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Even better is Outtakes, which is actually a montage of camera tests of much vaulted "Memory Wall" sequence. Presented in non-anamorphic widescreen and without sound (but of surprisingly high quality (fans have been wanting this forever, and now here it is.
Wow, pictures of the ships in crisp and clear dvd-quality
I presume theyre replacing the wooden rafters they forgot to matte out on my version of Kirk leaving the airlock
The DVD, I mean.
Check out this screenshot -- I don't remember the nacelle outside the window.
http://www.dvdfile.com/images/discs_2/startrek/motionpicture/8.jpg
http://members.tripod.com/~DesignR/M_STtmp1.jpg
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Originally posted by CaptainMike:
what ships? The memory wall is the crystal thing that tried to eat Kirk on his way to pick up the spacesuited Spock..I presume theyre replacing the wooden rafters they forgot to matte out on my version of Kirk leaving the airlock
I understand all of this is the rough footage. It's not been assembled and none of it has been effects work added.
I'm looking forward to it because Andy Propbert told me it was bad, so I'm interested to see just how bad it was In the Star Trek: The Magazine article featuring that image, they said that Foundation Imaging took their CGI Enterprise and placed the camera behind the appropriate window to get the angle right... I have no idea how accurate it is, but it seems they did try something to make it fit. Based on the article (and the DVDFile shots), I'm very impressed with the Director's Edition so far... now I wish November 6 would hurry up and get here.
I've always liked The Motion Picture, but I've also felt it needed some work on the special effects and pacing. From what I've read so far, the movie has been nipped and tucked and supposed to pretty awesome in this new edition. I think it's only about two or three minutes shorter than Wise's director's cut edition. It'll be neat to see the extra footage like the memory wall. I like seeing how a particular scene could have gone in one direction but ultimately could not. Should be fun. There's just two things I hope got fixed. The first is when Kirk leaves the airlock to pursue Spock into V'Ger. As the camera pulls back, you can the sound stage and rigging on the right side. Also, as Ilia, Decker, Kirk, Spock, and McCoy leave through the personnel airlock on top of the saucer to go to V'Ger's core, the matte painting of the upper saucer is truly atrocious.
That scene isn't in the new cut. It wasn't in the original release, either; it was added in the "special longer" ABC/VHS version. If you notice, Kirk's suit helmet is different in that scene than when he meets up with Spock... it's more like the 2001 or Enterprise helmets. The exit scene is actually a part of the abandoned "Memory Wall" sequence. In any case, it's not in the new cut, so it didn't have to be fixed. In The Magazine, they show several shots from right around that part, all using some new CGI work on the "brick" path that leads to V'Ger and a few new angles of the ship, so it seems reasonable to assume that the saucer shot was redone, too. I sure hope so, too.
In the Star Trek: The Magazine article featuring that image, they said that Foundation Imaging took their CGI Enterprise and placed the camera behind the appropriate window to get the angle right... I have no idea how accurate it is, but it seems they did try something to make it fit. Yeah, they used the bigass Rec Deck windows, forgetting that they weren't supposed to be little things, but actual BIGASS windows. Unless, of course, this is one of those "hidden behind a sliding hull plate" windows that can be activated at the touch of a button like the FWD observation lounge in ST5.
And add Sisko and some tribbles in the background...
http://www.obisreviews.com/reviews/startrektmp.html -MMoM I also read they deleted the planets/moons above Vulcan, remembering the line "Vulcan has no moon." [ October 28, 2001: Message edited by: Phelps ] In the original version, space station Epsilon Nine received intelligence on the failed Klingon attack on stardate 7411.40. How do I know this? Listen to the background chatter with Commodore Probert and the two scouts. Soon after this scene is shown, we see Admiral Kirk arrive at Starfleet Headquarters. Now, in the latest version (one of three or four), we see that the events which occured at the Headquarters were prior to the Epsilon Nine sequence (7410.20 is earlier than 7411.40). If stardate 7411.40 is retained, what would be the reason that Admiral Kirk demanded his former command?
