I'm sure this list will be screamed at, but since the third Encyclopedia (2.5) didn't have a shiplist, I thought I'd make one on the ships whose class we don't know and could have been mentioned in a shiplist. Now this is non-canon, unofficial, and just what I think the classes and registries of these ships are until we get another shiplist.
USS Billings Nebula NCC-62143 "Night"
USS Carolina Bradbury NCC-76624 "Inside Man"
USS Centaur Centaur NCC-42043 "A Time to Stand"
USS Cortez Excelsior NCC-41889 "Favor the Bold"
USS Destiny Akira NCC-67652 "Shadows and Symbols"
USS Intrepid Intrepid NCC-73535 "In the Flesh"
USS Musashi Akira NCC-60325 "Treachery, Faith, and the Great River"
USS Olympia Oberth NCC-52144 "The Sound of Her Voice"
USS Saratoga Miranda NCC-51903 "Wrongs Darker Than Death or Night"
USS Sarek Miranda NCC-48871 "Sacrifice of Angels"
USS Sentinel Saber NCC-63347 "Treachery, Faith, and the Great River"
USS Strata Nova NCC-65537 "Field of Fire"
USS Ticonderoga Excelsior NCC-42618 Star Trek: Insurrection
USS Tombaugh Ambassador NCC-25064 "Infinite Regress"
USS Truman Ambassador NCC-25390 "Field of Fire"
USS Veracruz Sovereign NCC-74815 "The Siege of AR-558"
[ December 09, 2001: Message edited by: Veers ]
Posted by OnToMars (Member # 621) on :
*points and screams*
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
USS Carolina Personally, I think that the Prometheus Class is still hush hush top secret... and the ship we saw in "End Game" was also the NX.
USS Centaur I tend to agree with the DS9 TM, this was a custom build based on leftover parts, and not a class.
USS Destiny I thought there was a Galaxy ship identified as Destiny...
USS Intrepid Do we need to question species 8472's intell?
USS Olympia Does it have to be Oberth [/whine], there are so many other classes out there.
USS Sarek Sarek and Surak... man I hate how close those are...
Ba-de, ba-de, ba-de... that's all folks.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
Heh heh heh...scared are we, OnToMars?
I just put the Carolina as Prometheus because it (apparently, Bernd says) it has a warp speed of 9.9. And the Centaur, I didn't want to list it as "Excelsior variant," even though I know it is.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
quote:Originally posted by Veers: USS Carolina Prometheus NCC-76624 "Inside Man"
I agree, should not be Prometheus class
USS Saratoga Steamrunner NCC-62103 "Wrongs Darker Than Death or Night"
How can the Saratoga have that registry, if she had to have been built within the last 10 years?
USS Sarek Miranda NCC-58871 "Sacrifice of Angels"
Registry seems too high for a Miranda
USS Strata Nova NCC-45537 "Field of Fire"
Registry too low for a Nova
USS Veracruz Sovereign NCC-78815 "The Siege of AR-558"
Why such a large registry here?
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
The Sarek registry was supposed to be "38871," but I mistyped somehow. I changed the Nova registry to start with a "6." I don't know what the Carolina's class is, but it could be a new ship based on the spoken evidence in "Inside Man." I am going to change the Saratoga to a Miranda. The Veracruz has a high registry because I listed it as a Sovereign.
Does anyone have anything other than "change this and that"?
Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
Not really. But I've got this bit of info - USS Saratoga (the third I'm guessing) was said (somewhere) to be of Intrepid-class. Is that correct?
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
Maybe at a fan site or something. I would make it an Intrepid, but I think its too good a ship to waste on lots of names.
Posted by Ace (Member # 389) on :
Your Akira registries seem too high based on the other Akira class ships known to date. The Sentinel registry could be an Akira, though.
[ December 09, 2001: Message edited by: Ace ]
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
For some reason, I had this idea in my mind that the Destiny was a Nebula. Was there evidence of this, or did I imagine it, or what?
