Well, unless I'm counting wrong, there are 27 ships which tallies with "18 plus 9 more on the way."
Anyone care to take a guess at what's there? We know for sure there are 2 Galaxy-class; 2 Defiant-class; 1 Sabre; 1 Prometheus. . . several Excelsiors, 1 Akira, at least 3 Mirandas I can see. . .
Posted by pIn'a' Sov (Member # 293) on :
And don�t forget the Nebula-class, I�m counting two at least, Voggie my man
What�s that ship in the upper left corner near the logo?
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
The siluette is pancake-flat, so it's probably a Defiant.
Or maybe a Cheyenne?
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
As regards the Nebula contingent, I say to you "duh," sir, "duh!" Next you'll be complaining I haven't included any Borg spheres in my count. I see at least one. 8)
The ship that looks tantalisingly interesting is the one above the sphere, to the left of the Galaxy: at first glance it looks like a New Orleans or even an Ambassador. It's a Nebula (I think) but one can dream. . .
Posted by pIn'a' Sov (Member # 293) on :
Well, since you yourself mentioned the totally unknown Galaxy-class....
What is that ship to the left of the Nebula-class you mentioned?
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
A Nebula, I think. . .
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Shit! Made a mistake. That's not a Miranda second in from the top right, it's a Prometheus. Sorry.
Posted by targetemployee (Member # 217) on :
What I find strange is the position of the ships. We have ships that are going from left to right, right to left, side to top, and side to bottom. Only two ships are firing weapons. The majority of the fleet appears to be idle.
Ugh...this is just plain terrible.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
And there are actually 28 ships because I keep forgetting to count the one firing the phaser beam. . .
Posted by pIn'a' Sov (Member # 293) on :
Great 'cap by the way, Vogon. Any more? I won�t get to see the episode until it comes out on tape... Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Not me. Some Brit. There's a new Usenet group which features SF/Fantasy-related artwork including screencaps.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Oh, yeah: here's the link to a full listing of Endgame screencaps. There's some amazing stuff in there. . . Indices too. Check out the very last image in the list! 8)
Seeing as how I was totally disappointed with Endgame, I really didn't care about doing this type of thing. But now that it's been a few months, I'm willing.
1: Defiant 2: Galaxy 3: Miranda 4: Unable --- I'm going to say that it's an Excelsior, like the one to it's left, but the phaser beam blocks it. If that's not the case, then 4 has a companion ship to it's leftas well. 5: Excelsior 6: Galaxy 7: Galaxy 8: Galaxy 9: Miranda --- Centaur 10: Defiant
The one marked Sabre is a Galaxy Class [one could wish though].
These are all old school ships [save the Defiant and Prometheus]. I would say that the majority are ships that were late in getting back to Utopia Planitia from the war-ships which were only partly completed, or those ships that are new builds, or those ships that were getting refits/repairs.
I'm surprised there are no new school ships here [the Prometheus was probably stationed at UP, and those Defiants could be the new Mars Defense Perimeter ships], Akira, Norway, Steamrunner, and Sabres are built at Utopia Planitia. What are the odds that Utopia Planitia only had old school ships partly ready [and rushed launched them] at any specific point in time?
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
Notice that they all have the same "up is to Polaris" orientation? Jezuz - talk about "two-dimensional thinking".
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Also, note the number of Galaxies in this fleet shot - up to nine of them. It's interesting to note that the production of this class has probably been significantly increased since the Days of TNG.. Prossibly as a result of the War. We can combine this with two other bits of evidence:
1) In the Utopia Planitia flashback in "Relativity", we see at least three GCS in dock, with at least one of them in the process of being built.
2) In one of the fleet shots in "Sacrifice of Angels", we see up to eight Galaxies. There's also the infamous mention of "Galaxy Wings".
