Nice. Where did you get the pics?
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Never mind that, let's just whoop around for a while like a flock of Daffy Ducks.
Okay, the things look cool sitting in their bay. And the bay is nice and cozy - the first set they've actually done differently from the other Trek shows, where the bay is typically a large and mostly empty area. This bay clearly is intended to take only these two shuttles and no random alien visitors or extra Starfleet craft.
I don't see any landing gear, though. Will the props look as good when resting on uneven ground in location shots, or on the studio floor?
The decoration is familiar enough, white with red stripes and black lettering in a familiar-looking font. No yellow arrowheads anywhere, though.
No cute names, apparently. Just "Pod 1" and "Pod 2". And these seem to be lifting bodies, but are there perhaps aerodynamic surfaces in the aft part? How advanced or primitive are these things? What's the propulsion? We'd definitely need a stern view...
Goodbye to shoestring budgets. Double-convex curves all around these babies. Those "windshield" domes alone must have cost a fortune. And the bay set seems expensive as well - a real man-rated catwalk like that is more than I'm used to seeing in these plywood contraptions.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Yay!
I like them very much! Especially the 'primitive' concept of launching arms. The pods look more preTOS than the ship itself, which is a good thing. Seems like they ALMOST couldn't resist putting an arrowhead on it.
So, Earth's colours (red 'n' yellow) and font were used for the Federation Starfleet? How original..
Posted by Hunter (Member # 611) on :
Assuming that those domes are windshields, are they wide enough to seat two abrest like Archer and Tucker did in the trailer?
They seems to slope off at the end towards some sort of tail so they may have some aerodynamic surfaces there? Could they have some form of hydraulic wings? It would fit with the mid point technology thats supposed to be shown.
Posted by pIn'a' Sov (Member # 293) on :
Actually, I think that the ending of the pods are reminescent of the aft end of a standard type 9 shuttle.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Except that this time, the main doors are to the sides, so the thing between the tapering sideplates aft is likely to be something else than a doorway. Probably the whole aft end tapers, not just the sideplates. And probably there are some sort of prominent rocket engines there.
(The whole tapering structure could also be an inside-out rocket engine, like the aerospike engines currently researched. But I doubt that.)
Those launching arms probably don't work for real - they don't look sturdy enough to lift the shuttle props, nor is there likely to be space underneath the set floor for lowering the shuttles. More probably, CGI will be used for the launch sequence.
Which makes one wonder. Will the pods perhaps first be raised one level up, so that one can board them from that catwalk? That would require expensive blending of CGI and live action every time it's done. More probably, the crew will somehow climb down to the visible floor level to board the craft, and then CGI will take over.
Also, how does this set fit with the Enterprise exterior, and the supposed aft-facing bay doors? Are those in fact impulse engine exhausts or something?
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Wes1701E (Member # 212) on :
I dont think is safe to assume that theres only the two in there, whats behind/to the right of the camrea?
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
The shuttlebay wall perhaps? Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
"Open the pod bay doors please, HAL...."
Posted by pIn'a' Sov (Member # 293) on :
The_Tom: Great 'caps of the shuttlepods. I was wondering, any chance you might 'cap the model Archer is playing with as a child? I know we only see the nose, but I would still like to have that 'cap
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
I'm pleasantly surprised... just goes to show, they can't get everything wrong.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Wow. I really like that set. It's a very nice departure from the usual boring design of the other four series. We may also see some elements of a mechanic's shop in this set: tool kits, diagnostic machinery, the works. If the shuttles are dropped from the floor, then there likely isn't a hanger/storage deck. So the shuttle bay will likely have to be a blending of the two.
I like the pod designs, too. I am a little curious about the landing gear, though. Is there any? Obviously not going by those pictures, but then again the shuttles may just be rested on specialized supports. I can't wait to see the pods in action.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Well, Wes, for some reason I doubt there is anything else on the right because, as you notice, Pod 1 is on the right, and Pod 2 is on the left. Assuming they're kept in sequential order, if there was anything on the right, all we could have over there is Pod 0. And I doubt there is a Pod 0.
I don't think the ships could out the sides, I believe they are dropped out the bottom. I seem to remember that being mentioned in an interview a while back.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
Methinks Eaves has taken a train trip between London and Paris
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Or maybe Eaves come up with it on his own...gee, there's a novel idea.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Hmm... Now that I had a chance to look through the whole promo clip with the shuttles, and not just the stills, it seems to me that there IS in fact an aft door to the shuttles. It seems that a flight of stairs leads down from the upper level to the upper aft part of Pod 1, and a hatch has been opened there and is visible behind the launching arm. No stairs or hatch are visible on Pod 2.
Presumably the shuttles will have two or three doors - the upper-aft one for boarding while docked to the ship, and the side door(s) for use on planetary surfaces. Hopefully, the aft door will incorporate an airlock, unless the whole shuttle is to be evacuated whenever the crew wants to disembark to a hostile atmosphere or vacuum.
This leaves very little room for propulsion - so these shuttles may not be quite that much more realistic than later-era shuttles after all.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I, too was wondering about an airlock. If there isn't going to be any shields, I don't think they'll have a nice forcefield holding the atmosphere of the shuttlebay intact.
Oh and one other thing
Siegfried said:
quote:Wow. I really like that set. It's a very nice departure from the usual boring design of the other four series.
NOW JUST HANG ON A MINUTE!
DS9 had the most FANTASTIC sets EVER... the Promenade... Ops... ahhhh.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
And, of course, Andrew, the inference goes to the set design of shuttle bays. The shuttle bay sets of TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, and the movies have all been incredibly boring. All they have been are huge two-story garages. This set for the Enterprise shuttle bay showed a compact structure with a busy and interesting design. Not a big cubic space uninterrupted except for a control booth.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I thought the Defiant Shuttle bay was very cool. Of course we only got to see it that one time in "The Sound of Her Voice", and even then, not for very long. But the illustration in the Tech Manual looked like a great set...to me anyway.
I also rather like the runabout pads and their bays.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Ah. I forgot about the Defiant's little shuttle bay. That was a pretty neat design. Single shuttle deployment, circular design, very nice. Yeah, I did like the design of that bay a lot.
But the runabout pads, did we ever see the runabout bay? All I can remember are seeing the pads elevate to the outer hull with the runabouts powering up as the pads stopping moving.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
There was a very detailed shot of the interior of the runabout storage room when the Romulan shuttle in episode *mumble* visited the station.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
"In the Pale Moonlight"... a very well done episode...and yes we did get a nice interior shot. There are also good schematics of the runabout pads in the tech manual.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Ah. That explains it then. I do not own the DS9 Technical Manual (but I did see the Defiant shuttle bay drawing somewhere on the 'net). I also only saw the final fifteen minutes of "In The Pale Moonlight." So that's why I haven't seen the runabout pad.
Is it me or is it that the shuttle on the left of the pic looks like a Type-9 with the nacelles ripped off? Anyway, I like the catwalk above the shuttles.