However, that explanation can be refuted. If I recall, Kirk comments to both Scotty and (later) McCoy that the cloud is headed to Earth and and he has to stop it. This would mean that he (and Starfleet) knew it was already heading towards Earth so Epsilon 9 wasn't breaking anything new. But, if Starfleet knew the cloud was already coming, then they would have had the time to find another ship to take Kirk out there. It's kind of a mess unless someone can come in here and correct me if I'm wrong about the events or dialogue.
Eh? What, the actual prop wasn't on his robe in one scene, but back for the other?
"Eh? What, the actual prop wasn't on his robe in one scene, but back for the other?" I think he refers to a point during the fight with Vadar when, for some reason, his lighsabre seems to dissapear. Or at least shrink down to nothingness.
What's the big deal? Lieutenant Yar died on stardate 41601.3 ("Skin of Evil") but visited Minos on stardate 41798.2 ("The Arsenal of Freedom"). Spock died on stardate 8127 (Star trek III) but was at Starfleet Academy on stardate 8130 (Star Trek II). Stardates have always been useless for pinpoint relative dating, even if they might give a general timeframe for events. If we want to use Gene Roddenberry's old explanation of time dilation and unusual warp effects, Epsilon IX is a long way from Earth, moving at a different relativistic velocity, and the rendezvousing scouts at a different position and velocity still. Wherever the Revere and Columbia are meeting, it's stardate 7411 while it's still 7410 on Earth. We'll leave the potential paradoxes to the Temporal Investigation spooks. "You two ships rendezvous! Immediately, if not sooner! And don't give me any of that 'we're two-hundred light-years apart' crap! I want you together yesterday!" It would have the be a date in the future, don't you think?
As Arnold Rimmer would say, "Wrong. Wrong. Brimming over with wrongability." "Scout Columbia, NCC-621, to rendezvous with scout Revere, NCC-595 on stardate 7411.4. Further orders will be relayed at that time. Signed, Commodore Probert, Starfleet. End of transmission." 7411.4 is refered to as "at that time", meaning future tense, meaning it isn't that date.
I don't mind being corrected when I have written inadvertencies into a response. However, I do mind gloating over those inadvertencies by you or anyone else.
But no-one did. Because they're silly.
Very ashamed, I think... What requirements are there to watch a DVD on a computer.. a DVD player is probably a few years off for my household, but my computer is doing pretty good (i should know, i built it) Yes, you need a DVD drive (or if you know someone with a DVD drive who makes VCDs for you, you just need a CD drive). I recommend PowerDVD (because it has a screenshot-function). Maybe your graphic card has a TV out.
You also need software to play the movie. However, your DVD drive should come with some, unless you buy it out of the back of a '74 Econoline. Screencapturing is, I think, usually part of the basic package. Still, it would pay to check before you buy the drive. Watching it on TV is a video card matter, though. Do you have input/output plugins?
Also: Pricewatch.com, if you're going to go shopping.
I remember everyone saying 'ooh you built your own computer, can i see?' and then saying 'um mike.. it looks just like your old computer', because i have the same dirty keyboard, monitor with the crack on the side and speakers. Everyone was expecting to walk into my room and see either Well, at least somebody got tongue in cheek tone. Oh well, as I've always said, "there's no inflection in ASCII..."
MrNeutron. You smell of poo. And you think that Hilter was an "ok sort of bloke".
