plus I think there's some errors in the Oberths where about 1500 names got lost. Eventually I'll fix it all.
EVERYBODY, TURNIPS ARE ON ME!!!!
I have a USS Siegfried, named from the hero of the Richard Wagner opera cycle and Norse mythology. I've also used a USS Tannhauser and USS Lohengrin (two other Wagner operas).
I've named other starships the USS Eroica (Beethoven's Third Symphony, the USS Firebird and USS Petrushka (two Stravinsky ballets), the USS Appalachian Spring and USS Rodeo (both Aaron Copland ballets), and the USS Requiem (Mahler's Fourth Symphony). As you probably guess, I was a music education major my first two years in college.
Some of my ships names have literary beginnings. There's the USS Gandalf and USS Shadowfax from Tolkien's Lord of the Rings. I've also used a USS Asimov and USS Dickinson. For one creative writing assignment, I used a USS Red Fern since we had just finished Where the Red Fern Grows.
I also have the tendency to name ships after my friends. I've the USS Borgfeldt, which was named for my high school band director, and the USS Woodyard, named for the first woman I ever fell in love with.
Still other ships I named because of the influence they've had on me. I've used a USS Maritza (named for the artist of my favorite webcomic) and the USS Schulz (author of Peanuts). There's the USS Ezekiel (taken from the UH Administration Building: Ezekiel Cullen Building) and the USS Cavalier (named for my faithful car).
There's just a lot of sources out there for interesting names.
[ May 28, 2001: Message edited by: Delta Vega ]
Anyways, the only reason I have all these names is to impress people with my vast knowledge of arcane subjects
Twenty-four thousand six hundred twenty-nine!!!
As for the Anglo ship names thing... As Gene's inspiration was Royal Navy/Horatio Hornblower, the majority of ship names are Royal Navy -- moreso even than the American Navy. I've compiled a run-down for ya:
First, the Royal Navy, as most non-American ship names hail from there:
Hood
Excalibur
Exeter
Valiant
Reliant
Excelsior
Fearless
Sentinel
Thunderchild
Sutherland
Repulse
Ajax
Agamemnon
Melbourne
Sydney
Victory
Miranda
Ulysses
Leeds
Odyssey
Prometheus
Drake
Majestic
Endeavour
Wellington
Venture [also an American ship]
Pegasus [also an American ship]
Nautilus [also an American ship]
Essex [also an American ship]
Phoenix [also an American ship]
Apollo [also an American ship]
Bellerophon [also an American ship]
Jupiter [semi-canon, also an American ship]
Japanese:
Yamaguchi [I'm assuming the Trek ship is NOT named after the skater]
Akagi
Yamato
Kongo
Akira
Hiroshima
Musashi
Okinawa
Honshu
Kyushu
Hokkaido
Indian:
Gandhi
Raman
Ganges
Greek:
Andromeda
Adelphi [maybe]
Hermes
Hera
Constantinople [anglicization]
Antares
Daedalus
Aries
Ptolemy [anglicization]
Zodiac
Icarus
Native American:
Cheyenne
Ahwahnee
Crazy Horse
Lakota
Sequoia
Yosemite [anglicization]
Huron
Russian:
Zhukov
Prokofiev
Soyuz
Tolstoy
Buran
Chekov
Potemkin
Volga
Korolev
Tsiolkovsky
African:
Biko
Wambundu
Malinche
German:
Oberth
Danube [anglicization]
Arabic:
Rigel
Cairo
Al-Batani
Saladin [anglicization]
Eastern European/Near-East:
Copernicus [Latinization]
Istanbul
Budapest [anglicization]
Sarajevo
Eastern and Southeastern Asia:
Yangtzee Kiang
Mekong
Tien An Men
"Romantic" (That being, Latin and Latin-derived languages):
Arcos
La Salle
Orinoco
Rubicon
Magellan
Havana
Cortez
Pasteur
Mediterranean
Trieste
Nobel
Concorde
Zapata
Renaissance
Vulcan:
T'Kumbra
Sitak
ShirKahr [sic -- the "proper" spelling is ShiKahr]
Surak
Klingon:
Gorkon
"Other" (sorry all you Aussies and Hawaiians out there -- this category is truly just my unsorted bin):
Jenolan
Deneva
Tripoli
Hokule'a
Banting
Fleming
Destiny [lab module of ISS]
Have at...
--Jonah
The IJN Kong�, Japanese battleship
or
The 14th century African kingdom of Kongo, which ceased to exist in 1570.
I have to insist on Copernicus being German (although the Poles always claim otherwise). His name supposedly comes from "K�pernig".
BTW, Kitumba was actually supposed to be the name of the Klingon ruler who turns out to be a child (in a Phase II story).
And sorry for the offensive name of your ancestor, TSN. You don't seem to have much luck with the German meanings of your name(s).
Bad luck, indeed... *L*
But I want to bring up the actual origin of the name/word Wambundu for the class name. Does anyone know from where this derives? It does indeed sound African but I just don't know exactly where it comes from. But as an obviously non-canon speculated footnote in my listings for this class, I explained the name Wambundu away as being named after a 22nd century Federation President. In reality, I'm at a loss for the actual origin.
