Can anyone tell me the locations of the fore/aft torpedo launchers on the Steamrunner-class? In the movie First Contact, where do the torps come from (or does the Appalachia fire any?).
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
I just had a look on the DVD for you and the Steamrunner is never seen fireing anything but phasers. However the model was of such a low resolution and the details were so blurry that the tubes could be anywhere.
On an assosiated topic, while freeze framing through I noticed that nearly all the Steamrunners seen were almost instantly destroyed. It looks like the ILM boys really liked destroying that mesh, they even blew one up after the Cube was defeated. Now that's just vindictive. Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I would speculate that the torpedo launchers are located in the notched "nose" area, maybe just below those horrid shuttlebay-like doors.
Posted by EdipisReks (Member # 510) on :
quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan: I would speculate that the torpedo launchers are located in the notched "nose" area, maybe just below those horrid shuttlebay-like doors.
that makes sense to me.
Posted by Woodside Kid (Member # 699) on :
For that matter, they could be in the underslung pod between the nacelles.
Posted by TheF0rce (Member # 533) on :
No wonder this ship takes a hit and blows up.
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
Both the pod and the notches sound good - fore and aft.
Decisions, decisions...
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Strange, I've always considers those "doors" in the front notch to be auxillery deflectors since I'm sure I've seen them glow blue around the edges. On the other hand that glow could be a sign of an atmospheric containment field, perhaps a second look is warrented.
Having the launchers in the outboard pod would be an explosive combination if it took a hit, especially if the warp core in in there too.
Posted by Woodside Kid (Member # 699) on :
If the warp core is in the main body of the ship, then it would be no more "explosive" than the setup on the Miranda. Since there seems to be very little in the way of a connection between the pod and the main hull (unless you want to run a turbolift shaft through one of the nacelles), having main engineering in the pod would be very inconvenient for the crews.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
The whole setup smacks of a somewhat "noncombatant" ship to me. No evidence of torpedo tubes, not much in the way of shielding or other survivability, no direct access to engineering spaces...
In other words, this could be an "auxiliary" vessel instead of a frontline combatant. With one HUGE shuttlebay door. An assault transport of some sort, with minimal phaser armament. Finally, a Starfleet ship with an actual mission-specific design!
The role of the Steamrunners in "FC" would have been the same as the poor Bonestell's in "Emissary" - cannonfodder used because it was available at the location at the time. The ships would serve in a more relevant role in the Dominion war, carrying troops to planets to be occupied or something like that.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
That would be interesting to see a modern ship without torp launchers finally. I've seen usually ships from the Movie era like the Oberth and Miranda Classes that basically are sitting ducks.
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
I'm going with the premise that the vessel is a fighter-carrier. I would have made it a through-deck carrier, except that the forward doors are on deck 8, while the aft doors are on deck 7. Also, the forward and aft doors do not line up laterally.
I doubt the warp core is in the deflector pod.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Yeah, but there are a couple of Steamrunners right at the front of Sisko's fleet at the 2nd battle of Chin'toka, in The Changing Face of Evil. Hardly noncombatant, I'd say.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
I really don't like the idea of a dedicated figher carrier, to me that's a far too militaristic designation for a starfleet ship. A medium support vessel that's been refitted with light weaponary however, is quite accept able.
I know that's splitting the hair quite thin but I we should try to remember that starfleet vessels are supposed to be geared towards a more peaceful, scientific/diplomatic/engineering purpose first and a defensive (not offensive) role second. Of couse the Defiant, Prometheus and maybe the Entente are exceptions to this rule.
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
Starfleet mightn't call their starships "warship" or "battle cruiser", but that's effectively what most are. Fact is, most Starfleet ships are at least as heavily armed as the dedicated warships used by the Klingons and Cardassians.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Steamrunners were out in force in the fleet at the end of "Call to Arms".
Don't forget the fleet during FC had been battling the Borg vessel for a while before the Enterprise (and we) got there. Maybe the Steamrunners had been there longer or in there first and used up all of their torpedoes (thus not seeing any being fired) and they were in there for so long that they were close to destruction.
Andrew
Posted by TheF0rce (Member # 533) on :
quote:Originally posted by Woodside Kid: If the warp core is in the main body of the ship, then it would be no more "explosive" than the setup on the Miranda. Since there seems to be very little in the way of a connection between the pod and the main hull (unless you want to run a turbolift shaft through one of the nacelles), having main engineering in the pod would be very inconvenient for the crews.
Well, if the warp core is in the main body, then double the power is needed to go through the nacelles to power the deflector on the pod.
A shrapnel hit to the nacelles would take out both warp and deflector, and then cuasing some feedback into the warp core which ultimately destroys the ship, just like in FC. Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
You have a point.
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
Excellent point - sound very much like Starfleet Engineering to me...
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Although. . . I'm not too sure about the deflector requiring the same amount of energy as a set of warp nacelles? Or am I just taking the 'double the power' comment too literally?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Steamrunners were out in force in the fleet at the end of "Call to Arms".
Don't forget the fleet during FC had been battling the Borg vessel for a while before the Enterprise (and we) got there. Maybe the Steamrunners had been there longer or in there first and used up all of their torpedoes (thus not seeing any being fired) and they were in there for so long that they were close to destruction.