It really seems that the Galaxy Class has gotten a real boost in production, despite what happened to the Enterprise, Oddysey and Yamato. Having NINE of them in one place on extremely short notice in "Endgame" is kinda odd. However, you could say that most of them were the batch under construction at Utopia Planitia at the time... Alternatively, they could be the leftover batch of "Sternbach Galaxies" that were finished on the quick for the Dominion War, that were at UP in the process of being converted back into Explorers.
Mark
[ August 09, 2001: Message edited by: Mark Nguyen ]
Posted by Ace (Member # 389) on :
I don't see the Akira...
...but, yeah, Starfleet probably has the Galaxy-Class in full production. How long do you suppose it takes to build a ship that large once its no longer in its first production run like the Enterprise-D? Also, like the Dominion War Galaxy-Class ships, the ones in this fleet have their saucer impulse drives running. I wonder why. Any thoughts?
Posted by Ace (Member # 389) on :
For those interested, you can see the Akira on the top left in this shot:
Ugh, I'm sick of watermarks. They didn't use to always be there.
Posted by TheF0rce (Member # 533) on :
quote:Originally posted by targetemployee: What I find strange is the position of the ships. We have ships that are going from left to right, right to left, side to top, and side to bottom. Only two ships are firing weapons. The majority of the fleet appears to be idle.
Ugh...this is just plain terrible.
hahaha
The rest of the ships probably didn't understand or interpreted the admirals orders differently: "use what ever force"...hehehehe
They were probably wondering what that "force" meant.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
There are some choice shots of that megahypertranstube structure. I wonder if the capturer would mind me borrowing them...
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Well, last night I re-did the image as a GIF, and re-thought some of them. How about this:
(Hope it's not too large, if so I'll change it to a link)
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Of course, now I'll have to re-do it again with Mark's contributions added, although there are one or two I'm not sure about. I still think that's a Sabre. No. 3 looks more like a Klingon ship than anything else. . .
As for the extreme tooled-upedness of this fleet, makes you think. . . Maybe after the Breen attack they've been trying to keep more capital ships near to Earth. They could be making Galaxies in the stripped-down version we hypothesized were in "Sacrifice of Angels," and then fully out fir them at their leisure. . .
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
1. Defiant 2. Possibly a Steamrunner 3. Miranda. The "thing" on the lower left of the silhouette is a star. 4. Galaxy 5. Galaxy. Compare with the Galaxy to its right, and the one on the right side of the image. 6. Steamrunner 7. Excelsior. Check with the excelsior to its right 8. Defiant
The Defiant you have listed right above #7 is a Galaxy. Also, the Akira you have listed has its sensor protrusion too far aft to be correct. I still think it's a Nebula. And the "Sabre" in the lower left is also a Galaxy. I really don't think the CGI guys kept track of what ships were where in the shots they made - they just made up some relatively simple shots on the quick. I don't think that there are an Akira or Sabre in the big pic at all.
Mark
Posted by Michael_T (Member # 144) on :
Wait, the Leeds was never made into a CGI model. It was the actual studio model used. That ship maybe the ones used in the DS9 battle sequences or the one the Prometheus blew up.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
So, all of the CGI Nebbies are called "Leeds"? Great...
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
That Nebula is the USS Bonchune NCC-70915...which was destroyed by the USS Prometheus in "Message In A Bottle". It appears they have yet to change the CGI model (although they removed all the stuff from it that said USS Honshu).
Looking at the length of the name, it appears that the name is Bonchune, and not Bogue as so many thought it really was.
Posted by Ace (Member # 389) on :
which was destroyed by the USS Prometheus in "Message In A Bottle"
We have no proof that the USS Bonchune was destroyed in that episode. It is highly possible it was merely disabled as the explosions we saw were similar to the explosions that Deep Space Nine went through from the Dominion/Cardassian attack. Anyone else agree?
Posted by HappyTarget (Member # 670) on :
IMHO #3 is the Akira class seen from head on, hence the Klingonish look. #9 is a Defiant class seen flying towards the right in a slight bank towards the camera. #10 looks like a Defiant or Saber seen from straight on... I think... Everything else thats been IDeed looks good. The stuff thats left is gonna be pretty hard unless someone find or gets a cleaner screen cap. IDing ships from screen caps is almost always like looking for a certain needle in a big pile of needles!