I know it to be pronounced with a "sh" sound rather than a sibilant "s"...
The Kongo was named after the Japanese ship.
And thanks for the other corrections.
--Jonah
American:
Decatur
Farragut
Yorktown
Lexington
Belknap
Kearsarge
Gage
Constitution
Baton Rouge
Gettysburg
Rio Grande
Shenandoah
Yukon
Roosevelt
Tecumseh
Crockett
Charleston
Valley Forge
Monitor
Merrimack
Wyoming
Saratoga
Rutherford
Rutledge
Thomas Paine
[City of] New Orleans
Niagara
Princeton
Olympia
Maryland
Springfield
Appalachia
Denver
Carolina
Ticonderoga
Truman
Baltimore
John Muir
Tombaugh [presumed named after Clyde Tombaugh]
Bonestell [presumed named after Chesley Bonestell]
Yeager [presumed named after Chuck Yeager]
Clement [presumed named after Hal Clement]
Armstrong [presumed named after Neil Armstrong]
Grissom [presumed named after Virgil "Gus" Grissom]
Shepard [presumed named after Alan Shepard]
Cochrane [presumed named after Zefram Cochrane]
Revere [presumed named after Paul Revere]
Goddard [presumed named after Robert Goddard]
With late additions to the Royal Navy section:
Aurora [also an American ship]
Agincourt
Dauntless
Discovery [also an American spacecraft]
Sovereign
Sabre
Hornet [also an American ship]
Peregrine [also an American ship]
Olympic
Vigilant [also an American ship]
Majestic
Alexandria [also an American ship]
Voyager
Columbia [also an American ship]
Livingston
Defiant
Intrepid [also an American ship]
Republic
Eagle [also an American ship]
Valkyrie
Portland [also an American ship]
Constellation [also an American ship]
Drake [presumed named after Sir Francis Drake]
Andromeda [also an American ship]
Challenger [also an American spacecraft]
Enterprise [also an American ship]
And German:
Berlin
Emden
And Greek:
Centaur
Chimera
Then these get added to my unsorted bin:
Bozeman
Hathaway
Curry
Stargazer
Horizon
Archon
Arcos
Frederickson
Vico
Federation
Entente
Freedom
Firebrand
Concorde
Galaxy
Nebula
Trinculo
Lalo
Valdemar
Horatio
Brattain
Lantree
Proxima
Renegade
Norway
Nova
Horatio
Nash
Steamrunner [not a real word � derived from "Streamrunner"]
Yorkshire
Whorfin [this one hurts...]
Billings
Helin
Liberator
Scovil
Veracruz
...being ships for which I can find no precedent with a cursory search.
--Jonah
As for the Billings and the Bozeman. Yes, I know they're towns in Montana. Point is, there's no precedent of a ship in either the US Navy or Royal Navy with the names in my 'unsorted' bin that I can find with a cursory search. I know the actual origins of all these names. You're seeing this as it gets developed. Should I put the "Aurora" in with the Greek stuff because it's a Greek word, and despite there being ships bearing that name in both the US Navy and Royal Navy?
This was very quick and dirty. It's about a week away from being 'presentable'. I just wanted to give a rapid response to the 'ethnicity of ship names' question.
--Jonah
[ May 31, 2001: Message edited by: Masao ]
Aurora: Is also a famous Russian/Soviet ship. it helped put down counterrevolutionaries. It's still in Moscow, I think.
If you know all where all these names are from, could you tell us some of the more obscure ones, like Lantree, Valdemar, Lalo, Vico, Curry, Nash, Scovil, and Arcos?
There was also a HCMS Gander, a RN Base in New Foundland from 1938 to 1957. No ship, though. http://british-forces.com/rtw/bases/na.html
[ June 01, 2001: Message edited by: Masao ]
quote:
Originally posted by Masao:
Aurora: Is also a famous Russian/Soviet ship. it helped put down counterrevolutionaries. It's still in Moscow, I think.
I've actually been round the Aurora, it's in St Petersburg. (Moscow is a long way inland, I doubt you could get a naval vessel all the way up river). The Aurora did play some part in the 1917 revolution, but I can't remember what exactly.
Definitely worth adding to a possible Russian list.
Another thing, now that I like about it...ACCENT MARKS. I've been trying of late to get them right, but if I were to go back through the 25,000 ships I have now, to look for accent marks...DAMN. This seem to be a big thing for me because it can really fuck things up.
Let's take 2 characters only found in Icelandic--� (or �) & � (or �). In an English translation, some idiot would turn them into "d" & "p," respectively becasue that what they think it looks like, thus making Bor�eyri & �ingvellir into "Bordeyri" & "Pingvellir."
But "�" is pronounced as a "th" like in "the" & "�" is "th" like in "thing," so a proper translation would be "Bortheyri" & "Thingvellir."
Or just use the correct fucking accents.
