Post A Reply
my profile
|
directory
login
|
search
|
faq
|
forum home
»
Flare Sci-Fi Forums
»
Star Trek
»
Starships & Technology
»
U.S.S. Ticonderoga
» Post A Reply
Post A Reply
Login Name:
Password:
Message:
HTML is enabled.
UBB Code™ is enabled.
Instant Graemlins
Instant UBB Code™
What is UBB Code™?
Options
Disable Graemlins in this post.
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Dukhat</b> <br /><small>Member # 341</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,0,31,8,53,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 31, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:53 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> This ship was referred to as the vessel which came to haul the Enterprise-E back to spacedock at the end of "Insurrection," but the scene was cut. However, I didn't know until recently that a scene was filmed with Quark aboard the ship, conversing with Picard on the viewscreen. If anyone has seen this cut footage, would you know if the actual ship was shown? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Jason Abbadon</b> <br /><small>Member # 882</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,0,31,9,7,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 31, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:07 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Where did you hear this? I'd love to see that if it exists... <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Mark Nguyen</b> <br /><small>Member # 469</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,0,31,10,36,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 31, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:36 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I thought that the scene that was filmed was with Quark and a couple of Dabo girls ON the planet at the end of the scene...<br /><br />Mark <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Dukhat</b> <br /><small>Member # 341</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,0,31,11,18,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 31, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:18 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> No, Quark & the girls were actually on the Ticonderoga while speaking with Picard. Which of course begs the question as to why Starfleet is in the habit of ferrying Ferengi and Dabo girls around. This scene was probably cut for the best. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>MinutiaeMan</b> <br /><small>Member # 444</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,0,31,12,9,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 31, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:09 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Dukhat:<br /><strong> No, Quark & the girls were actually on the Ticonderoga while speaking with Picard. Which of course begs the question as to why Starfleet is in the habit of ferrying Ferengi and Dabo girls around. This scene was probably cut for the best. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Much less why Starfleet was ferrying Quark and Dabo girls to a rather sensitive part of space, shortly after a major battle. I somehow doubt that the Ticonderoga was a passenger ship... <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Mighty Monkey of Mim</b> <br /><small>Member # 646</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,0,31,13,52,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 31, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:52 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Two things:<br /><br />1.) The ship wasn't there to tow the <i>Enterprise</i> anywhere. (The ship was in need of no such assistance at the end of this film. I'm assuming you just got your thought mixed up with <i>Hemingway</i> from <i>Nemesis</i>. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> ) It was there to facilitate the planet's becoming a Federation protectorate. <br /><br />2.) According to the revised final-draft script, Quark and his Dabo girls did indeed show up ON the planet. The <i>Ticonderoga</i> was merely mentioned verbally by Worf as having arrived ain orbit. This was all part of the ending sequence with everyone standing/walking around the Ba'ku village. Here's an excerpt from the script:<br /><br /> <br /> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><i>ANIJ<br />What am I going to do without<br />you?<br /><br />Picard reacts, slightly surprised that she has<br />anticipated that he has to go.<br /><br />PICARD<br />These are perilous times for the<br />Federation. I can't abandon it<br />to people who would threaten<br />everything I've spent a lifetime<br />defending.<br /><br />PICARD (CONT'D)<br />I'm going back to Earth to...<br />slow things down... at the<br />Federation Council.<br /><br />She nods, she knows...<br /><br />PICARD<br />But I have three hundred and<br />eighteen days of vacation time<br />coming. I plan on using them.<br /><br />ANIJ<br />I'll be here.<br /><br />Worf moves over...<br /><br />WORF<br />Captain, the </i>Ticonderoga<i> has<br />moved into orbit.<br /><br />QUARK'S VOICE<br />Worf!<br /><br />They turn to see a Ferengi (QUARK) approaching in a<br />bathing suit with a beach umbrella and two barely dressed<br />Dabo girls...<br /><br />WORF<br />What are you doing here, Quark?<br /><br />QUARK<br />The same thing everyone else in<br />the quadrant is going to be doing<br />here... as soon as I build the<br />greatest spa in the galaxy...<br />(sotto)<br />... these people don't have any<br />religious thing about casinos do<br />they...?<br /><br />PICARD<br />There aren't going to be any spas<br />on this planet.<br /><br />QUARK<br />Do I know you?<br /><br />PICARD<br />(ignoring the question)<br />This world is about to become a<br />Federation protectorate, which<br />will end any and all attempts at<br />exploitation by people like you.<br /><br />QUARK<br />Explain to me how five thousand<br />time-share units... right there<br />along the lake... would be<br />'exploiting' anyone.<br /><br />PICARD<br />Mister Worf, have this<br />uninvited... offlander and his<br />guests beamed to the Enterprise.<br />We'll deposit them at Deep Space<br />Nine.<br /><br />WORF<br />Must you, sir?<br /><br />Worf takes Quark away by the scruff of his beach shirt...<br />his disappointed babes follow ...trailing away --<br /><br />QUARK<br />You'll hear from my Nagus.<br /><br />They're gone.<br /><br />ANIJ<br />Do you really think your mighty<br />Federation would be interested in<br />protecting six hundred people?<br /><br />PICARD<br />The "mighty" Federation could<br />learn a few things from this<br />village...<br /><br />He kisses her. The signature humming bird appears,<br />sweeping up in the breeze and hovers briefly in front of<br />them... and as he takes her hand to his cheek...<br /></i></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">So no, I don't think the <i>Ticonderoga</i> was ever intended to be shown in the first place.