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Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :

A guy emailed me stating I'd missed the USS Jupiter off my list for Akira Class vessels.

I said "what"?

I'd never heard of this ship. His explanation, and tale, goes as follows:

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There's one more Akira on the list that's official, but the number for it doesn't exist. The USS Jupiter, the one in ST: Armada. (Paramount and the CCG people made sure it was official, but kept their heads down by not giving it a real reg number...

Although I don't consider any part of any 'video game' canon at all, I was not aware of any kind of Paramount involvement in this. Can anyone confirm this story at all....?

Posted by Matrix (Member # 376) on :

No not canon. Unless it was on TV it's not canon. Unless there's a new rule I haven't heard. However the USS Juipter is a Akira class CCG card they put inside the ST: Armada. I liked it back in the day when I collected the cards.

Posted by Magnus Pym Eye (Member # 239) on :

"However the USS Juipter is a Akira class CCG card they put inside the ST: Armada."

Other way around.

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Paramount has a hand in anything with the words "Star Trek" written on it, more or less, but there concerns are almost entirely limited to "Don't put boobies in it!" rather than vetting each ship for appropriate canonocity.

Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :

I really doubt that the Jupiter showed up anywhere aside from the two games. Just because Paramount wants to make things sound "official" doesn't make them canon. Their idea of "official" is just to make it sound more important to drooling, unintelligent fanboys than unfortunately give the rest of us Treknologists a bad name.

Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :

Oh well that's fair enough then. My doubts are confirmed. This ship won't be making it onto my list.

Posted by iam2xtreme (Member # 836) on :

In case anyone was wondering the registry on the card was NCC-71287.

Posted by Proteus (Member # 212) on :

Paramount had direct contact with Activision regaurding Armada and Armada 2. Foundation Imaging models were used, and 'official' information was used in the game. If Activision had its way, Armada technologies/timelines would be canon. They are very proud of that series.

I think we need three catagories.

Canon - Movies, Television (excludes TAS)
Offical - Paramount-related and canon

Fan Universe - The third of course would be fan created materials, novels and such.

Sounds good to me. Yep. This is the new system. i formally declare it.

Posted by Cherry Dukhat (Member # 341) on :

I have a screencap of the Jupiter, if anyone wants to see it.

AFAIK, every Akira class ship seen in FC, DS9, and Voyager was labeled "U.S.S. Thunderchild." If the original Foundation model was used, I don't know if this affected what we saw on screen. When was this game made?

Posted by Prismatic EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :

armada is from 2000, i believe.

Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :

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Originally posted by Cherry Dukhat:
I have a screencap of the Jupiter, if anyone wants to see it.

AFAIK, every Akira class ship seen in FC, DS9, and Voyager was labeled "U.S.S. Thunderchild." If the original Foundation model was used, I don't know if this affected what we saw on screen. When was this game made?

What about those we saw on DS9's 'Tears of the Prophets'? I heard the tale (and it isn't more than that) that the Akira drifting through the scene after the platforms are activated was the Trotzky. Like I said, a tale after the first airing of the show, but combined with the fact that most of those vessels had names it was a powerful one.

As for the Jupiter, the ship (and another one, can't remember the name) were Enterprise's escort in the first mission. I don't think they ever mentioned the vessel's name, but since that name was one of the possible names for newly built Akiras, it was absolutely possible you got the ship several times during the game, maybe even several times in a mission if the old Jupiter was destroyed.

I have the card, and if I remember correctly it also said the ship was commanded by a Captain Satek or Satelk or something and was the first vessel with a chain reaction pulsar weapon. Since this was the standard special weapon upgrade of all Akiras, it's as stupid. I really don't know why the ship was featured so prominently on that card (and the CCG trailer on the CD, which had a short CGI-video sequence with that ship, too) allthough it was olny one of many vessels in the game.

Posted by Captain... Mike (Member # 709) on :

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Excerpt from Captain Mike's Trekker's Galactopedia

Jupiter, U.S.S.

Federation starship, Akira-class
strike cruiser, Starfleet registry NCC-71627. Commanded by Captain Satelk, the Jupiter is the first vessel to be fitted with an experimental
chain-pulsar weapons system. In 2376 the Jupiter helped the starship Enterprise defend the timeship Premonition from a Borg attack.("Armada" [Interplay]). The Jupiter is one of the supporting starships in the video game, and has been featured in a multimedia tie-in in the form of the Decipher Star Trek CCG as a special Akira-class chase card.

I'm assuming that'd be the captain Satelk featured in TNG "The first duty"

[ August 08, 2002, 22:48: Message edited by: Captain... Mike ]

Posted by Captain... Mike (Member # 709) on :

wah i cant edit anymore. i think we should have like 6 hours to edit posts, not two!

Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :

I thought he was the head of an Academy department (in other words a 'soon-to-be-promoted-to-admiral'-ish assignment)?

(BTW, A1 is from Activision, the guys later formed their own developement team, Mad Doc, for A2)

Posted by Captain... Mike (Member # 709) on :

maybe he is just a 'career captain' killing time at the academy til he can get another assignment.. who knows, maybe thats what Johnny Picard did for nine years until the 1701-D came along..

i've fixed the mistake in the Galactopedia, but i cant edit that post so it remains forever as a testament to my rsearch process.

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

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Originally posted by Proteus:
Paramount had direct contact with Activision regaurding Armada and Armada 2. Foundation Imaging models were used, and 'official' information was used in the game. If Activision had its way, Armada technologies/timelines would be canon. They are very proud of that series.

And I'm sure Michael Jan Friedman is very proud of his Trek novels. And I'm sure that every fan ever is dead proud of their Post-Dominion war Federation in tatters Big Ships With Lotsa Phasers stories that they have written. And I'm sure that they would all LOVE for them to be considered canon. Doesn't mean it's going to happen (thank god).

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I think we need three catagories.

Canon - Movies, Television (excludes TAS)
Offical - Paramount-related and canon

Fan Universe - The third of course would be fan created materials, novels and such.

Sounds good to me. Yep. This is the new system. i formally declare it.

We do already have something like that. Canon being the filmed stuff, semi-canon being the Encylopdia and whatnot, and then everything else.