[ August 10, 2001: Message edited by: HappyTarget ]
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
I didn't think the Bonchune was destroyed by the Prometheus. They were only exchange phaser fire briefly. If you refer to the TNGTM, they talk about how the Type-X phaser, if properly used at warp has a ~30% chance of causing structural failure to the target vessel. I think that was what both ships were going for, since phaser is suppose to be useless at warp otherwise (ok, we know that rule's often broken).
I'd say the Bonchure would have suffered significant structural damage, but outright destroyed? Looked more like she was breaking off, and I have faith in Federation ships. They always put so much redundencies into their vessels that I think there would have been enough backup SIF generators to save the ship.
Towed back to the nearest shipyard for a extensive stay is more likely.
Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
Mmm, looking at the pics I think that there are 10-11 Galaxy's, 4 Nebula's, 1 Prometheus, 4 Excelsiors, 4 Miranda's and 3 Defiants.
Now I could be wrong. I also agree that No. 7 is an Excelsior and think that the ship firing is a Galaxy, that the Sabre and No 6 are also Galaxy's and that just to the right of the ship that is firing could possibly be a Miranda. The ship above No. 7 is a Galaxy also, not a Defiant, and the Excelsior left of No. 6 looks like a Galaxy as well.
Well that's what I see. I've not actually seen the episode yet (seeing as I'm in the UK and don't have access to Sky) . But it looks OK.
It's good that the Galaxy went into production as it is a really nice ship - don't ya think?
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
The one you have labeled as an Akira is a Nebula, I think, and the Akira is No. 2.
Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :
I think the Galaxies are just being brought back in after the war to have their interiors to be filled in for exploration. Becuase rememeber that the DS9 TM states that most of the ships were not filled in but completed to the point where they are ready for battle.
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
I dunno about trusting anything in the DS9TM...
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Here's my version:
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
Finally getting back from my vacation... It looks to me that Starfleet is also racking out Defiants, because it seems there are at least four in this picture. And I think the ship in the lower left corner is a Galaxy. A Saber has a part of the hull sticking out behind it between the two nacelles, and I can't see it on that ship.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
Speaking of 'Endgame' ships, I saw on a website that the USS Rhode Island's registry is NCC-72701. I wondered if it were true.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
Which site was this?
Posted by PopMaze (Member # 302) on :
The RI's number is 72701. I've looked at my tape over and over again and have confirmed this. Even Bernd has indicated this...or was it someone else. It might even be the famed Mojo from Foundation Imaging that came here and confirmed it.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Nope, it was Rob Bonchune who confirmed it. He also confirmed that the Nebula in Endgame was the Bonchune.
[ August 21, 2001: Message edited by: Spike ]
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
Bonchune, Bonchune! Posted by PopMaze (Member # 302) on :
Well, it had to be one of those two. I just thought it was Mojo as we've heard more from him than from Bonchune.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
It was Mojo who confirmed that the Nebula was the Bonchune. He named it after Bonchune. I believe it was Bonchune who confirmed the registry of the Rhode Island.
Speaking of which, does anybody have three-view drawings of the Rhode Island-Nova-Variant? I think there were some published in the Fact Files.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I've seen a side view of the Rhode Island around (check out Ex Astris Scientia... I think Bernd has it). But I believe that it's just an Equinox diagram that's been altered to add the bridge dome and the lost nacelle fins. Because the primary hull doesn't look much longer at all -- and that "filled in" section should have added a few meters to the length of the ship.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
It is a retouch of the fact file diagram. I know coz I did it. Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Oh, and here's what I make of the fleet.
"Galaxy 8" could be steamrunner, but I can't see any sigh of ramscoops in the sauser.
