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Originally posted by Dukhat:
No, Quark & the girls were actually on the Ticonderoga while speaking with Picard. Which of course begs the question as to why Starfleet is in the habit of ferrying Ferengi and Dabo girls around. This scene was probably cut for the best.

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Much less why Starfleet was ferrying Quark and Dabo girls to a rather sensitive part of space, shortly after a major battle. I somehow doubt that the Ticonderoga was a passenger ship...
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
Two things:

1.) The ship wasn't there to tow the Enterprise anywhere. (The ship was in need of no such assistance at the end of this film. I'm assuming you just got your thought mixed up with Hemingway from Nemesis. ) It was there to facilitate the planet's becoming a Federation protectorate.

2.) According to the revised final-draft script, Quark and his Dabo girls did indeed show up ON the planet. The Ticonderoga was merely mentioned verbally by Worf as having arrived ain orbit. This was all part of the ending sequence with everyone standing/walking around the Ba'ku village. Here's an excerpt from the script:

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ANIJ
What am I going to do without
you?

Picard reacts, slightly surprised that she has
anticipated that he has to go.

PICARD
These are perilous times for the
Federation. I can't abandon it
to people who would threaten
everything I've spent a lifetime
defending.

PICARD (CONT'D)
I'm going back to Earth to...
slow things down... at the
Federation Council.

She nods, she knows...

PICARD
But I have three hundred and
eighteen days of vacation time
coming. I plan on using them.

ANIJ
I'll be here.

Worf moves over...

WORF
Captain, the Ticonderoga has
moved into orbit.

QUARK'S VOICE
Worf!

They turn to see a Ferengi (QUARK) approaching in a
bathing suit with a beach umbrella and two barely dressed
Dabo girls...

WORF
What are you doing here, Quark?

QUARK
The same thing everyone else in
the quadrant is going to be doing
here... as soon as I build the
greatest spa in the galaxy...
(sotto)
... these people don't have any
religious thing about casinos do
they...?

PICARD
There aren't going to be any spas
on this planet.

QUARK
Do I know you?

PICARD
(ignoring the question)
This world is about to become a
Federation protectorate, which
will end any and all attempts at
exploitation by people like you.

QUARK
Explain to me how five thousand
time-share units... right there
along the lake... would be
'exploiting' anyone.

PICARD
Mister Worf, have this
uninvited... offlander and his
guests beamed to the Enterprise.
We'll deposit them at Deep Space
Nine.

WORF
Must you, sir?

Worf takes Quark away by the scruff of his beach shirt...
his disappointed babes follow ...trailing away --

QUARK
You'll hear from my Nagus.

They're gone.

ANIJ
Do you really think your mighty
Federation would be interested in
protecting six hundred people?

PICARD
The "mighty" Federation could
learn a few things from this
village...

He kisses her. The signature humming bird appears,
sweeping up in the breeze and hovers briefly in front of
them... and as he takes her hand to his cheek...

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So no, I don't think the Ticonderoga was ever intended to be shown in the first place.

As to why the ship would have been carrying Quark? Your guess is as good as mine. Perhaps he had a 'contact' on board. (Read as: "Perhaps he bribed someone." ) IMO the movie wouldn't have suffered for having this light moment in there, as it was already past the point where the dramatic conflict had been resolved and things were in a light mood anyway, what with Data & friends tumbling about in the haystacks, etc.

-MMoM
 

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Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
 
How did Worf get on the Enterprise in this movie? Was he aboard a runabout traveling from Earth to DS9 from a vacation, right? Could Quark have been reasonably written in to come with Worf in that part of the movie? --- of course this doesn't explain how he was transported down to the surface. Perhaps it would have been better to have the Quark encounter onboard the Enterprise... with him trying to transport down to the surface to inspect his new spa lands?

Of course it will never be...
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 

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Originally posted by J:
How did Worf get on the Enterprise in this movie? Was he aboard a runabout traveling from Earth to DS9 from a vacation, right?

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PICARD
Worf, what the hell are you doing here?

WORF
I was at the Manzar colony
installing a new defense
perimeter when I heard the
Enterprise was in this sector...

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Originally posted by Mark Nguyen:
Anyone notice what a bad track record the Enterprise-E has for this sort of thing? It seems that by the end of each movie they're smashed up to the point that they really need assistance getting back home. It's arguable in the case of First Contact, but I'd imagine that the warp core wasn't really capable of Warp 9 by the time the Borg were done with it...

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Well, it's not like the TOS crew was any better with their ships. The Enterprise should have been less-than operational at the end of TMP, and we learned about what happened at the end of TVH...
 

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Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
 
Someone on TrekBBS once pointed out that Worf never actually called Quark by his name, at least as far as anyone could remember. If that scene didn't get cut, their special relationship would have been broken.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Well, O'Brien started calling Quark "Barkeep" in early DS9. Quark objected to that term. I wonder if O'Brien ever called Guinan "Barkeep"
 

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Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
 
No, I think O'Brien did use Guinan's name. Although she did take a phaser rifle out right in front of him at Ten Foward once during a brawl...
 

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Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
 
I think a bigger question might be: HOW did Quark find out about the planet so quickly in the first place? I never got the impression that Picard and company were hanging around that long after the destruction of the Son'a collector...

On the other hand, if the Ticonderoga were bringing a new warp core for the Enterprise, that would have meant that they needed to hang around long enough for Starfleet to send them.

Either way, it seems that Quark pulled some strings to get out there -- which isn't too surprising, I guess.
 

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
 
Riker obviously sent out his message ("Something is amiss at the Baku planet, please wait for further news") after dealing with the Son'a battlecruisers. And just as obviously, the message would also have included a request for assistance for the coreless Enterprise. But what else would have been in that message, and who would have heard or overheard it?

Riker knew nothing about the fact that the Son'a were out for revenge. He could only guess that Dougherty had exceeded his authority. And the fact that the planet was a fountain of youth was not news to the people Riker was sending the message to. Would he have included any mention of that fact in his message, then?

Two main possibilities: Riker deliberately broadcast to everybody listening, to embarrass the Council to action. Or then he only sent a coded message in which he threatened to blow the whistle if no action was taken. So there might have been information in Riker's message about the fountain of youth either way. And Quark could have gotten that information in time to board the Ticonderoga (or perhaps to take a Ferengi ship to the Briar Patch).

The role of the Ticonderoga is still left unclear. The E-E didn't really need a new warp core for getting out of the Briar Patch, so why send the core into the Patch? It seems more likely that the Ticonderoga was actually dispatched by the Council to get rid of the Enterprise (not quite as violently as the Son'a tried to do it, though), and got her mission toned down a bit when there was a policy change.

Timo Saloniemi
 

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 

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Originally posted by David Templar:
Someone on TrekBBS once pointed out that Worf never actually called Quark by his name, at least as far as anyone could remember. If that scene didn't get cut, their special relationship would have been broken.

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