Thanks. I looked at Bernd's, but not hard enough, I guess.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Hmmmm....so, apparently the arrowhead insignia was representative of the organization first then given to just the enterprise...then back to the organization just before TMP...
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
I think the producers probably believed that the arrowhead was always the symbol of Starfleet, even during TOS. Of course, some of us here might even agree with that...
Posted by Proteus (Member # 212) on :
TOS never existed.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Maybe the Friendship One-arrowhead was the mission symbol (just like every space-shuttle flight has its own symbol) and Enterprise (1701) used it to honor the famous probe. Besides this, the nacelle clearly reads UESPA, not Starfleet.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Most likely the Enterprise insignia was derived from the old UESPA logo to highlight the scientific nature of the vessel.
On the other hand it's possible that starships at that time bore the symbol of the institution they were permanently assigned to, so a couple dozen different ships could have shared the old UESPA delta where as the other ship insignias we saw were derived from other such institution (Vulcan Science Academy, Bolian Merchant Navy, Andorian Stellar Probe Agency) so when all of these were finally intergrated into a single unified Federation Starfleet in the 2270s a fleet wide symbol based on the old UESPA logo was used...not much of a theory I know but a theory none the less.
Oh and Masao, I have a larger version of the Friendship One markings I did for the Valient if you'd like to have it.
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
I didn't realize that people thought the Starfleet symbol pre-TMP was anything other than the little yellow part of the banner below:
. . . a design on other starships and on the walls behind admirals and commodores when the Enterprise was talking to Starfleet Command.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Really? I don't recall seeing the boomerang delta anywhere else except on the original Constitutions and the Raven. Do you have screen-caps to back this up?
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
Sure, Rev. Either email it or post it here. Thanks.
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
I started a thread about this very fact a long time ago... I'll try and fish out the nice screen grab I had of the 'boomerang' from "Court Martial".
Andrew
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I had thought about posting that one, but I didn't realize it was still online...
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
That matches the shape on the NCC-1701's pennant stripes, natch.
BTW this should be the next capcom
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
I wonder if that glowy-window shape was intentionally the same shape, though. Perhaps it was another instance of 1960's 'cool'.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Did you notice the main body (middle section)? There are some tiny words written where you would expect the 'USS Starship United Federation of Planets'. And those are five words, probably saying United Earth Space Probe Agency. I only mention it bacause the nacelle label is a bit irritating; why did they add the -1 to UESPA? Is that some sort of registry? There's another thing written in the front part of the ship, just behind the large dish. Any thoughts what it could be?
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
That says "Friendship 1"
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
After seeing that pennant close up, I think it's really ugly. Perhaps in an attempt to "please the fans," they've managed to cram together a modified UN crest, the Enterprise shield, and the post-TOS Starfleet banner. It's a platypus (no offense meant to platypi)
Thanks for posting that Court Martial cap, Andrew.
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
quote:Perhaps in an attempt to "please the fans," they've managed to cram together a modified UN crest, the Enterprise shield, and the post-TOS Starfleet banner.
I wonder what other recent attempt to "please the fans" Masao could be alluding to. Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
On the other hand it could just be my crap drawing skills Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
TSN, I had it on my hard-drive... and put it up in my account's web-space... (I had previously taken it down... the thread was like months ago).
Can you remember which website did those caps? Or was it someone on here that did it after I mentioned the episode... gee It must have been last time TV1 here in Australia did a Star Trek marathon (season 1), they just had a season 1-2 marathon here this weekend. Fuck TOS is sooo good. People just don't realise.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
The screencap was done by me, off the "Court Martial" DVD.
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