A kind of dumb thing to worry about, but the other night I was trying to figure out precisely which ship classes have been mentioned by name in dialogue on any of the TV shows, or movies. All I could come up with was:
Constitution Class (not sure of when it was first mentioned in fact -an oft pondered point, although I know for sure it was in TNG's 'Relics' - this might actually be the only time, ever, that this class ship was given its class name in dialogue)
Daedalus Class Named in 'Power Play'
Soyuz Class Named in 'Cause And Effect'
Excelsior Class First named/portrayed in ST:III etc....
Antares Class I think first mentioned in 'Face of The Enemy'. But lets dispense with debating what this class is for now
Constellation Class First named in 'The Battle'
Nebula Class First mentioned in 'The Wounded'
Galaxy Class First mentioned in 'Encounter At Farpoint'
Defiant Class 'The Search', plus many other DS9 references.
Intrepid Class First so named in 'Caretaker'
Nova Class First named in 'Equinox'
Sovereign Class First named in ST: First Contact
And that's all! I think.
There's been other occasions where a prototype ship has been mentioned which might also count, such as the Bradbury, Yellowstone and the Prometheus. But I recall no mention, in dialogue, of any other classes, even the more major ones, like Ambassador Class, Oberth and Miranda. Maybe Danube Class has been mentioned by name, but I'm not sure..?
We also of course have some Enterprise info as well, NX Class, J Class, Surak Class (possibly) etc...
So can anyone else add to any of this?
[ April 01, 2002, 11:37: Message edited by: The Red Admiral ]
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Danube-class has been mentioned on-screen a few times. I can't remember which episodes exactly; I want to say that "Emissary" had a mention.
Sovereign-class hasn't been mentioned in dialog, yet. All we have going for it are some closeups of the master situation display that show the words "Sovereign Class" in big letters.
Miranda, Oberth, Akira, Steamrunner, Sabre, and Norway have not had mentions. I don't think that any of the ones we know from Mike Okuda have been mentioned on-screen, either (like Freedom, Rigel, etc.).
From Enterprise, we have the NX-class ships of the line. We've also heard mention of Y-class freighters. J-class I think is originally from The Original Series (as are F and S, I think. I'm fuzzy about this). Surak-class is actually something like Suurok and is a Vulcan class vessel.
[ April 01, 2002, 11:48: Message edited by: Siegfried ]
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
The Ambassador-Class was mentioned in TNG Conspiracy. The Danube-Class was mentioned in DS9 Hippocrathic Oath IIRC.
We've got the following classes from computerdisplays or dedication plaques: Apollo, Bradbury, Korolev, Merced, Miranda, New Orleans, Oberth, Prometheus, Renaissance, Sydney (could have been in dialogue too), Wells, Yellowstone
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
Oh yes, Y-Class, I forgot about that.
Are you sure that Sovereign Class has never been mentioned? I was positive that Picard mentioned it to Lily as they made their way through the ship back to the bridge. He gives a speech describing the various stats of the ship, and the Federation as a whole.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
I'll have to rewatch the movie, because I don't really remember him telling her the class name of the Enterprise. I remember the 24 decks, 150 worlds in the Federation, and all that. I could be wrong.
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
Cheers Spike, I was particularly interested in actual spoken references to the classes, but Ambassador, in 'Conspiracy', you say? Now that is interesting and it had quite passed me by. I'm gunna check that out.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Danube class wasnt mentioned in Emissary.. i think it wasnt said until a season or two later, if at all
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
i'm pretty sure that Ambassador class wasn't named until "Yesterday's Enterprise". the Horatio was simply called a heavy cruiser in "Conspiracy", if i recall correctly (and i'm 100% positive that i do).
[edited because i left a letter out of my own name. *sigh*]
--jacob
[ April 01, 2002, 13:23: Message edited by: EdipisReks ]
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
They certainly didn't say the words "Defiant class" in The Search.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
No, Ambassador-class wasn't mentioned in "Yesterday's Enterprise". In "Conspiracy" Data said something like: "The third is just coming into range... Heavy cruiser... Ambassador-class... U.S.S. Horatio."
[ April 01, 2002, 13:32: Message edited by: Spike ]
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
Anybody have "Conspiracy?" Seems that we always only guess what an episode says and no one ever looks at the episode.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
I hope that I get Season One on Tues..um..Thursday. I'll check it then.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
I remember "Ambassador-class heavy cruiser" from Conspiracy.
Danube-class from "Hippocratic Oath," although an earlier mention is concievable.
Defiant-class from "Valiant"
I guess more interesting would be ship classes that haven't yet had their names referenced in dialogue. Oberth? Miranda?
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
Yes, I've just reviewed the scene and Data's line was something like "the third ship is Ambassador Class, Heavy Cruiser". Worf had initially called the first two ships, Rutledge and Thomas Paine, Frigates, thought not called them New Orleans Class, unfortunately. The Enterprise-C was never referred to as Ambassador class though in 'Yesterday's Enterprise'.
Ok Sol, Defiant Class may not have been precisely mentioned in The Search, but it was the ship's first appearance. At some point or another in the series it must have been called Defiant Class.