"Excelsior 4" could be a galaxy, but given the aparent height of the nacelles, its probably excelsior.
"Uncertain 1" could be yet another galaxy but its a funny angle so I can't tell what it is for sure.
"Uncertain 2" is either a defiant or a Saber, given that there doesn't appear to be any other sabers a defiant is the more likely, but again, it is too hard to tell for sure.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
I'm gonna have to disagree with you there on Excelsior 4, Rev, because at that angle, the nacelles should be LONGER then that.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
I think its an Excelsior.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
It might be a Galaxy. It looks a bit like a Sovereign, but it isn't. It's either a Galaxy or an Excelsior.
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
I think it has to be an Excelsior because of the height of the nacelles, as Reverend speculates. But the saucer looks quite large from the angle we have.
'Uncertain 1' could be a another Nebula, and 'Defiant 4' I think is possibly another Excelsior.
Posted by Jack_Crusher (Member # 696) on :
Excelsior three is definately an Ambassador class vessel.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Ha ha. Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
You're not serious, Jack...
Posted by Toadkiller (Member # 425) on :
Maybe if we all believe hard enough it will come true!
You didn't clap loud enough - Tinkerbell's DEAD!
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Uh, Jack, they haven't used the Ambassador class model since midway through TNG. They certainly didn't CGI one. Add to that fact that Excelsior 3's nacelles are way longer than an Ambassador class's.
Posted by Jack_Crusher (Member # 696) on :
I swear to god that Excelsior 3 is really an Ambassador class ship. I read somewhere on the net that Ambassador class ships were in use even during the Dominion War, so why not after it too?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Uh...because there is no Ambassador class model available to film. Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
*smacks Jack Crusher* What's wrong with you, dude? That's an Excelsior! The last time we saw an Ambassador was "Emissary." Starfleet may have used them during the war, but we never saw any!
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Not to mention that, of all the Excelsiors in that picture, #3 probably looks the least like an Ambassador...
Posted by Jack_Crusher (Member # 696) on :
I swear to god that Excelsior 3's nacelles look like those of an Ambassador, and, for the record, I could argue that the f___ing Prometheus could be an Intrepid class variant with two extra nacelles.
Posted by USS Vanguard (Member # 130) on :
I agree, they do LOOK like Ambassador nacelles from that angle. but unfortunately there is no cgi Ambassador.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Actually, lets hear what you have to say about why Prometheus is an Intrepid variant...
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
I'm 100% sure that is an Excelsior. Look in the Encyclopedia, for God's sake! As for the Prometheus, you could argue it, but it wouldn't be right. So there.
Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :
If only it were that easy to prove a case. "So there!"
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
That is in no way an Ambassador-class starship. It may look like one to Jack Crusher, but it is NOT one.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I'm actually going for it being a Galaxy. About the height of the nacelles, you're assuming they are the front of Excelsior nacelles. What about if they're the back of Galaxy nacelles, just peaking out from beneath the saucer due to the angle of the shot?
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
THAT STARSHIP IS AN EXCELSIOR CLASS VESSEL! NOT A GALAXY, AMBASSADOR, OR ANY OTHER SHIP! CAN'T YOU SEE?
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Are you guys talking about #3? If you are, then you're all delusional. How can there even be a debate about this? The thing's in PROFILE for God's sake! I thought Jack_Crusher was just joking.
LOOK at the thing for God's sake!
[ September 04, 2001: Message edited by: The Mighty Monkey of Mim ]
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Yes, that's an Excelsior. I (and Jack, I think), was talking about "Excelsior 4" on Reverend's pic.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
BTW, in this day and age of CGI ships, doesn't the Galaxy trio (1, 2 and 3) look suspiciously cut and pasted? Lazy monkeys.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
Maybe Jack can clarify for us. He's already said that "Excelsior three is definately an Ambassador class," and he's also sworn to God that it is one. Now, unless Jack doesn't know what the numbers "3" and "4" look like, I'd say he was talking about the ship Mim enlarged.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Jack obviously suffers either from number blindness, or starship design blindness. Which is more dangerous in todays fast-paced consumer society?