I just discovered this thread... as some of you may be aware, I supervised the CGI for this project while I was at Foundation, so I may be able to answer some questions and clear up a few mysteries! Based on what I've read here, I will mention that the memory wall is NOT included in the new cut (as has already been pointed out) and neither is most of Kirk's space walk (thus removing the need to fix the studio rafters). However, much of this is included as deleted scenes. The new cut of the film is NOT spectacularly different, just tightened up a bit in places. It includes most of the footage from the longer edition (the stuff that helps the story make sense) but the running time is close to the original theatrical run. Doing the new effects for this DVD was the most fun all of us ever had on a project, so feel free to ask about it! POSSIBLE SPOILERS I watched the second (extras) disc fully, where the documentaries give a great coverage of the entire Phase II situation, the making of TMP and of the Director's Edition. We see *actual Phase II test footage* of Xon and crewmembers walking around in Engineering, glimpsed earlier in "The Art of Star Trek" and "The Making of Star Trek: Phase II." It's the closest we'll come to getting a sense of what the series would have looked like. We see the folks from Foundation Imaging as they're unloading the eight-foot Enterprise from its crate, and some of the changes they made are explained in detail. Their work is truly great, and I commend them highly. A high point of the DVD is the scene-specific text commentary by Mike Okuda -- I hope the uninvited viewers will now realize just how much complexity there is to the Star Trek universe. Mike is explaining warp factors while the Enterprise is going to warp, saying when the drive was invented and such -- it really helps liven up the movie, kinda like a sports commentary. What's really new, however, is the audio commentary by Robert Wise, Doug Trumbull and other folks -- it gives an insight on how the individual scenes and effects were produced, and I have yet to hear all of it. Of great interest to me as a musician was the part of the second documentary where Jerry Goldsmith is talking about the creation of the Enterpise inspection theme music, which ultimately ended up in the TNG main title. We're shown the sequence with an earlier stage of that music, which Robert Wise denounced as lacking a theme and reminding him of sailing ships. And then, we see the same scene with the familiar version. This Enterprise inspection scene is the *only* human scene in that movie. The Enterprise is the *only* human character there. The rest of the movie -- don't show it to non-Trekkie friends. We, however, will have plenty of fun dissecting the audio commentaries, Mike Okuda's commentaries, behind-the-scenes documentaries, and modified scenes. [ November 04, 2001: Message edited by: Phelps ] One of its three video stores has it. The other two don't, though one has the VHS, as well as the DVD inside the new Star Trek DVD collection. Virgin Megastore and BestBuys also won't get it until Tuesday, pun intended. [ November 04, 2001: Message edited by: Phelps ] I watched the film through once, and forced myself not to pause or rewind to review anything. I figured I'd give it one chance to be seen start to finish with my full undivided attention. I then played it again and listened to the audio commentary track. I have yet to look at disc 2. $$$$ POTENTIAL SPOILERS $$$$ The film is better. The pacing is better. Awkwardly timed shots have been trimmed. Extraneous sectyions have been chucked. A few of the mpost badly delivered lined have been culled. Some shots have been moved around to better effect. And music and sound effects have been added to shots that were previously rather flat. Those expecting a massive reworking of the film will be disappointed. TMP is still TMP. Yes, it doesn't take as long to fly through the cloud, or to fly over V'ger, but the film's pace is still leisurely. The new sound mix is overall an improvement, albeit a few of the new sound effects are less impressive than the originals. Some nice touches are mixes of familair TOS sounds throughout (such as the transporter "on" sound). Computer voiceovers have been replaced throughout, and correct some errors in the previous versions (such as reporting a travel pod available at "cargo six" when the pod is docked at a port clearly maked 5). One minor annoyance, and typical of modern film/video releases, is that there are occasion sound effects so much louder than the balance of the film as to rattle the neighbors. The new digital effects are less numerous than some would expect. Most of the effects are the originals, with digital cleanups of matte lines and so forth. Some of the edits are a bit puzzling. One is a strange cut that results in Commander Branch reporting that the V'ger powerfield measures "over two A.U.s in diameter" as opposed to "eight two" in the original film. SO, the V'ger cloud goes from being big enough to hide the solat system in down to the the size of the Earth's orbit. A rather pointless change. The few all new digital shots are mostly good. If you didn't know they were new effects, you might mistake them for originals. A couple are just a tad too CGI looking, but not nowhere near as jarringly out of place as the new effects in the Star Wars Special Editions. The picture is the bigest revelation here. I'd forgotten how good looking this movie was, remembering all those bad and washed out video and laser disc transfers rather than how it looked in the theater. The lighting and cinematography are top notch. This really looks like a movie, moreso than most of its cinematic progeny. If you disliked TMP before, this edition is unlikely to change your opinion of it much. However, if you liked the film enough but always thought it was just a tad too slow, this version is a definite improvement, and more enjoyable. A few highlights: Finally seeing the Enterprise blast the asteroid in the wormhole. Getting to see V'ger in all it's glory. And, never again having to hear Shatner's "Oh ........my god" line.
