I've been watching Relics yesterday and I noticed something odd I hadn't recognised before.
When the Enterprise tries to escape from the Dyson Sphere they beam Scotty and Geordie off the Jenol*n - but her shields are still up in order to keep the hatch doors jammed open. How is this possible? Are the shields so weak already that one can beam through, or was that just a mistake the production staff overlooked?
(And I hope this hasn't been answered before. I used the search function but couldn't find anything regarding that matter.)
Posted by Phycro Onyx (Member # 579) on :
YES!!!!!!!! someone finnally noticed!!!!!!!! no one would believe me but i saw it to and your absolutly right it is screwed up but there is a way for it to be possible they could have matched the transporter beam with the shield frequency that all i can come up with so far Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
It's no biggie. We know that Federation starships can beam through frequency windows, if those frequencies are known; we see it in "The Wounded", among other non-explicit episodes. Point being, as long as two ships need to transport stuff willingly bwteeen each other, there's a way to do it even through the shields.
Mark
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
That's right Mark. I hadn't thought of that. Thanx.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
What do you mean "finally noticed"? I thought this was rather well known. It's even explicitly mentioned in the Encyclopedia...
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
This is quite an old nitpick, which was put down to simple production oversight.
To comment on Mark's point, I hated that scene in The Wounded, not the fact that they could beam through the Phoenix's shields, but the fact that O'Brien blatantly gave a detailed description of how it could be done, and cited various details of Nebula Class shield frequency modulations -right in front of the Cardassians. Talk about security breaches.
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
I was more of a supporter of shield windows. Those TMP era ships still used multiple shields to form thier defensive bubble. They can probably drop parts of their side shields without dropping their fore and aft shields.
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
Or the ship is so old modern annular confinement beams can penetrate its shields, or exploit some now-repaired defect.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
On the same note, Voyager rarely had trouble beaming to unshielded destinations (cf. "Caretaker"), which supports the notion. I believe Rick Sternbach has said something to that effect - that beaming when the originating ship's shields are up isn't much of a problem anymore.
Mark
[ March 09, 2002, 17:52: Message edited by: Mark Nguyen ]
Posted by Golden Tiger (Member # 586) on :
Ok, my ideology on this...
Would be nice, first of all, if a screenshot of the starship that was destroyed (Jenolin) was posted. I do not have that screenshot...
The Jenolin was pinned in by the doors shown in the first image in the second post. The nose and tail of the ship was being squeased by the larger portions of the door (the top and bottom of the Enterprise in the first shot are facing those sides).
In the shot of the Jenolin you see shield effects on the nose and tail of the ship only!
It is proven in various non-cannon games (Star Trek 25th Anniversary, Star Trek Judgement Rights, Star Trek Starfleet Command, and others)that shields are in quadrents, or specific sections (this is mentioned in TOS, the episode where the Dolman of Elas was going to a planet to make peace and the Enterprise was rigged to explode if warp drive was cut in). The sections roughly go as follows... * is the ship and lines are shields (and I am horrable at ASCII art!) An I on the top and bottom indicates where two shield grids meet... --I-- | * | --I--
That is a rough drawing. Note that there are more than the 6 shield grids I tried to pitifully draw above. Anyways...
The Jenolin most likely only had the frontmost and aftmost shield quadrents raised and the two man crew of the Jenolin at that time put all power to those two sheilds (which can be done in Star Trek Starfleet Command). Thus, since the Enterprise was heading directly at the Jenolin from the Port side and the Port side shields were not raised, the crew could be beamed off (this can be done in Star Trek Starfleet Command... you can beam to a ship if the facing quadrent of shield is down (and you need to lower your facing quadrent to beam over...)).
In summary, the side of the Jenolin facing the Enterprise was not shielded hense the crew was rescued...
--------- Sidenote --------- The book "Relics" which came before the show ever was filmed was a lot better than the show. The Enterprise got trapped in the Dysan Sphere but was in no danger... They scaned the surface and found no lifeforms except for a small section which couldn't be scaned due to a sensor shield (an error in the book... the surface is quite large and would take a long time to scan). An away team was sent down to the surface to find no vegetation, walkways hundreds of feet above the ground going into building after building, each building had the walls comprised of a computer banks (solid black walls, must have been touch screens) that were no longer fuctional. The buildings were hundreds of feet high (most likely an avien race). There are some other things relating to Scotty in the book which were not on screen (read the book and you'll read about it! ). In the show I found it odd that the Enterprise can be ANYWHERE in the Sphere, but it chooses to orbit the sun at a close range, really close range, and get attacked by flares, at an extremely close range, until the Jenolin opens the hatch and the Enterprise flys DIRECTLY away from the sun to the hatch (since it was directly away, it takes more power... increasing your orbit over a period of time takes a lot less power but the crew didn't even try to do this before the Jenolin arrived). That I feel is a lot more serious nitpick in the show! Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
One could argue that they had restored partial power by the time the Jenol*n was able to open the hatch. This is indicated by Picard ordering the Helmsman to lay in a course and proceed at three quarter impulse, not full impulse, IIRC. What does the novel say about that bit?
Posted by darkwing_duck1 (Member # 790) on :
Another TOS reference to more than one shield was in Ultimate Computer.
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