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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Stingray</b> <br /><small>Member # 621</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,5,28,19,2,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 28, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:02 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> A proposed solution to the Interpid/Yeager/etc. difficulties. It is established that different classes of ships are built by different<BR>shipbuilders at different shipyards. Perhaps Starfleet Command does not assign names to their ships when they order them. Imagine<BR>the process as something along these lines: Starfleet orders a certain number of a particular class of a production starship. Starfleet<BR>also attaches registries to each ship at the time of ordering to insure a distinct registry for each. The manufacturer then sets about<BR>constructing its ships and when the time comes, the ships' names are assigned by the shipyard. Thus, ships of different batches,<BR>classes, and manufacturers can have names that are the same. Much like the TPTB and what actually happened, two shipyards may<BR>have both decided to honor Charles Yeager and would have been unaware of the other's actions. The attractiveness of this theory, IMHO, is<BR>also in the explanation of the NCC code. Since NCC almost certainly stands for Naval Construction Code, it explains why the code<BR>exists in such a form. Also, something that has troubled me for a long time was to why the registry was so prominent on the hull -<BR>even more prominent than the name itself. With this theory, the only definitive non-repeated, absolutely distinctive way of<BR>distinguishing ships from one another is the registry, and not the name, making it more important in the eyes of Starfleet engineers,<BR>shipbuilders, and beuracrats (but not in the eyes of our Horatio Hornblowers).<P>This is not to say that shipnaming is totally beyond Starfleet's control. I would imagine a Starfleet officer attached to each shipyard whose responibilities included or consisted of overseeing the naming process. Also, it would not be uncommon that HQ itself would issue special directives that this ship will be named this or that; not just the Enterprise though, many others and any other ship being conceived by the ASDB (Galaxy, Prometheus, essentially any prototype etc.). And finally, this point is rather obvious and stated before, the registries can be assigned at the time of conception or ordering. Thus the Prometheus NX-5xxxx could literally have been under development for decades. If she were to go into production, the next would have something in the more recent NCC-7xxxx or NCC-8xxxx (I imagine that the first production Excelsior would have a number much higher than 2000 b/c of the time between conception and recommission after transwarp failure). <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Shik</b> <br /><small>Member # 343</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,5,28,19,24,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 28, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:24 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stingray:<BR><STRONG>The manufacturer then sets about<BR>constructing its ships and when the time comes, the ships' names are assigned by the shipyard. Thus, ships of different batches,<BR>classes, and manufacturers can have names that are the same. Much like the TPTB and what actually happened, two shipyards may<BR>have both decided to honor Charles Yeager and would have been unaware of the other's actions.</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Um....Can you think about the absurdity of that?<BR>"You're assigned to the USS <I>Tyler Durden</I>..."<BR>"The <I>Tyler Durden?!?</I> Wow! A <I>Nebula</I> on deep-space exploration assignment! Great!"<BR>"No, not THAT <I>Tyler Durden</I>, the OTHER <I>Tyler Durden</I>. Y'know, the freighter running from Boredom to Tedium & back again, with the occasional side trip to Ennui."<BR>"Oh. Damn."<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR><STRONG>The attractiveness of this theory, IMHO, is<BR>also in the explanation of the NCC code. Since NCC almost certainly stands for Naval Construction Code,</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE> What??<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR><STRONG>it explains why the code<BR>exists in such a form. Also, something that has troubled me for a long time was to why the registry was so prominent on the hull -<BR>even more prominent than the name itself. With this theory, the only definitive non-repeated, absolutely distinctive way of<BR>distinguishing ships from one another is the registry, and not the name, making it more important in the eyes of Starfleet engineers,<BR>shipbuilders, and beuracrats (but not in the eyes of our Horatio Hornblowers).</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>We've seen thast ships can be renamed easily. Renumbering, however, is probably much like switching the VIN plates in cars, although possibly slightly more legal. <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR><STRONG>I would imagine a Starfleet officer attached to each shipyard whose responibilities included or consisted of overseeing the naming process. Also, it would not be uncommon that HQ itself would issue special directives that this ship will be named this or that; not just the Enterprise though, many others and any other ship being conceived by the ASDB (Galaxy, Prometheus, essentially any prototype etc.).</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Granted. <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR><STRONG>And finally, this point is rather obvious and stated before, the registries can be assigned at the time of conception or ordering.</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE><I>Nei</I>. Sternbach-san has already stated that it's more likely a first-come, first-serve basis. <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR><STRONG>(I imagine that the first production Excelsior would have a number much higher than 2000 b/c of the time between conception and recommission after transwarp failure).</STRONG><HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Not THAT much higher; the next one is <I>Repulse</I> as NCC-2544. <I>Hathaway</I> was NCC-2593 & commissioned in 2285...& <I>Excelsior</I> was 2284, so...yeah.