Oh, and your Sarek has way too low a registry for a ship that was built in the last decade.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
quote:USS Musashi Akira NCC-70325
I've always thought this could be a Galaxy considering the Yamato.
quote:USS Saratoga Miranda NCC-31903
Not bloody likely as this Saratoga appears after Wolf 359 in which Sisko's Saratoga was registered as 31911 and was destroyed.
quote:USS Sarek Miranda NCC-38871
I've always thought of this ship to have a higher number and as one of the newest ships at the time given that Sarek died only a few years earlier. Better to name a ship after someone who's died then if the person was still living.
quote:USS Carolina Prometheus NCC-76624
As others have said, Prometheus class still probably highly classified. Doubtful if she's this class.
quote:USS Veracruz Sovereign NCC-78815
Registry still a little too high given that Sao Paulo was newly commissioned in a later episode and was 75633.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
To be fair, while the intent was doubtlessly that the USS Sarek be named after him *after* his death, there's nothing to say that the naming conventions of Starfleet don't preclude naming ships after people who were still alive.
And to me anyway, I think that naming a piddly little Miranda after him would be almost an insult of a great man in the Trek universe.
Mark
[ December 09, 2001: Message edited by: Mark Nguyen ]
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
*edits post some more* I'll keep the Sarek as a Miranda, because it is the first class the pops into my mind when I here "USS Sarek." And since the Prometheus is still hush-hush, I'll change it to a class we can all agree on: the Bradbury. I also changed a few registries. Next time, I'll just post another updated list.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I have a hard time believing that the Olympia from "The Sound of Her Voice" is an Oberth Class. They were on a, what, 8 year mission. Shoving a bunch of people into an Oberth for 8 years and sending them into unknown space with nothing more than a tiny science ship doesn't seem like a good idea. I'm voting for a bigger ship for the Olympia. Miranda....Constellation maybe.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
We saw wreckage from the Olympia.. wasnt there a discarded E-rfit nacelle lying there.. narrows it down to Miranda, Constellation or some other class we havent seen maybe
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I do believe that we saw at least part of a refit nacelle. Last time around I think we agreed that a Constellation sounded like a good choice.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
You still aren't getting the Saratoga right. This ship has to be practically brand new, since the previous Saratoga was destroyed at Wolf 359.
It's gotta be somewhere in the 70000s, and definatly not a Miranda class.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
or if you liked the novel Saratoga, 'NCC-31911-A'
[ December 10, 2001: Message edited by: CaptainMike ]
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
USS Centaur Centaur NCC-42043 "A Time to Stand"
For some reason the Centaur has always stuck in my head as a Renaissance-Class...unofficially
USS Olympia Oberth NCC-52144 "The Sound of Her Voice"
You might be right, I'm pretty sure I spotted a bit of Oberth in that wreakage...as well as a conni refit nacelle...oh well, another ungodly kitbash...
USS Saratoga Miranda NCC-51903 "Wrongs Darker Than Death or Night"
Way off, I'd say it is a Defiant-Class...just for the sheer irony.
USS Sarek Miranda NCC-48871 "Sacrifice of Angels"
Again, I think a newer ship is preferable. Perhaps a Saber-class?
USS Strata Nova NCC-65537 "Field of Fire"
The Strata was around in the 2350's (I think) so Nova class is out of the question. Since it was a geo-terraforming vessle it could be of a design we haven't seen yet...or it could be a New Orleans-Class with those pods adapted to terraformy type funtions...
One minor point, you missed out the USS Curry....which I think of (unofficially of course) as a Mediterranean-Class
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
The Strata was probably a more uninteresting, smaller vessel than any of the classes we are dealing with here..
and i like the Renaissance-class from the TNG comics better then a Centaur explanation.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Well, I'm going to throw my vote in and say that the Centaur is a distinct class...not a throw-together from scrap. I'm not saying it's Centaur Class...But the unique nacelles and other points make me firmly believe that that was designed that way and not just thrown together.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
Here's an updated list, based on some of your suggestions:
USS Billings Nebula NCC-62143 "Night"
USS Carolina Bradbury NCC-76624 "Inside Man"
USS Centaur Centaur NCC-42043 "A Time to Stand"
USS Cortez Excelsior NCC-41889 "Favor the Bold"
USS Destiny Akira NCC-67652 "Shadows and Symbols"
USS Intrepid Intrepid NCC-73535 "In the Flesh"
USS Musashi Akira NCC-60325 "Treachery, Faith, and the Great River"
USS Olympia Constellation NCC-9843 "The Sound of Her Voice"
USS Saratoga Steamrunner NCC-61903 "Wrongs Darker Than Death or Night"
USS Sarek Saber NCC-68871 "Sacrifice of Angels"
USS Sentinel Saber NCC-63347 "Treachery, Faith, and the Great River"
USS Strata Oberth NCC-51537 "Field of Fire"
USS Ticonderoga Excelsior NCC-42618 Star Trek: Insurrection
USS Tombaugh Ambassador NCC-25064 "Infinite Regress"
USS Truman Ambassador NCC-25390 "Field of Fire"
USS Veracruz Sovereign NCC-74815 "The Siege of AR-558"
[ December 10, 2001: Message edited by: Veers ]
[ December 10, 2001: Message edited by: Veers ]
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
Looks mostly okay, but it is obviously open to interpretation. My site listings vary somewhat in places, such as I have the USS Sentinel as a Sovereign, the Destiny as a Galaxy, the Saratoga an Intrepid, the Vera Cruz as a Nebula, etc.
