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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Felix the Kzin</b> <br /><small>Member # 646</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,27,15,55,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 27, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:55 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I've heard mention of the noticeable differences between the NCC-1017 from "The Doomsday Machine" (TOS) and the NCC-1701 on several occasions, but never noticed any myself.<br /><br />The Constellation was represented by an AMT model, so I guess the real question is what are the differences between AMT's kit and the TOS studio model?<br /><br />-<b>Ftk</b> <img src="http://lobotomy.pleh.net/~flareupload/uploads/646/felixthekzin.gif" alt=" - " /><br /><br />P.S.<br /><br />Yes, I know. <br /><br />I'm about to be cascaded with replies saying things like "Look it up yourself, lazy ass!" and "Do your own <i>fucking</i> research!" <br /><br />But I don't really care... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>MinutiaeMan</b> <br /><small>Member # 444</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,27,16,24,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 27, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:24 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I've got one of those AMT Enterprises myself... although my model was purchased less than ten years ago -- they certainly could have changed things since the first releases in the 60's...<br /><br />Obviously there's a great difference in the quality of the materials and detailing on the hull (even considering how un-detailed the studio model was). However, allowing for that, I believe that most of the features are basically the same. It's got the balls on the backs of the nacelles, the small deflector dish, and the lower-draft bridge module. To my eye, I'm perfectly happy to believe that the Constellation is identical to the Enterprise.<br /><br />As for why the ship looks so much smoother in comparison, well that's easy -- the blasts from the Planet Killer melted the top layer of hull down, and erased all the detailing! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> (The real world reason being that there wasn't enough detailing on the AMT kit to appear on film in the aired episode.)<br /><br />But then, you seem to be interested in finding yet ANOTHER variant of the Constitution Class, right? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> (Sorry, sorry...) <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Felix the Kzin</b> <br /><small>Member # 646</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,27,16,37,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 27, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:37 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by MinutiaeMan:<br /><strong>But then, you seem to be interested in finding yet ANOTHER variant of the Constitution Class, right? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> (Sorry, sorry...)</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually, quite the opposite. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> I've got some folks on the TrekBBS <i>insisting</i> that differences in the AMT kit are justifiable cause to explain the Constellation's registry number. (It's not "really" a Constituion-class vessel, just a very similar make of starship. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> ) I wanted to dispute it, but felt like I should have the facts first.<br /><br />What about the shape of the bridge module? It it teardrop-shaped like the studio model, or egg-shaped like the Franz Joseph prints? Also, how does it compare in profile? (ie, the shape of the secondary hull and saucer curvature, etc...)<br /><br />-<b>FtK</b> <img src="http://lobotomy.pleh.net/~flareupload/uploads/646/felixthekzin.gif" alt=" - " /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Masao</b> <br /><small>Member # 232</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,27,17,14,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 27, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:14 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I haven't handled this kit in about 20 years, but if I remember correctly, aren't the nacelles simple cylinders without any taper at the end? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>USSMillennium74754</b> <br /><small>Member # 822</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,27,17,16,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 27, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:16 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> You might be interested in this link:<br /><br /><a href="http://www.culttvman.com/jay_chladek_s_enterprise_kit_h.html" target="_blank">http://www.culttvman.com/jay_chladek_s_enterprise_kit_h.html</a><br /><br />It details all the variations in the different releases of the AMT kit. Quite a few pics, too. (On first impression, it seems as if the bridge was the FJ-style egg shaped one.) <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>MinutiaeMan</b> <br /><small>Member # 444</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,27,20,9,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 27, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:09 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Upon closer examination, it turns out that Masao's right. (So sue me; I'm lazy and didn't get up to look at the ship sitting on the shelf eight feet away from me... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> ) <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Ryan McReynolds</b> <br /><small>Member # 28</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,27,20,20,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 27, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:20 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The Deck 2-3 superstructure is egg-shaped, not teardrop... the <i>Constellation</i> also had no balls on the end of her nacelles, so she was clearly one of the earliest AMT model variants. All in all, she was actually midway between the TOS and FJ versions of the ship. I think AMT and FJ both used the original Jeffries drawings as references, since they all make the same errors. Intersting that people rarely remember that FJ's version of the ship is pretty much the one Jeffries drew for <i>The Making of Star Trek</i>. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Captain-class, Mike-variant</b> <br /><small>Member # 709</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,27,20,52,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 27, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:52 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Ryan McReynolds:<br /><strong>the <i>Constellation</i> also had no balls..</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">aint it the truth though... <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Starship Freak</b> <br /><small>Member # 293</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,27,23,36,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 27, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:36 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, this is a fairly old debate isn�t it? There are 4 variants of the constitution-class just judging by the nacelles.<br /><br />Check out my page and se the Constellation, there is also substantial differences on the rear of the saucer:<br /> <a href="http://www.stguardian.to/fed/constitution/" target="_blank">Constitution</a> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>darkwing_duck1</b> <br /><small>Member # 790</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,30,16,39,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 30, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:39 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Captain-class, Mike-variant:<br /><strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Ryan McReynolds:<br /><strong>the <i>Constellation</i> also had no balls..</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">aint it the truth though...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I wouldn't say that...Scotty was able to get the gallant lady up and running again with just a few men. He was even able to recharge a phaser bank.<br /><br /><i>Constellation</i> was a tribute to her class, durable and resiliant. She gave her all for her sister, the <i>Enterprise</i> and deserves to be better spoken of... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Austin Powers</b> <br /><small>Member # 250</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,30,16,55,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 30, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:55 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Why is everyone talking about the Constellation being made from an AMT model kit? (I know, I've heard the theory myself, but I don't believe it.)