This image compares the new Enterprise to the TOS Enterprise and Enterprise-E, as well as the Akira class (although, to me, doesn't the Akira class seem too small?)
Before we get into an Akira-length discussion, has anyone bothered to wonder how this LCARScom webite got the length? Could they just have scaled off the turbolift or something like we did and sent in their calculation to TrekToday?
Not that I'm mad about being seven metres out or anything... 
[ July 15, 2001: Message edited by: The_Tom ]
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Originally posted by Matrix:
However I'm hoping that someone in the high ranks of Paramount will step into Braga&Brannon and say "Fans say this suck, and unorginal, change it"
The problem is that most fans don't say that. It's possible that most tech fans say that, sure, but we make up a fraction of the fan base. Look at "general" Trek sites, and notice how much less objectionable people find the Enterprise. On TrekWeb.com, for instance, the revealed show as a whole has 81% approval, and the Enterprise design specifically has 64% approval. Then, look at Bernd's Ex Astris Scientia (mostly frequented by tech fans) where the Enterprise design only gets 21% approval. It is very clear that, especially in this case, the opinions here are not shared by the majority.
I might add that they aren't shared by me, either, but I think everyone's figured that out by now. :-)
[ July 15, 2001: Message edited by: The Mighty Monkey of Mim ]
However, the Akira will probably never be seen again in any significant capacity, so it doesn't matter much.
Meanwhile, I think ~230m seems to be about right for the new ship, but that could vary. But not by much.
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Originally posted by TSN:
But the "general" fans' opinions don't count on such matters, because they don't care. If they'll accept anything given to them, why bother asking them if they like something or not?
Who's to say they'll accept anything thats given to them? I happen to agree with the "general fans" on the topic of Enterprise, but hopefully after half a decade of posting to the tech newsgroups I've shown some shred of knowing my shit. I doubt that even the general fans would accept a show that completely ignored all other Trek, but this show gives no indication of doing so. All it throws out, if anything, are the assumptions that we, the tech fans, have made over the years. Some of us take that as some sort of personal attack. I take it as their perogative to make a show that won't be cancelled. It doesn't offend me that the Enterprise isn't what I wanted. In fact: I like it... and so do most of the people who will watch the show. Those who don't can always change the channel. Even in the somewhat fanatical realm of tech fandom there's no proverbial gun to the head.
They'd have nothing to bitch about for the next 7 years. If anything, they'll be the most AVID watchers, if only to keep their invective emitters fully loaded.
Hmmmm... what if Paramount intentionally designed a series so that, in addition to attracting new fans, it upsets the fanboys so much that they'll watch it religiously just so they can complain...
Conspiracy! It's a conspiracy! Have to warn the
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My figures are official, how 'bout yours?
And your official source is...?
(Waits for the howling laughter to stop...)
Those are the official figures for all the ships portrayed in the manual. Whether they exactly match up with what's onscreen or not, those are the correct figures. Discrepancies are due to the VFX dept. not always scaling their ships correctly. I don't really care if it doesn't always match with what's on the screen because what's on the screen can always be distorted by the angle or distance to/from the camera lense. Our perception of how big things appear in the show is not always how big they actually are.
"Oh my God, I can't believe they are making a Tech Manual for DS9! I have to get this. Come on, please hurry up. Wait, it's already out?! I GOT MY COPY! Pretty pictures! Looks good. Wait. What the fuck are THOSE?! Those are some ugly ships! Wait, wait...what is up with these stats? A Saber the same size as a Norway?! An Akira that small?! DEFIANT AS 170 METERS?! Dear God NO! TAKE IT BACK! TAKE IT BACK! AHHHHHHH!!!!!!"
Ah, those were the days...
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A Saber the same size as a Norway?!
Nobody is perfect, but look what the Fact Files did:
http://flareupload.hypermart.net/files/factfiles_classes.jpg
http://frankg.dgne.com/sfsd/akiralength.html
Ouch. That's going to leave a mark...
Why can't it be the same size as the Norway?
You can't tell from screenshots. In that whole Akira thing, you don't have any clue how much closer the excelsior is to the camera compared with the Akira and the Steamrunner. It's impossible to tell, it's an optical illusion, like "objects in mirror are closer than they appear." It's best to go witht he official figures.
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Why can't it be the same size as the Norway?
Same length, same width, and same height. How likely is this?
[ July 16, 2001: Message edited by: Spike ]
Yes it was, it was in a similar location to a Miranda in SoA. There the Saber appeared to be about 190m.
"In that whole Akira thing, you don't have any clue how much closer the excelsior is to the camera compared with the Akira and the Steamrunner. It's impossible to tell, it's an optical illusion, like 'objects in mirror are closer than they appear.'"
Nope. Wrong. Incorrect.
"It's best to go witht he official figures."
You're fired. Get the hell out of my office.
Regarding the Saber vs. Norway, their different shapes invalidate the tech manual size.
Duh...
AS you so eloquently put it: DUH!!!
The point is conceded.