One problem I see, is that your registry number for the Constellation Class Olympia (NCC 52144) is much too high for a Constellation.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
I'd put the Strata registry slightly lower if it's an Oberth, since the highest Oberth registry we have is 59318 for the Cochrane.
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
The updated list looks very good, but why do I have the impression that, if there will ever be a new Encyclopedia, the unknown ships will all be Mirandas, Excelsiors and Nebulas (well, maybe one Intrepid too)?
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
If you keep the Sarek as a Sabre class, then I suggest you bump up the number to the 60000 range to follow the Yeager's number. That's not to say the Sabre was around in the 40000 range. It's just that 6xxxx looks a little better.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
I modified it a little bit. The Olympia is now NCC-9843, and the Strata was changed to NCC-51537.
Thanks for a lot of your input. Posted by Ace (Member # 389) on :
Your Saratoga registry seems a bit high.
Remember, the First Contact vessels all had lower registries than what many would think.
[ December 10, 2001: Message edited by: Ace ]
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I would think that the next Encyclopedia would list the ships w/o registries or classes at all, since they weren't given any to start with.
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
I updated the list above after Ace's suggestions.
And speaking of the encyclopedia, one wonders how they chose the classes for some ships (Deneva, Yorkshire, Wambundu, Zodiac, Andromeda, etc.). Did Okuda just make up names for some classes, or is there a list someone makes before the show. Cause I'm wondering if a ship like the Portland was Chimera-class before the encyclopedia, and if it wasn't, why couldn't they make up the classes and registries for the next batch of ships?
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
UGH! Don't listen to Ace, now you've screwed up the Saratoga registry again. That registry would mean that that Saratoga would exist before Sisko's was even destroyed.
Just make the new Saratoga...I dunno, Andromeda class, and give her a registry somewhere above 72xxx
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
NO! That registry is the Saratoga's registry! And what do you mean it existed before Sisko's? His was 3-something, mine is 6-something! You may claim that "registries aren't chronological" or whatever, but 6 comes after 3!
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
But 6 comes before 7, where ships after the E-D tend to sit...
Mark
Posted by Ace (Member # 389) on :
Excuse me The359?! Veers chose a Steamrunner class ship for his new Saratoga. We know two Steamrunner class ships (according to Bernd, unless you don't want to listen to him, either): the USS Appalacia NCC-52136 and the USS Hiroshima.
Most ships of the same class fit in a certain range of registries (whether they are in chronological order or not has nothing to do with this).
The other First Contact vessels we know:
Saber class, USS Appalacia NCC-52136
Norway class, USS Budapest NCC-64923
Akira class, USS Akira NCC-62497 Akira class, (Name unknown) NCC-63646 Akira class, USS Rabin NCC-63293 Akira class, USS Spector NCC-65549 Akira class, USS Thunderchild NCC-63549
Guess what! They are all lower than 7XXXX!
And Mark...remember the USS Prometheus with an NX number in the 50000s. Besides, they can always rename a ship. If The359 wants to be so anal, Veers might want to choose more DS9/Voyager-era type ships (based on the assumption of The359 that registries are strictly chronological). I personally think registries are assigned in batches and are also chronological, but only in a general sense as to when the assignment of numbers was made. This can explain odd ships like the Prometheus (perhaps, the project was on hiatus during the peaceful early TNG days and only a spaceframe existed, etc...).