<p>[ June 28, 2001: Message edited by: Shik ] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Mighty Monkey of Mim</b> <br /><small>Member # 646</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,5,28,21,58,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 28, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:58 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, I don't know about all the details you're filling in with your own speculation, but I do know that we've seen several examples of ships of different classes with the same name that may have been in service simultaneously. Plus, we've also seen many examples which indicate that registry numbers are not sequential.<P>I'll have a list of examples in my next post. <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> <br /><small>Member # 30</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,5,28,23,20,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 28, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:20 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR> Since NCC almost certainly stands for Naval Construction Code <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>It almost certainly does not. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Timo</b> <br /><small>Member # 245</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,5,29,1,10,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:10 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I second Sol's absolute conviction...<P>Okuda sez he doesn't think it stands for that. FJ said he did, but he's not around any more, and what he did to the registries was travestry anyway <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> (if not for him and his influence on TMP, we would now undoubtedly have different designs of starships carrying different letter codes in their registries, just like US Navy ships do).<P>Why would anybody decide that every car registry in existence has to begin with the letters "TIAC", meaning "this is a car"? Such letters would provide no information content whatsoever, and would not help in differentiating between the cars. Instead, if New York cars all had TIAC and Maryland cars had FDGB, then there would be important information content there, even if the letter combinations themselves were meaningless. Undoubtedly, the general public would sooner or later begin claiming that TIAC stands for "this is a car", event though there would be no truth in it (like there is no truth in "SOS" meaning "Save Our Ship/Souls" or CQ meaning "Seek You" or "Come Quick").<P>We know (or at least currently seme to agree) that NCC specifies Starfleet as the operator of the vessel, whereas vessels displaying other registry letters have not been identified as Starfleet ships. Wouldn't it thus be most logical to say that "NCC" stands for "Starfleet"?<P>About those overlapping names... I think we could and should eliminate at least one overlap. "USS Yeager" of Saber class coexisting with Yeager-class vessels should not be a problem at all. The name of the Saber ship was CGI'd on the hull, so we can let that be - but the Yeager class name has never been printed out canonically. So if we want to stand by the existence of that class name (which also is noncanon), we can simply say it's spelled "Jaeger" and honors a different celebrity in the aerospace business... <img src="wink.gif" border="0"><P>Timo Saloniemi <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Vogon Poet</b> <br /><small>Member # 393</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,5,29,1,48,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:48 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Jesus<BR>Fucking<BR>Christ, what is it with people who persistently type like<BR>this when<BR>it's plainly obvious to even the most blithering of idiots<BR>that such<BR>a thing as word wrap exists? I'm sick to death of reading<BR>posts like this. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Aban Rune</b> <br /><small>Member # 226</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,5,29,5,23,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:23 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I suppose it's<BR>also possible that the Yeager<BR>Class U.S.S. Yeager was<BR>destroyed before the Saber Class U.S.S.<BR>Yeager was built.<P>I would argue that the same could be<BR>true for all of the other<BR>starships who have had<BR>the<BR>same names. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Ritten</b> <br /><small>Member # 417</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,5,29,6,10,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:10 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Could each shipyard be assigned numbers, as opposed to the class being assigned blocks the yards are.<BR>Yard 1 gets 72001-75000 & 81001-83000<BR>Yard 2 gets 75001-77000 & 83001-85000<BR>Yard 3 gets 77001-79000 & 85001-87000<BR>Yard 4 gets 79001-81000 & 87001-89000<P>Etc.. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Stingray</b> <br /><small>Member # 621</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,5,29,6,34,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:34 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>I second Sol's absolute conviction...<BR>Okuda sez he doesn't think it stands for that. FJ said he did, but he's not around any more, and what he did to the registries was travestry anyway (if not for him and his influence on TMP, we would now undoubtedly have different designs of starships carrying different letter codes in their registries, just like US Navy ships do).<BR> <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well, I hadn't realized different people said different things concerning it. I thought it was one of those "Gene said once..." like the number of Galaxies or Yorktown/E-A. Oh well, even if it shouldn't be NCC for everything, it is now and there should be some sort of explanation - are there alternate theories?<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR> Why would anybody decide that every car registry in existence has to begin with the letters "TIAC", meaning "this is a car"? Such letters would provide no information content whatsoever, and would not help in differentiating between the cars. Instead, if New York cars all had TIAC and Maryland cars had FDGB, then there would be important information content there, even if the letter combinations themselves were meaningless. Undoubtedly, the general public would sooner or later begin claiming that TIAC stands for "this is a car", event though there would be no truth in it (like there is no truth in "SOS" meaning "Save Our Ship/Souls" or CQ meaning "Seek You" or "Come Quick"). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well there has to be <I>some</I> reason somebody decided to use those letters. I was just trying to explain what I thought was the prevalent assumption.