Seigfried: I reviewed that scene from FC, and I believe you're right, Sovereign Class wasn't mentioned at that point in the movie, but I'm still sure it has been mentioned somewhere.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Well, I do. But I'm the one who told Spike the line at his request... Transcribed it into AOL Instant Messenger as it was being spoken.
--Jonah
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:I guess more interesting would be ship classes that haven't yet had their names referenced in dialogue. Oberth? Miranda?
Both class names appeared only on dedication plaques AFAIK (if that's what you're asking).
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
It wasn't actually, a fact which led to no small amount of gnashing of teeth among those of us who were the defenders of all that is good and right in the universe, as we were forced to deal with a thousand claims of Valiant class.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
I think that makes Horation the first and only ship that got a class name on-screen but no physical model.
I think they called the Hood an Excelsior-class-starship in 'Encounter at Farpoint'.
Oberth was never mentioned on-screen, Checkov just called it a 'scout-vessel' in STIII.
I thought they called the sharship Lantree a Miranda-class vessel, but I think it was just 'class 4-supply ship' or something.
I remember the scene from 'Hippocratic Oath', but no other scene. The Jem'Hadar said it was a Danube-class ship.
'Peregrine' was mentioned on-screen by Dukat, I think, in 'The Maquis', allthough we didn't get a design for the ship.
Posted by darkwing_duck1 (Member # 790) on :
DY-100 and DY-500 (Space Seed, TOS)
K'vort (Yesterday's Enterprise, TNG)
Vor'Cha (Redemption, TNG)
D-12 (Generations)
D-7 (Trials and Tribble-ations, DS9)
K'tinga (one of the later Voyager episodes)
B'rel (Rascals, TNG)
Galor (Sacrifice of Angels, DS9 [possibly earlier references, but that's the one I remember])
Keldon (Defiant, DS9)
D'kora (Force of Nature, TNG)
D'deridex (Tin Man, TNG [I think] also referred to as the Warbird class in The Defector, TNG)
That's all I can think of right now.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I believe "Peregrine" came from "Heart of Stone", and it was Kira or someone liek that who mentioned it.
And I'm pretty sure the name "Miranda class" has never been said in dialogue. After all, aren't there still people who insist upon calling it "Avenger class"?
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
"Avenger Class?" That's--as the British say it--rubbish.
Posted by Boris (Member # 713) on :
I'll just share this info about "Valiant-class"; my apologies to those who might know already, but it's something I recently learned from reading exactly two ancient posts by Doug Drexler and Mike Okuda in Google Groups...
After the name Valiant had been ditched in favor of Defiant to avoid confusion with Voyager, the next idea was that the Defiant would be a Valiant-class ship, not the first ship of its class. Okuda even had a dedication plaque made with an NCC- number. It was then decided to make the ship a prototype, at which point the Defiant received the familiar dedication plaque.
Of course, the writers then decided that the ship came from from Utopia Planitia, at which point Okuda threw up his hands in the air and never made another Defiant plaque.
And no, this is not an April's Fool joke.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
I remember some early models (like the one you could flap open and there was that small bridge set inside, with the tiny figures... ) called the ship a Valiant-class, too.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Defiant-class wasn't mentioned in "Valiant." Jake and Nog are in the runabout evading Dominion weapons fire when the Valiant comes on the scene. Jake says something to the effect of "It's the Defiant! No, wait, it's the Valiant?"
The only instance I can think of for hearing "Defiant-class" is the episode in season seven of Deep Space Nine where the Sao Paolo arrives at the station. Ezri Dax says, "I didn't know they were sending us another Defiant-class ship."
As far as Sovereign-class goes, if it's mentioned in dialog then it has to be in First Contact. I just rewatched Insurrection yesterday, and there's no mention of the Enterprise-E's ship class. I would check First Contact, but my copy of it is missing at the moment.
And, here's another one that I'm unsure about. How about the New Orleans class? I remember that we know it's a frigate from dialog, but was it called a "New Orleans class frigate" like the Ambassador class was?
Posted by Boris (Member # 713) on :
I just searched the scripts, and I can't find "Defiant-class" anywhere. Sovereign-class wasn't mentioned in FC or Insurrection.
[ April 01, 2002, 17:30: Message edited by: Boris ]
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
No, unfortunately, I said in the post on the last page, Worf only identifies the ships as Frigates.
I go along with Ezri Dax's line of the Sao Paulo being 'Defiant Class', it sounds familiar.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Ya know, I completely skipped over the New Orleans class in your last post, Red Admiral. That's what I get for speed-reading. Sorry 'bout that.
Anyway, I can't think of any other times any other class of ship was mentioned. I guess this shows us exactly how much of what we take for granted as the norm of Star Trek is from background information and the like. Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Didn't EMH Mark II call his ship a "Prometheus Class"?
Did we get 'Toran Class Shuttlecraft' in "Gambit"?
there's also "Starship Class" ;o)
"Tactical Cube" in Unimatrix Zero?
Romulan Interceptor in "Little Green Men"
A Kazon predator class?? in some episode?
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
Ah, well I was just concentrating on Federation starships right now, but by all means, keep reeling them off....