[ December 10, 2001: Message edited by: Ace ]
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
*sigh*
1) The Saber class starship seen in First Contact is the USS Yeager NCC-61947
2) The only confirmed Akira class starship is the USS Thunderchild. The rest of those are from the Fact Files (and the unnamed ship is a misread of the Thunderchild's NCC-63549)
3) You have a single, lone registry number for a Steamrunner class ship. You can not create a "range" from a single bloody registry number! Look at the Oberth class! USS Copernicus NCC-623 to USS Grissom NCC-59318. That's a helluva range if you ask me! And look at the Mirandas. USS Lantree NCC-1837 to USS Saratoga NCC-31911. Or Excelsiors. USS Excelsior NCC-2000 to USS Melbourne NCC-62043.
Therefore ANY number above the Appalachia's would work for a Steamrunner.
4) The USS Prometheus's registry number has been given as both NX-59650 and NX-74913.
5) Brand new ships of the TNG-era and beyond were supposed to have 7xxxx registries. That's why all the Galaxy class starships are 7xxxx, why all the Defiant class starships are 7xxxx, why the Bradbury (and brand new ship by her NX registry) is in the 7xxxx, why the Equinox is 7xxxx, why the Prometheus is (supposedly) 7xxxx, and why Voyager has a 7xxxx registry. Therefore, since this new Saratoga would have been built during the time of TNG (following Wolf 359), she would more then likely have a registry number in the 7xxxxs, more specifically somewhere above 72xxx and below 74xxx (since she'd be built after the Bradbury but most likely before Voyager).
6) Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Well, that's one way to end an argument...
Regardless, the Saratoga registry is pretty open to debate. We only know for certain the registry of one of the Steamrunner vessels. It doesn't give a range of registries to choose from, but it does set the lower limit of the registry range for now. If you assume that the Saratoga is a Steamrunner, then any number above the Appalachia's registry could fit in.
Here are my assumptions for this conclusion. First, we are assuming that registries are roughly chronological. Second, we are assuming that Starfleet didn't simply pull an old Saratoga out of mothballs to serve as a replacement until a newer model could be constructed. Third, that the "modern" era of new starships (from TNG Season 1 to Voyager Season 7) have roughly NCC-70000 as a lower limit (given that the Galaxy class prototype is 70xxx, the Defiant class prototype was 74xxx, the Valiant was 74xxx, Voyager was 74xxx, the Equinox was 72xxx, and others). Fourth, that the possibility exists for starships to be built to a certain stage and then stored for later need or continued development at a later time (based on the text from TNG Technical Manual detailing what happened to Galaxy's #7 through 12). This also my explanation for the Prometheus since, sadly enough, the more reasonable 74xxx registry was not seen as clearly as the 59xxx emblazoned on her hull. Fifth, that starships are assigned their registries as construction orders are written but ship names are not yet assigned. This covers the quick turn around in Enterprise's from Generations to First Contact.
My opinion is that what Veers think is the Saratoga's new registry is possible if we assume that it was a Steamrunner that was mothballed sometime before launch. Starfleet later pulled a series of stored ships out of storage and finished them. This Steamrunner that was known as 6xxxxx was assigned the name Saratoga.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
IIRC, Okuda (and possibly others) made up all the conjectural Encyclopedia classes when he put the book together. I highly doubt they made them up at the time the names were given since they couldn't even trouble themselves to give us class names for some ships we did see (Raven, Data's Scout, Centaur...).
That said, I like most of the names in the Encyclopedia and I'm glad so many were given.
Posted by Ace (Member # 389) on :
1. Yeah, it's the Yeager. Sorry about that. Pasted the wrong thing from Bernd's site.
2. Like I said, the ship names were from Bernd's site.
3. If you wish to list the extreme cases, fine. What about the majority of the ships in those classes however? Many Excelsiors in TNG/DS9 have 4XXXX range of numbers; most of the Mirandas of this time have 3XXXX, most of the Ambassadors have a 26XXX range.
4. So you say the ship is listed with two official registries? Look, I know Okuda picked a more logical number, but the lower 5XXXX number we saw clearly in the show. The 74XXX number was only seen on an MSD in the Encyclopedia (it couldn't be seen clearly on TV).
5. Fine, if you want to believe registries are strictly chronological, and it was a brand new ship, not a renamed vessel.
6. Why must you be so rude?
[ December 11, 2001: Message edited by: Ace ]
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
There seems to have been confusion on a certain point... The problem isn't that the registry was too low for a Steamrunner. The problem is that it's too low for a ship obviously commissioned sometime after 2366. It would have to be some sort of odd exception to the normal progression of registries.