That's what I thought as I watched it, too. The Motion Picture is, in my opinion, the only Star Trek movie that feels like it was taking advantage of being a movie, rather than simply being an elaborate episode. Everything about the Enterprise as it appears in this film, from the sets to the equipment, just has a level of realism that disappeared as early as Star Trek II. The uniforms, while perhaps bland, are diverse, as one would expect on a semi-military ship. It was futuristic without delving into the stylized caricature of itself that became Star Trek style in later years. It is also the only movie, with the possible exception of Star Trek III or V to have a true science fiction plot, one that can't easily be tweaked into any other genre. Khan was fun, for instance, but it really just boils down to Khan's revenge and Spock's sacrifice... you could tell that story anywhere. I'm going to go out on a limb here. Ignoring the execution, I think that The Motion Picture was the high point of Star Trek in terms of theme and plain old intelligence. Because the show hadn't really became a "franchise," The Motion Picture was the last Star Trek that was essentially undiluted by demographics and mass appeal.
Listening to the audio commentaries, you also get the sense that the Visual Effects artists had too much freedom in the movie. While the Enterprise-inspection scene is excellent, and I applaud everyone for their efforts here, I feel the artists should've been on a tighter leash with V'Ger. They keep talking about abstract shapes, abstract this and that, making it seem as though TMP was just an opportunity for them to show their stuff, rather than serve the story of TMP. Why establish so much of V'Ger, spend such huge amounts of time on the interior visual effects when little of it was ever explained, or its function suggested in the story. It's just abstract pictures for the viewer to look at. The movie was obviously a foundation for the franchise, and resulted in a lot of sets and models that continued to be used over and over again. Jerry Goldsmith did a great job on the music. However, you really can't stretch a pilot script to the point of breakdown, letting the visual effects fill the void. Yes, it works sometimes, but in the case of V'Ger, the filler is just too abstract and disconnected from the story. Oh, and as for the change from 82 to 2 AUs -- I think it makes a lot of sense, considering that the V'Ger without the cloud is clearly nowhere near 82 AUs long. It's a lot bigger than the Enterprise, but not *that* much bigger. [ November 07, 2001: Message edited by: Phelps ] 1) Has the volume of the "Scout Columbia to rendevous with..." increased since the theatrical release? 2) When did Paramount replace the curvy subtitle font with the all-caps, jagged-looking version? I saw the new version in TNN's airing of the movie, but I also watched an old British PAL videotape with the curvy subtitles. (As explained in the commentaries, the Vulcan actors in the movie were filmed speaking English, then overdubbed with Vulcan dialogue. The 1979 subtitles matched the English dialogue word for word, so Paramount later reworded the subtitles to obscure this. The Deleted Scenes section has the 1979 subtitles.) [ November 07, 2001: Message edited by: Phelps ] The Columbia/Revere/Entente dialogue is the same as before (and Entente IS mentioned)
BTW, if you've heard it, does the Entente come up before or after the "Scout Columbia, NCC-595......signed Commodore Probert." WHere should I look for it?
The USS Entente is mentioned while Epislon IX is trying to get the Columbia to respond (the scene where we see the man in the space suit go flying past the camera). The exact line goes something like "Epsilon IX, Epsilon IX, this is the Dreadnaught Entente, NCC-2120..."