Andrew
I've often thought about that as well. At maximum warp it still took the Enterprise over three hours to arrive at the battle. ALOT of fed ships were doubtlessly destroyed while fighting a retreating battle from the Typhon sector to Earth. Either the Steamrunners were called in as renforcements or were in route from more distant locations and got to the fight late. ...or the Steamrunner is very tough and the ships we see getting nailed had been taking a pounding (like Defiant) for a while prior to Enterprise's arrival. I'd imagine that the Borg dispatched the ships they were familliar with first: explaining why there was only one Nebula left and no Galaxy's or Excelsiors. Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: I'd imagine that the Borg dispatched the ships they were familliar with first: explaining why there was only one Nebula left and no Galaxy's or Excelsiors.
Come to think of it, it seems like a minor miracle that there wasn't any Excelsiors seen in the battle. Considering how common they were in the Dominion War battles anyway.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Mabye Starfleet knew that sending Excelsiors and Mirandas would be so much pissing in the wind....of course these are the brainiacs that sent an Oberth into battle at 359. (I'm sure that the Miranda briefly shown is supposed to be the Boseman: mentioned in the comm chatter).
Of course the real reason we did not see any Galaxys was to avoid confusion among the casual viewer as to what ship the Enterprise was. It also explains why none of the First Contact ships is much larger than an Excelsior. Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
The only Bozeman we know of isn't a Miranda, and if there's a Bozeman out there we don't know about there's no reason for it to be a Miranda.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
. . . and there were two Mirandas anyway. Both seen clearly enough to remove any possibility they might actually be Soyuz-class.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
quote:Of course the real reason we did not see any Galaxys was to avoid confusion among the casual viewer as to what ship the Enterprise was.
Of course, by the time the Borg battle scenes come, we had already seen the E-E. ("We" also includes the casual viewer as when we first see her, she was alone and had Picard's log entry over it along with the Observation Lounge scene right after it... so that the casual viewer should have deduced it was the E-E. But, then of course, the producers and TPTB think we're dumb.
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sol System: The only Bozeman we know of isn't a Miranda, and if there's a Bozeman out there we don't know about there's no reason for it to be a Miranda.
It's entirely feasible that the Bozeman was refit to Miranda standard. It's pretty clear the Miranda-class well outlived the Soyuz-class so there must be some benefit to the Miranda configuration.
Along with the FC appearance, I also think that the Miranda seen at the end of Generations was the Bozeman.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I'd never considered that the Miranda in Generations could be the Bozeman.....it makes sense. Starfleet would likely keep that crew togeather to speed up the learning curve for the new technology. I agree that the Bozeman would be refitted into a Miranda configuration. The crew of the Bozeman is probably somewhat famous among starfleet as living icons of the past, but I just can't picture Kelsey Grammer in a DS9 era uniform. I'd imagine that any ship captains assigned to older ships like a Miranda or Excelsior were looking at re-assignment to brand new ships as starfleet rebuilds in a panic after the Dominion war. There must be a large shortage in experienced captains for the new vessels. Mabye "Fraiser" got an uprated Akira to command or at least a Sabre....
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
Rumour has it that it's Kelsey Grammers voice in FC (the "acknowledged" from the Bozeman) but I don't think it's ever been confirmed.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
It never has been. Most think it's just Worf, and it's distorted enough to be acceptable as such.
Mark
Posted by O Captain Mike Captain (Member # 709) on :
i dont think it sounds like Worf at all. sounds like the real deal to me.
BTW, the 'Ship of the Line' novel states that Bateson was given command of a new Bozeman after the Soyuz was decommissioned. this is not an invitation for anyone to insult the novel, just stating a fact.
just because we didnt see a bozeman, doesnt mean it wasnt there. lots of ships were undoubtedly disabled or destroyed before the e-e got there
Posted by O Captain Mike Captain (Member # 709) on :
[grr]
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
The first time I heard it, I said, "That was Kelsey Grammer's voice as Bateson!" I think it's definitely his voice. I heard a rumor some time ago that mentioned he had spoken it into a handheld tape recorder while using the lou at Paramount.
No idea if that's accurate, but I think it's definitely his voice.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
We've debated that for years. All we know is that for a while this fact was listed on the IMDb's page, then it vanished.
Posted by Endeavour3d (Member # 901) on :
well I just listened to the segment, and it really sounds like him, of course this is quite debateable. I guess the only way to find out for sure is to mail Kelsey Grammer and ask him Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Or stalk him until we get an opportunity to approach him personally...
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
...Or accept the notion that it was NEITHER of them, and just some random comm officer...
Mark
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
Hmmm, I wonder if there's a "random comm officer" named in the credits. I personally can't be bothered checking though.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Well, there's no credit for the Big Borg Voice, either. Or the Officer Who Either Says Hanson Or Manson.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Someone should storm the "Fraiser" set and ask him!!
Its a wonder there hasn't been more "Cheers" actors guest starring on Trek. Would "Carla" have made a good Ferengi!?! ;o)
We've had Bebe Newirth, Kelsey Grammar and Kirsty Alley.
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