And, from what I understand, very few, if any, of the classes and registries in the Encyclopedia are made-up. They came off of computer displays and such. Why do you think we still have no class for the USS Valiant? Even the Columbia and Revere are classes, despite that fact that they were taken out of a book that gave them classes. Since they didn't have classes onscreen, they don't have them in the Encyclopedia.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:Since they didn't have classes onscreen, they don't have them in the Encyclopedia.
Most of the Connies didn't have NCCs onscreen, but they do have NCCs in the Encyclopedia.
[ December 11, 2001: Message edited by: Spike ]
Posted by Mojo (Member # 536) on :
I don't know if this is of any use to anyone, but I'm looking through some new reference I have of Trek models and I thought I'd pass along the regestries. I know how much you guys love that sort of thing :-)
USS LAKOTA: NCC-42768 (Excelsior) USS PEGASUS: NCC-53847 (don't know if the number was visible in the episode) USS FREDRICKSON: NCC-42111 (Excelsior) RUBICON: NCC-72936 (Runabout) USS BRITTAIN: NCC-21166 (Miranda class - I think that's the name, hard to see) USS YAMAGUCHI: NCC-26510 (Ent C) USS FARRAGUT: NCC-60597 (Nebula class)
You may already know all of these, but I thought I'd pass them along anyway.
Mojo
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
BRATTAIN, as in Walter. The misspelling on the hull was...yeah. And yes, we saw Pegasus' number quite well.
Posted by Phelps (Member # 713) on :
Yes, we do. Thanks for the thought.
BTW, question for you: when you did "Message in the Bottle", did you happen to relabel and renumber any of the two Defiant-class ships attacking the Prometheus?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Spike: All the names and numbers were onscreen, but just weren;t associated w/ one another. Okuda was going off a list that, I think, Greg Jein made, trying to match them up. But he didn't just invent them.
Mojo: Even though we already had all those, I'd like to speak for the group and say thanks and that, if you find anything else of that sort, we'd always appreciate having it passed along to us. :-)
Posted by targetemployee (Member # 217) on :
I think that there is an ~95% chance the class, registry, and spellings are accurate for ships associated with the last four series. However, I think the percentage of certainity decreases very fast for ships of the first series.
The only registries which I accept for the original series, aside from those seen or heard, from Mr. Okuda's conjectures are these three:
The first is from a study model seen in Sisko's office. Second is from an Okudagram in ST VI. And, the last, is from a display in "Space Seed".
I disagree with him on other ships, including the U.S.S. Carolina . I think I see his reasoning from Bernd's site where he stated that this ship was part of a hoax message and that the ship may not exist in Kirk's time. Klingons reading from a ship list, perhaps? Anyway, this ship is proven by Lt. Uhura's words to be an actual operating ship in 2267. So she couldn't be Daedalus or have a registry in the hundreds. I attribute the mistaken class and registry to poor hearing and leave this ship without either identification.
Posted by nx001a (Member # 291) on :
But the highest number goes to the U.S.S. da Vinci NCC-81623 from the S.C.E. books.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
...No doubt chosen to match that (erroneous) registry of that other well-known Saber-class vessel...
Anything interesting about the vessel in the e-books? Like, is she different from regular starships in some manner, being in SCE employ, or just the same-o, same-o? I'm looking forward to the paperback versions, since most of the snippets I've seen have shown at least some promise, and Keith DeCandido's involvement guarantees a couple of quality entries.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by nx001a (Member # 291) on :
I read the first book last week. The first book is currently free at the microsoft reader site. From the book i get the impression that the ship is very cramped since Commander La Forge was told to stay in his shuttle for his quarters. With a crew of 40 that means they cannot even support more than that number.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
So they are persisting with the 40 crew number (from DS9 TM) and the small size (~170m from the Encyclopedia), and ignoring the larger size (300m+ from the looks of the model or from the cut-and-pasted specs in DS9 TM)? Cute if not all that defensible... I've got a soft spot for small ships.
Oh, how do I get to read the free book? What is the exact site, and do I need to download something special or will Adobe Acrobat do?
Timo Saloniemi
[ December 12, 2001: Message edited by: Timo ]
Posted by nx001a (Member # 291) on :
Here is the site. Download microsoft reader and have it activated and the first star trek book isyours to download.
But I've got this bit of info - USS Saratoga (the third I'm guessing) was said (somewhere) to be of Intrepid-class. Is that correct?