Posted by Fedaykin Supastar (Member # 704) on :
well my (so not professional) opinion is that is an Excelsior, i believe its being seen from a frontal angle. Well there's also some kind of raised bubble at the front of the nacelle near the bussard collectors are (if they have them on the excelsior) kinda like the ones on the Ent-B/Lakota nacelles. Of course i probably have no idea what i'm talking about as well. Or maybe *Sh ck H rr r* its a background 'actor' who also appeard in some DS9 fleet scene, and is a Excelsior/Ambassador hybrid. (i'll probly get smacked for even thinking of such herecy )
Buzz
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
*Smack*
Mark
Posted by USS Vanguard (Member # 130) on :
what exactly are you arguing about. this jack fellow hasn't even responded in at least the last 10 posts. its an excelsior, what more is there to say.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
He's either embarrassed or laughing at us for believing such a post...
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
I like spaceships. They are cool.
Posted by Fedaykin Supastar (Member # 704) on :
of course its an Excelsior, it cant be anything else. Someone already pointed out there isnt a CGI ambassador.
If anyone didnt think i was joking, it is them that should be embarassed
[ September 07, 2001: Message edited by: Fedaykin Supastar ]
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Wonderful. My beautiful analytical thread has devolved to the point where CaptainMike is channeling Fighter from 8-Bit Theater. . .
Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :
I like Lee. He's funny.
Posted by Jack_Crusher (Member # 696) on :
I was in fact definately talking about Excelsior 3, and upon further analysis, I have found that the neck between the engineering hull and the saucer is definately that of an Excelsior class, no matter how fuzzy the image is. Although I have been wrong all this time, I still do not retract my previous statements.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
Well, next time, clarify a little earlier. Also, you can tell by the deflector dish that it is an Excelsior. Look at the pic in the Encyclopedia under "Excelsior, U.S.S." and compare it.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Guard: Welcome to Corneria! Fighter: I like swords. Guard: Welcome to Corneria! Fighter: I like swords. Guard: Welcome to Corneria! Fighter: I like swords. Guard: Welcome to Corneria! Fighter: I like swords. Guard: Welcome to Corneria! Fighter: I like swords.
*chuckle* I am so addicted to this strip, silly though it may be. . .
Posted by Jack_Crusher (Member # 696) on :
I don't have a friggin' Star Trek encyclopedia.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
It's not hard to find the diagrams online.
Just look at how far the starboard nacelle sticks out behind the pylon. That proves right there that it can't be an Ambassador.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
This may not be true... I think Jack Crusher may not be as "die-hard" as us fans, so it would be easy to mistake an Excelsior for Ambassador. I guess we should cut him a little slack.
Posted by Jack_Crusher (Member # 696) on :
I am a diehard fan, but I have only been at this for about a year. I am such a big fan, that I have seen all of the TOS episodes, all of the TNG episodes at least twice, I have seen all of the episodes of Voyager seasons 4-7, I have seen all of the Trek movies at least 3 times, I can do the Vulcan live long and prosper salute on both hands, and I have even built a small matter-anti matter reactor out of legos. Hell, I even know when Star Trek comes on in 4 US cities. I just thought that friggin' Excelsior 3 was an Ambassador until I got a semi-good view of the neck section. I know what an Excelsior looks like, I HAVE seen ST 6 three + times! I even have writen fanfiction stories and posted them on Fan Fiction.net (do an author search for Trekker). I can even explain how Federation warp and impulse propulsive systems work. I JUST THOUGHT THE FRIGGIN' EXCELSIOR WAS AN AMBASSADOR! GOD!
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
"...and I have even built a small matter-anti matter reactor out of legos."
Oh. I did not realize that.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
I can't find any Lego pieces that when combined, form a suitable magnetic bottle. My antimatter keeps getting all over the blocks and destroying my city
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