[ June 01, 2001: Message edited by: Shik ]
"Jaeger" as a Gothwegian name? Hmm. Maybe.
quote:Back in the sixies... think about it? Commie bashing/Hollywood Press-gang Black Listing was 10 years ago then. It was radical enough to have a russian Weapons Officer (more like Duty Weps, since Ens Chechov probably only held Division Officer duties when not the bridge), let along a 'woman of color' as your Comms Officer (more inclined to think she was a HoD than just a DIVO). naming ships after our real world mortal enemies... probably would have gotten ST canned much sooner...
Originally posted by Dukhat:
I notice that too, and it's also really annoying. Like in Enterprise, when another Earth Starfleet ship was named, it was always "Intrepid," or "Yorktown," or "Republic." It was like the writers didn't have a creative bone in their bodies, which of course they didn't.
quote:They did name a ship using a language other than English: The Tsiolkovsky, whose dedication plaque was in Cyrillic. If they had bothered to relabel the actual model, those would have been the characters they would have used.
hmm.... here's a thought. can you name star ships using other than english? What's french for Intrepid or Exeter? could there be multiple namings of a particular word? *casts Summon Bablefish!*
quote:Hey! Quit crapping on my Oberth! Lets be honest, naming a science and exploration vessel after a famous scientist and explorer makes more sense than naming a cruiser or transport after him.
Originally posted by Dukhat:
Well, you could argue that by the 24th century, 20th century political leaders or notable individuals are viewed in a different light than they are now. But of course, speaking in the here & now, I still haven't the foggiest idea why anyone would name a Federation starship the "U.S.S. Malinche." Not just taking into account the person herself for whom the ship is named, but the fact that there weren't any better names to be had? Starfleet must have built a million Excelsiors for one of them to have such an esoteric name.
(apparently this name was suggested by Rene Ecchevarria, which would at least explain its source, since production personnel had the annoying habit of naming ships from their own personal tastes, which was why we had ships named Billings and Bozeman...thank you very much, Mr. Braga...)
On another note, it seems that Starfleet also made some goofy decisions about starship names. For example, Zefram Cochrane, the "Father of Warp Drive," has his name attached to a measly Oberth. Wouldn't you think a man of such importance to ST history would have had a ship named after him with a little more prestige? (after all, whole planets were named after the guy...)
quote:As for obscure references go; also remember that they have four more centuries of events and personalities to draw from, so who knows what happened in that time that we don't know about. Think of all the federation presidents, the scientists, the starship captains, all the new colonial cities, the ambassadors, philosophers, star names, the famous and the infamous. Strictly speaking, by the 24th century we should have trouble understanding their English because of this, as a language naturally evolves over time and is very much influenced by the changes in culture( apparantly the UT in our tellies has a cultural filter .) With that in mind you can justify almost any name.
So tell me, Ligia, if Cortez had NOT landed in northern Mexico, do
you think it would have remained undiscovered until now?
Fact #1: somebody was bound to discover the Americas.
Fact #2: any sufficiently advanced civilization or culture will
inevitably attempt to exploit any civilization or culture not sufficiently
advanced to fight back on a level playing field.
Blaming explorers for exploring has always seemed to me really kind
of silly; do people *really* think that if Columbus hadn't landed here,
it'd be 1994 and we still wouldn't know the world was round and that
this continent was here? It doesn't matter who discovered it, the same
result would've come. Somebody had to discover it sooner or later.
jms
quote:But Tsiolkovsky is a name, not a word, and Cyrillic is an alphabet, not a language, so I don't know if it qualifies as being named in a language other than English.
Originally posted by Dukhat:
quote:They did name a ship using a language other than English: The Tsiolkovsky, whose dedication plaque was in Cyrillic. If they had bothered to relabel the actual model, those would have been the characters they would have used.
hmm.... here's a thought. can you name star ships using other than english? What's french for Intrepid or Exeter? could there be multiple namings of a particular word? *casts Summon Bablefish!*
quote:Now, my memory must be foggy, when exactly did the Klingons fight the Empire? Or did they fight the Rebels?
Originally posted by Daniel Butler:
I liked in Star Wars Starship Creator: Warp II how the Klingon BoP had it's name written in piQaD (er, piq'aD? something like that...) instead of Latin letters.
quote:Well off the top of my head there was the Mariposa, the Velikan, the Hokule'a and I suppose the Shiku Maru and the Kobayashi Maru count.
Originally posted by Daniel Butler:
quote:But Tsiolkovsky is a name, not a word, and Cyrillic is an alphabet, not a language, so I don't know if it qualifies as being named in a language other than English.
Originally posted by Dukhat:
quote:They did name a ship using a language other than English: The Tsiolkovsky, whose dedication plaque was in Cyrillic. If they had bothered to relabel the actual model, those would have been the characters they would have used.
hmm.... here's a thought. can you name star ships using other than english? What's french for Intrepid or Exeter? could there be multiple namings of a particular word? *casts Summon Bablefish!*
quote:I told you not to use chicken grease as lubricant....(shakes head)
Originally posted by Daniel Butler:
Oops. What the frak was I thinking? Leave me alone. I'm tired and smell of fried chicken products.