Well, not exactly the same... if I remember correctly, the Columbia/Revere rendezvous line is heard through the front speakers rather loudly while the Entente line is quieter and through the surround. My girlfriend was sitting off to the side doing other things while I watched that scene of the DVD and actually turned to see who was talking behind her! Gotta love 5.1 channel remixes. This is what I hear: "Epsilon 9, this is dreadnought Entente calling, NCC-21209, com station, Epsilon 9, come in." If the "9" above isn't a "9", what is it? Right now, I also heard a reference to "long range shuttle Ranger" and another "NCC-2120" that appears before the above message. I'm sure people with better surround will be able to decipher more.
-Devin
The three "documentaries" are a nice idea, but the execution is poor. They are painfully thin. Too many talking heads and not enough behind the scenes footage (of which there is tons, as there was a camera crew shooting documentary footage behind the scenes throughout the production). The section on Phase II is particularly maddening. Too much time wasted on talking heads when what should have been done were to have the voices over images and concepts for the proposed show. And, when some of the screen tests done for the show are finally shown, that's the putting voice overs in, so you don't even get to hear all the dialogue and get a sense of the performers. Then there's the complete glossing over of the reasons for Phase II becoming TMP. Throughout the supplements (and the commentaries) there are constant references to the film being hurried and released unfinished, but there's never any real discussion of WHY the film was so late and so rushed. The whole Robert Abel and Associates situation is skipped over. And, given the crunch to make the visual effects work, where are the interviews with Richard Taylor? Greg Jein? Andrew Probert? Why do we only get Dykstra and Trumbull? The deleted and cut scenes is a pretty nice section, but still skimps on the stuff many of us really wanted to see. Yes, there are camera tests for the Memory Wall, but where's the footage shot with Kirk and Spock? Where's the security guards coming onto the bridge? (At least regarding the latter, Wise explains why they cut the scene out.) The trailers are fun, but the storyboard archives are a total disappointment. With all the various concepts tried out it would have been nice to have seen the roads not taken. So, all in all, it's great to see what we got, but at best it's a 3rd of what it should have been. Oh well, the main attraction is the movie, which DOES finally feel complete after all these years.
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
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Originally posted by Shik:
It wasn't. They intended it to be in the lounge on deck 2 & didn't even bother to match the windows. Instead, the new shot places it on the starboard aft saucer rim in a place where said window doesn't even exist.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Me too. Sopranos Seas II
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
I'm really excited about this, too. Of course, I don't have a DVD player so it's not gonna do me a lot of good, is it?
Posted by Phelps (Member # 713) on :
Siegfried: next time you buy a computer, definitely get a laptop or a desktop computer with a DVD drive. It's perfect for watching multi-region DVDs and capturing images on your hard drive.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
ST:TMP-DE is definatly my next DVD purchase when I go to the mall. Have to also buy FarScape DVD #5 (which somehow I skipped), and Grand Theft Auto 3 for the PS2.
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
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Originally posted by Siegfried:
There's just two things I hope got fixed. The first is when Kirk leaves the airlock to pursue Spock into V'Ger. As the camera pulls back, you can the sound stage and rigging on the right side.quote:
Originally posted by Siegfried:
Also, as Ilia, Decker, Kirk, Spock, and McCoy leave through the personnel airlock on top of the saucer to go to V'Ger's core, the matte painting of the upper saucer is truly atrocious.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
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Originally posted by Ryan McReynolds:
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
More ambitious would have been to cut the background and insert the correctly shaped windows from Probert's sketch.. CGI ship interiors work too, like the Voyager corridor they modeled to blow up in 'Fury'.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Here's a page that's got a review and tons of screencaps. When you're done w/the review, go down to the bottom of the page and hit the link to the photo gallery. Prepare to piss your pants.
Posted by Phelps (Member # 713) on :
Well, looks like a whole lotta websites will have to change the movie's stardate to 7410.2. Wonder if that's a new addition or a cut scene.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Vulcan "moons" are definatly removed
SS Enterprise NX-01 hasn't been put in place of the SS Enterprise spaceliner.