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I don't think that EMH-2 mentioned the words "Prometheus Class", but I'm pretty sure that he specifically called the ship a prototype. Therefore, it's the Prometheus Class, using the same logic as was used for the Excelsior in ST 3.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
I believe Constitution class was first mentioned in "The Naked Now" when Picard was reading info about the events from "The Naked Time"
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
i reviewed my tape too, and i stand corrected.
--jacob
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Boris: What do your scripts claim that Dax said, then? 'Cause I distinctly remember that "Defiant-class ship" line, too.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
There was a line about the Valiant being "Defiant class" in the episode Valiant. I remember because Ron Moore told his AOL talkback that he made a point of sticking it in there to silence the Valiant-class online hordes for once and for all.
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
I checked my tape of "The Dogs of War". Ezri's exact line is "I didn't know we were getting another Defiant-class ship".
I didn't check "Valiant" but I'm quite sure the class name was not mentioned.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
I've been searching the archives on a few Star Trek sites that have a topic on "The Valiant." So far, I can't find anything about mentioning "Defiant-class" other than Ron Moore in the AOL Talkback archives on TrekWeb stating that he was intentionally putting "Defiant-class" in the script to settle the debate. However...
I have a vague recollection of there being some disappointment because the line, for whatever reason, was cut from the final version. I remember this, but I can't seem to find anything about that here or elsewhere. I really hope I'm not going crazy just days before my birthday. They don't let you have cake in the asylums.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
Damn memories implanted by suggestion!
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Tell me about. The other day, I was actually convinced that I was a member of the Green Party instead of the respectable Republican that I am. I think. The voices are telling me that it's time for bed now.
Posted by Boris (Member # 713) on :
Oops, the line *is* there. Sorry. My old search program (now past the shareware limits ) doesn't recognize the hyphen, so I was used to typing "Defiant class". It seems Windows Search has different rules.
[ April 02, 2002, 04:28: Message edited by: Boris ]
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
I would've expected better from you, Boris. Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Yes, "Defiant Class" was MOST DEFINATELY mentioned in "Valiant"... how soon we forget... ;o)
Posted by Boris (Member # 713) on :
Hey, I don't care about info I don't need. It's not like the Defiant could be NX-class or something...
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
AndrewR: I honestly don't think Defiant-class was mentioned in "Valiant". Do you remember which part it was in? I just don't feel like watching the entire episode to check.
Posted by NightWing (Member # 4) on :
Wasn't the Excelsior class mentioned in ST:6?
And we assumed the Prometheus (the one with the EMH-2) would be Prometheus class because the registry (either of the two possibilities) has NX in it. Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Dax: I don't wanna have to watch it again - at the moment - but I think it was when the Valiant came to the aid of Nog and Jake.
But I remember the hoopla over there FINALLY being the Defiant Class reference that would end the V/D debate. Someone on here has all the TNG and DS9 scripts on CD-ROM.
Andrew
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
You see, I have to agree with Dax. I don't think that "Defiant-class" was mentioned at all in the episode. And the conversation between Nog and Jake, as I remember it, goes something like Jake saying "It's the Defiant! No... wait... it's the Valiant?"
If someone has the episode, can he or she please check it out? If I am going senile, I'd like to know now.
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
I remember there being two or three references that the Valiant was similar to the Defiant, but I don't think Defiant-class was actually said. Bugger it, I might just watch the episode again tomorrow - although it will be about the fifth time I've seen it, and it's not even that good.
As for the scripts, I personally don't entirely trust 'em.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Nor I.
The *ONLY* place the words "Defiant-class" were mentioned in that order and with that intent is in "The Dogs of War". Ezri says it, and there was quite a bit of talk on it when she finally did and put the whole "Valiant-class" thing to rest. And I'm willing to bet money on it.
Mark
Posted by Malnurtured Snayer (Member # 411) on :
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Posted by Mover (Member # 417) on :
Yep, I agree Snayer
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
allow me to second this...
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Posted by U//Magnus (Member # 239) on :
So, was the Valiant specifically named Defiant-Class or not? Maybe it's a variant of the Defiant class with quantum torpedo launchers, called the Valiant-Class. Maybe NX-74210-C?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
As a matter of fact, I seem to recall the uproar surrounding "Valiant" was the fact that they didn't say it, and we all wished they had.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
"Defiant class" was at least on the Valiant's dedication plaque.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
What's everyone agreeing with Snay about?
Anyway, the "Valiant" episode uproar *was* about their attempt to call it a Defiant-class ship, but with it coming off only that it *wasn't* a Valiant-class ship. The only clue in that episode (which I have on tape) was Nog saying that the NCC number was 74210, thus higher than Defiant, thus newer, thus NOT the class ship. We were all rather upset at that, but the episode more-or-less did its job. We simply didn't hear "Defiant-class" until "The Dogs of War".
Mark
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
So, I wasn't going crazy then, was I? I am sane, right? Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
OK I've watched "Valiant" again. All I'll say is "I told you so".
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Thank god we settled this.. now i can return to having normal bowel movements! Coupla tense moments for me, but now everything should run smoothly...
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