<br /><br />On Star Trek - The Exhibition they displayed the studio model of the U.S.S. Valkyrie. <br />This was the official Constellation studio model first seen as the Stargazer I believe.<br /><br />This model is about 1.5 metres long. No way this was made from an AMT kit.<br />I have a somewhat crazy theory, yet hear me out before you start bashing... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <br /><br />I think they took the Phase II Enterprise model and used the saucer and nacelles as a basis for the Constellation. Then they added all the other parts to it.<br />Anyone who has "The Art of Star Trek" can look into the chapter on Phase II. The pics of the half-finished Enterprise clearly show it to have a very smooth saucer surface - which would comply with the comments about the Constellation having a very smooth surface. <br />Also look at the shape and the details on the saucer - they seem almost identical to the Constellation.<br /><br />So much for my theory - comments? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Dat</b> <br /><small>Member # 302</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,30,17,1,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 30, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:01 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> Um, we're talking about the other Constellation. NCC-1017. That one. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Roll Eyes]" src="rolleyes.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Austin Powers</b> <br /><small>Member # 250</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,30,17,12,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 30, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:12 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> To cite Will Smith/Jeff Goldblum from ID4:<br /><br />Ooops! <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>PsyLiam</b> <br /><small>Member # 73</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,30,17,48,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 30, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:48 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Starship Freak's site has made me think of something. At one point during "Requiem for Methuselah", the Enterprise is shrunk down and put on a table. As tends to happen. Anyway, the model used has balls on the end of the nacelles. Is this the AMT kit? I didn't think the AMT kit had balls on the end of the nacelles until after the series had finished. And if it's a superior, more accurate version, how come they could afford to build it for this, but not for "The Doomsday Machine"? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Siegfried</b> <br /><small>Member # 29</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,30,18,57,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 30, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:57 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> From <a href="http://www.stinsv.com/" target="_blank">Star Trek In Sound and Vision</a>, I pulled <a href="http://lobotomy.pleh.net/~flareupload/uploads/29/throat.jpg" target="_blank">this aft view</a> of the Constellation entering the planet killer.<br /><br />The two things that jump out at me that I don't think have been mentioned yet are the hangar bay and the impulse engines. It looks like the hangar bay is flattened; it doesn't look quite as round as the Enterprise's. The second thing is that the impulse drive's configuration differs from the Enterprise's. On the Enterprise, she has two rectangles. On the Constellation, I think she had a series of circles or squares (although you can't see much of anything in this picture). <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> <br /><small>Member # 30</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,30,19,41,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 30, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:41 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I think Liam is thinking of "Catspaw," though it has been a very long time since I saw the other. And the Enterprise was tiny, and made of pewter. As I recall. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>PsyLiam</b> <br /><small>Member # 73</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,7,30,20,35,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">August 30, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:35 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I am not, as I will now prove by stealing Starship Freak's bandwidth.<br /><br />Catspaw:<br /><br /> <img src="http://www.stguardian.to/fed/constitution/constitutionmodel.jpg" alt=" - " /> <br /><br />RFM:<br /><br /> <img src="http://www.stguardian.to/fed/constitution/constitutionmodel01.jpg" alt=" - " /> <br /><br />Give me money.<br /><br />And on Siegy's point, The Cage Enterprise also had different impulse engines, although I am not sure how. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Wraith</b> <br /><small>Member # 779</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,8,1,6,21,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 01, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:21 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Actually, I've just had an idea about how to explain the reg number of the Constellation. She'd just been in dock for repairs to her saucer and the yard techs were a little dyslexic and repainted her hull with NCC-1017 instead of NCC-1710 and didn't have the time to repaint again before she deployed. Simple as that. Problem solved. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Dat</b> <br /><small>Member # 302</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,8,1,15,44,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 01, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:44 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Which would conflict with the Kongo had the Constellation's number really been 1710. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>MrNeutron</b> <br /><small>Member # 524</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,8,2,1,20,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 02, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:20 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by PsyLiam:<br /><strong>Starship Freak's site has made me think of something. At one point during "Requiem for Methuselah", the Enterprise is shrunk down and put on a table. As tends to happen. Anyway, the model used has balls on the end of the nacelles. Is this the AMT kit? I didn't think the AMT kit had balls on the end of the nacelles until after the series had finished. And if it's a superior, more accurate version, how come they could afford to build it for this, but not for "The Doomsday Machine"?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I believe that's the oroiginal 3-footer Enterprise miniature built prior to the 11 footer we know and love. As I recall, it's much too big to be an AMT kit. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Wraith</b> <br /><small>Member # 779</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,8,2,10,35,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 02, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:35 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Dat:<br /><strong>Which would conflict with the Kongo had the Constellation's number really been 1710.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Or whatever. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Dr. Phlox</b> <br /><small>Member # 878</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,8,2,11,34,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 02, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:34 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by MrNeutron:<br /><strong>I believe that's the oroiginal 3-footer Enterprise miniature built prior to the 11 footer we know and love. As I recall, it's much too big to be an AMT kit.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">That must be the one that William Shatner holds in the TOS publicity photo with a model of the Enterprise. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Dax</b> <br /><small>Member # 191</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2002,8,2,11,46,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">September 02, 2002</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:46 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Indeed it is. For some reason the 18" AMT model seems to be more closely based on the 3' miniature than the proper 11' one too. <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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