WOHOO! The ugly matte-painted of Kirk and Co. walking on the Enterprise hull is removed!
Not only that, but the huge "block land" has been shrunk down to a "block bridge", which does look really cool if you ask me.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
That is a much better shot of the Enterprise at V'Ger's central complex. I really like that it is now a space bridge instead of a large mass of hexagonal stones. That truly is a beautiful shot.
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
That's how the original storyboards were, but for some reason it was easier/cheaper to do the big mass of stones instead of the bridge.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Well, as we can all testify to, sometimes the producers just make oddly bizarre decisions.
Posted by targetemployee (Member # 217) on :
I am expecting many of you to throw brimstone and fire upon me for this. Oh, well.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
There isn't a good explanation. One could make the argument that Starfleet had been tracking the cloud for some time before Epsilon 9 picked up the Klingon squadron's signal. If Starfleet determined that the cloud was going to enter Federation space, he could have used this as the core of his argument to retake command of the Enterprise.
Posted by Woodside Kid (Member # 699) on :
I, for one, hope they fix the godawful visuals in the first probe shots on the bridge. The warping they had to do to get rid of the technican running the probe always annoyed me. It's one of my personal pet peeves, like Obi-Wan Kenobi's disappearing lightsaber in SW (which, for whatever reason, Lucas didn't fix in the Special Edition).
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
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like Obi-Wan Kenobi's disappearing lightsaber in SW
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Is it just me, or do the two security goons in the Rec Room pic look, uh ... well, like they've got really long arms?
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
"like Obi-Wan Kenobi's disappearing lightsaber in SW"
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
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Originally posted by targetemployee:
Now, in the latest version (one of three or four), we see that the events which occured at the Headquarters were prior to the Epsilon Nine sequence (7410.20 is earlier than 7411.40). If stardate 7411.40 is retained, what would be the reason that Admiral Kirk demanded his former command?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Um... Didn't the "chatter" say that the two ships were being ordered to rendezvous on that stardate? Obviously it couldn't be the current one.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Maybe it was an old message being relayed? Maybe it was a review of a previously sent message being sent back as an acknowledgement..
I love this stuff
Posted by mrneutron (Member # 524) on :
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Originally posted by targetemployee:
...space station Epsilon Nine received intelligence on the failed Klingon attack on stardate 7411.40. How do I know this? Listen to the background chatter...in the latest version (one of three or four), we see that the events which occured at the Headquarters were prior to the Epsilon Nine sequence (7410.20 is earlier than 7411.40)... The dialogue actually goes:
Posted by targetemployee (Member # 217) on :
Mr Neutron,
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I think what you've done there, TargetEmployee, is mistake "gloating" for "being funny". As a hint, if someone is quoting someone from a TV show who is a complete twat, then they are possibly trying to be humorous. Watch out for that, eh?
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
We are all a bunch of snots anyway.. I particularly had a good time with someone who displayed very little knowledge of Knight Rider..
(actually the fact that I know so much about Knight Rider, more than the other person, doesnt necessarily give me reason to gloat.. perhaps i should be a little ashamed)
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Actually, what I displayed was little knowledge of the character "Michael Knight". If someone had ever mentioned "Knight Rider" in that thread, I probably could have put the two together.
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
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Originally posted by CaptainMike:
(actually the fact that I know so much about Knight Rider, more than the other person, doesnt necessarily give me reason to gloat.. perhaps i should be a little ashamed)
(shudders at the thought of David Hasselhoff's chest hair)
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Since this thread has gone off the subject (the Star Trek I DVD) ill drag it back towards it (yet not fully home) by asking
if i were to watch a DVD on my PC..:
Do i need a special DVD drive or can a CD drive read it?
what system requirements (or software) would be required?
how about the availability of boards so i could output to a TV?.. (and input while im at it, because ive been dying to become a screencapper)
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
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Do i need a special DVD drivequote:
what system requirements (or software) would be required?quote:
how about the availability of boards so i could output to a TV?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
You need a DVD drive to read a DVD.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Curses!
