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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

So Spike has made a progidous little grab again... The computer screen fromUnification shows a number of interesting things, including the registry of the ship. Now what else is there?

Inventory Entry 67385 1???93
Vessel Name = T'Pau
Vessel ID = NSP-17938
Registry??? = Vulcan ??? ??? Fleet
Arrival = Stardate ?????
?????? = Stardate ????

Data format translation ????

The part about "Vulcan ??? ??? Fleet" sounds especially interesting. Anybody have any idea of what it might actually say? Is it "National Merchant" or something else?

Oh, and thanks to Spike and his sources!

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

Got the following:

VEHICLE NAME - T'PAU
VEHICLE ID - NSP-17938
REGISTRY - VULCAN NATIONAL MERCHANT FLEET
ARRIVAL - STARDATE 41344.2
LOCATION - SECTION 18 GAMMA 12

And there's no info that the T'Pau is an Apollo class-vessel.

[ October 19, 2001: Message edited by: Spike ]

Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :

The fact that the T'Pau was Apollo-class was made up by Okuda for the Encyclopedia.

Heres something thats always bothered me. It was always said that the T'Pau was stolen from Qualor 2 and its deflector array was found in the wreck of a Ferengi shuttle. Nobody ever said that the T'Pau was one of the Vulcan-design ships seen in the episode. If the T'Pau was one of those ships, why would the Romulans remove its deflector, if they were intending to put it back together again?
Perhaps the Apollo-class is a Starfleet-style ship that uses Vulcan built systems. (Or a standard Apollo-class vessel was refit with Vulcan systems when it was converted for non-military use) The Romulans stole it to take its deflector, warp coils, sensor array, whatever.. and put it in their three Vulcan ships.

Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

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Nobody ever said that the T'Pau was one of the Vulcan-design ships seen in the episode

IIRC it was mentioned in a conversation between Sela and Picard.
Sela talked to Picard about the Romulan invasion and Picard assumed that they'll use the stolen ship. Sela agreed and mentioned that they have two other Vulcan ships.

[ October 19, 2001: Message edited by: Spike ]

Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

This is one of those episodes where the writers obviously didn't think their plots through, so we have to do it for them. We'll have to go through the episode line by line and find out what facts we can circumnavigate and what we have to accept... Too bad the ep is not yet out as a sales video, so I can't access it very easily.

Stealing a Vulcan ship bit by bit and then reassembling it again doesn't make much sense, since the final part of the operation (stealing the spaceframe itself) would be much easier if nothing had been stolen previously. Then again, one could say this was a repetition of the classic plot complication of "007: Moonraker" variant: the villains first plan to do some small-scale clandestine stealing, but a last-minute happenstance forces them to pull a more audacious heist which then attracts the attention of the heroes.

The rationale of using stolen Vulcan ships in the first place is still missing. Spike, short of doing a line-by-line synopsis, could you search for a few key lines and formulate some fancy theories for us?

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

quote:
could you search for a few key lines

Unfortunately not. I saw that episode last week but I don't have it on tape. Nevertheless I'm absolutly sure Sela mentioned that the T'Pau is one of the three Vulcan ships. IIRC it wasn't mentioned why the Romulans used Vulcan ships.

Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

I believe they were trying to fool the Vulcans into thinking that it was a Vulcan envoy carrying Romulan diplomats to Vulcan. Forget the fact that the Vulcans would probably know whether or not they had diplomats on Romulus.

It'd be like an old, retired US Navy ship sailing into New York harbor claiming to have Taliban leaders on board and nobody thinking twice about it.

Posted by Michael_T (Member # 144) on :

Well, if that happened I doubt that the Taliban would get passed the gangs there at NYC who have missle launchers, semi-automatic weapons, and hand granades. Then of course there's the military presence...

Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

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Unfortunately not. I saw that episode last week but I don't have it on tape. Nevertheless I'm absolutly sure Sela mentioned that the T'Pau is one of the three Vulcan ships. IIRC it wasn't mentioned why the Romulans used Vulcan ships.

I made a note about that too. Sela explicitly confirmed that the T'Pau, as Picard supposed, was one of the ships.

Well, unless the German version was flawed. You can never know in a translation that lets Romulans fire with "contact breakers" (=disruptors).