<P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR> About those overlapping names... I think we could and should eliminate at least one overlap. "USS Yeager" of Saber class coexisting with Yeager-class vessels should not be a problem at all. The name of the Saber ship was CGI'd on the hull, so we can let that be - but the Yeager class name has never been printed out canonically. So if we want to stand by the existence of that class name (which also is noncanon), we can simply say it's spelled "Jaeger" and honors a different celebrity in the aerospace business... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>That's one perhaps, but overlap still exists. In a Starfleet with thousands of ships, I don't think its implausible that there might be two Intrepids or two Majestics or whatever. <P> <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR> Jesus Fucking Christ, what is it with people who persistently type like this when it's plainly obvious to even the most blithering of idiots that such a thing as word wrap exists? I'm sick to death of reading posts like this. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE><P>I apologize deeply Vogon. It was a quick cut and paste from an old email and I assure you I carefully weighed the pros and cons of fixing it over the agrivation I would cause versus the fact I wanted to type and post and leave. I hope you can live with my decision. And as this if my first offense, I plead for the mercy of the court.<P>I think that's everything in my defense for now. More to come later, I'm sure. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Jeff Kardde</b> <br /><small>Member # 411</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,5,29,8,16,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:16 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> To the computer he did go,<BR>To Flare he did log on. <BR>To "Starships & Technology" he clicked,<BR>With only one goal in mind.<P>He began typing, ignoring "shift" and "enter",<BR>And when he was done, the wrath of hell.<BR>Vogon Poet screamed and ranted, <BR>Blew things up and killed people. <BR>All he wanted was good grammar. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Mighty Monkey of Mim</b> <br /><small>Member # 646</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,5,29,11,44,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:44 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The following are previous examples of ships names that apparently have been given to more than one vessel simultaneously. (Of course, as said, it's possible that some of these were actually cases of a vessel's destruction, followed in rapid succession by a new one's construction.) Anyway, here goes:<P>1. The Nebula-class USS Prometheus NCC-71201, seen on DS9 only a short time before the Prometheus-class prototype USS Prometheus, NX-59650 was seen on Voyager.<P>2. The Nebula-class USS Farragut NCC-60591, was seen/mentioned in ST: Generations and on DS9, but at a not-much-later date, (DS9, "Chrysalis") an Excelsior-class USS Farragut was seen.<P>3. My personal favorite. <img src="biggrin.gif" border="0"> The imfamous Melbourne predicament. In TNG "The Best of Both Worlds" we saw the wreakage of the Nebula-class USS Melbourne NCC-62043. But in DS9 "Emissary" during the battle (Wolf 359) which took place before and during "BoBW" we see an Excelsior-class USS Melbourne, with the exact same registry number!<P>4. The aforementioned thing with the Yeager. In FC we see a Sabre-class ship with that name and then in DS9 we find out about a supposedly contemporary Yeager-class, which of course would have required a prototype ship called USS Yeager.<P>NOTE: These are not the only examples, they're just the ones I can think of off the top of my head.<P>Tomorrow, children, we shall discuss the chronologicality <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> (or lack thereof) of registry numbers.<P>For homework, please consider the following: Just what is the deal with Nebbies and Excelsiors? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Mark Nguyen</b> <br /><small>Member # 469</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,5,29,13,11,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:11 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> 1. There are actually FOUR years between the sight of the Nebbie Prommie and the Prommie Prommie. That's time for the ship to be lost, and the name assigned to a new class of ship. As for the registry, the interior graphics do identify the ship as NX-74913. One of the more popular rationalizations is that the exterior was purposely given that number to confuse people - God knows, it screwed *us* up enough.<P>2. The Farragut in DS9's "Crysalis" was stock footage. It's not necessarily confirmed as the Farragut; that Excelsior could easily have been any other ship that happened to be there, and the Farragut had just left / had not arrived. Another example of this is that we never saw the ship that Sisko arrived on in "Emmisary", but you don't see people assuming it's that Galaxy-class ship hanging off the top of the sation.. <img src="wink.gif" border="0"><P>If you want a real flummox, try explaining the two USS Lexingtons!<P>3. Yup, no way around that.<P>4. Well, since neither ship had a name or registry clearly seen, it could easily be explained that the Sabre-class Yearger didn't exactly exist. <P>Mark <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The359</b> <br /><small>Member # 37</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,5,29,13,22,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:22 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The Nebula class Farragut had been destroyed in an earlier DS9 episode, therefore, even if the Excelsior is truely the Farragut, it didn't necessarily exist at the same time as the Nebula one. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Mighty Monkey of Mim</b> <br /><small>Member # 646</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2001,5,29,15,13,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 29, 2001</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:13 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I agree that there are decent explanations for most of this (Melbourne excepted <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> ) but I was just trying to be helpful to the starter of this thread, and I wanted to point out that it is POSSIBLE, if illogical, that there can be 'simultaneous names and regidtries.'<P>But, by the way, the Encyclopedia confirms that the Excelsior was indeed the Farragut. (Even though yes, it was stock footage.) <img src="smile.gif" border="0"><P>Oh, and Mark: refresh my memory, what was the deal with the Lexington(s)? <img src="confused.gif" border="0"> <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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