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Plenty to think about.
My video card is the only weak spot in my computing utopia.. i took it from my last computer.. that and the dirty key board and monitor.. everything else is new and high quality.. yes i can see myself becoming DVD ready very soon.. ee-e-excellent
1) M-5, or any other plastic wierd looking super-device like an iMac
2) a bunch of wired together Speak&Spells and walkie talkies
Posted by mrneutron (Member # 524) on :
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Originally posted by PsyLiam:
I think what you've done there, TargetEmployee, is mistake "gloating" for "being funny". As a hint, if someone is quoting someone from a TV show who is a complete twat, then they are possibly trying to be humorous. Watch out for that, eh?
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Most people got it. I've mainly given up putting smilies and stuff at the end of sarcastic sentences, since I feel it ruins the humour, and I also feel that anyone more clever than Jeff's feet can figure it out.
Posted by Mojo (Member # 536) on :
Hey folks
Mojo
Posted by Phelps (Member # 713) on :
I bought the movie, put on the extras disc, had a lot of fun, started watching the movie and...started yawning.
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There are tweaks here and there, modified scenes we've read about (the old versions are still available on the second disc for comparison). Nevertheless, all the changes can't change the fact that TMP is a yawn, a movie in which the characters are drowning in the glitter of technology and special effects. It's a complete reverse of TOS, where the tech looked cheesy and forced a writer to really develop the characters, because the viewers would look at nothing else.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Um...how did you see it? It doesn't come out until Tuesday...
Posted by Phelps (Member # 713) on :
Well, once again, courtesy of Roosevelt Field Mall, Nassau County, Long Island.
Posted by mrneutron (Member # 524) on :
TMP DE -- A brief review
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
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Originally posted by mrneutron:
The picture is the bigest revelation here. I'd forgotten how good looking this movie was, remembering all those bad and washed out video and laser disc transfers rather than how it looked in the theater. The lighting and cinematography are top notch. This really looks like a movie, moreso than most of its cinematic progeny.
Posted by Phelps (Member # 713) on :
I wouldn't say it was made without a view to mass appeal -- it was caused by the success of Star Wars and severely influenced by 2001: A Space Odyssey. Not just in terms of the visual effects -- the whole idea of meeting your creator and evolving to a higher stage is a central part of what "2001" is about, although in this movie it was executed a bit more simplistically. If they'd wanted a strict, fan-appeal-ignorant connection to TOS, they would've recreated at least *some* of the sets and uniforms.
Posted by Phelps (Member # 713) on :
A question to people with the various videotapes, laserdiscs, film prints, etc:
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
I believe the subtitles are still the same ugly yellow font.
Posted by Phelps (Member # 713) on :
I know what the subtitles are right now, I was asking what they were in previous videotapes, laserdiscs, etc.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Um, let me think...
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
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Originally posted by The359:
The Columbia/Revere/Entente dialogue is the same as before (and Entente IS mentioned)
Posted by Phelps (Member # 713) on :
Ok, I changed the audio setting (you really can't hear 5.1 surround on a laptop), and heard the reference.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
I believe that the NCC-2120 is said rather quickly, and the '9' comes from the person on teh radio saying "Epsilon 9" again.
Posted by Phelps (Member # 713) on :
But it's the same person speaking throughout, and there is only one syllable after "two one two oh", one that sounds like a "nine". It can't be "Epsilon Nine".
Posted by devin.clancy (Member # 589) on :
The Entente voice is the lowest mixed audible comm call. It seems to be in the rear left channel.
The extra nine appears to be the voice repeating "...calling epsilon 9..."
Oddly, it sounds like the same voice as the epsilon nine controller. Maybe it's a computer voice. It could be the same one heard on the Enterprise later.
Posted by mrneutron (Member # 524) on :
I posted my general observations on the ST-TMP DE DVD a few days ago. Here's some thoughts on the supplementary disc.