<br /><br />As to why the ship would have been carrying Quark? Your guess is as good as mine. Perhaps he had a 'contact' on board. (Read as: "Perhaps he bribed someone." <img border="0" title="" alt="[Razz]" src="tongue.gif" /> ) IMO the movie wouldn't have suffered for having this light moment in there, as it was already past the point where the dramatic conflict had been resolved and things were in a light mood anyway, what with Data & friends tumbling about in the haystacks, etc.<br /><br />-<b>MMoM</b> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>J</b> <br /><small>Member # 608</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,0,31,14,28,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 31, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:28 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> How did Worf get on the Enterprise in this movie? Was he aboard a runabout traveling from Earth to DS9 from a vacation, right? Could Quark have been reasonably written in to come with Worf in that part of the movie? --- of course this doesn't explain how he was transported down to the surface. Perhaps it would have been better to have the Quark encounter onboard the Enterprise... with him trying to transport down to the surface to inspect his new spa lands?<br /><br />Of course it will never be... <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Mighty Monkey of Mim</b> <br /><small>Member # 646</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,0,31,14,43,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 31, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:43 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by J:<br /><strong> How did Worf get on the Enterprise in this movie? Was he aboard a runabout traveling from Earth to DS9 from a vacation, right?</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Don't know where you got the vacation bit, but the only dialogue from the script pertaining to this is as follows:<br /><br /> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><i>PICARD<br />Worf, what the hell are you doing here?<br /><br />WORF<br />I was at the Manzar colony <br />installing a new defense <br />perimeter when I heard the<br /></i>Enterprise<i> was in this sector...</i></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">At this point he is cut off by Riker and Geordi talking about Data. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> <br /><small>Member # 30</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,0,31,15,14,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 31, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:14 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> "The ship was in need of no such assistance at the end of this film."<br /><br />Well, unless Nemesis took place in 4178, after the Enterprise managed to get to a Federation outpost without a warp core, I'd say she was. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Starship Millennium</b> <br /><small>Member # 822</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,0,31,16,9,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 31, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:09 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Maybe the Ticonderoga brought them a new warp core... <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Mark Nguyen</b> <br /><small>Member # 469</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,0,31,16,24,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 31, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:24 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Anyone notice what a bad track record the Enterprise-E has for this sort of thing? It seems that by the end of each movie they're smashed up to the point that they really need assistance getting back home. It's arguable in the case of First Contact, but I'd imagine that the warp core wasn't really capable of Warp 9 by the time the Borg were done with it...<br /><br />Mark <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> <br /><small>Member # 30</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,0,31,16,44,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 31, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:44 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Fortunately they didn't have to go very far. Spatially, anyway. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Starship Millennium</b> <br /><small>Member # 822</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,0,31,17,2,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 31, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:02 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Mark Nguyen:<br /><strong> Anyone notice what a bad track record the Enterprise-E has for this sort of thing? It seems that by the end of each movie they're smashed up to the point that they really need assistance getting back home. It's arguable in the case of First Contact, but I'd imagine that the warp core wasn't really capable of Warp 9 by the time the Borg were done with it...</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Well, it's not like the TOS crew was any better with their ships. The Enterprise should have been less-than operational at the end of TMP, and we learned about what happened at the end of TVH... <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>David Templar</b> <br /><small>Member # 580</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,0,31,19,14,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 31, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:14 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Someone on TrekBBS once pointed out that Worf never actually called Quark by his name, at least as far as anyone could remember. If that scene didn't get cut, their special relationship would have been broken. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>AndrewR</b> <br /><small>Member # 44</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,0,31,19,44,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 31, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:44 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, O'Brien started calling Quark "Barkeep" in early DS9. Quark objected to that term. I wonder if O'Brien ever called Guinan "Barkeep" <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge</b> <br /><small>Member # 144</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,0,31,23,30,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 31, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:30 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> No, I think O'Brien did use Guinan's name. Although she did take a phaser rifle out right in front of him at Ten Foward once during a brawl... <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>MinutiaeMan</b> <br /><small>Member # 444</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,1,1,11,16,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">February 01, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:16 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I think a bigger question might be: HOW did Quark find out about the planet so quickly in the first place? I never got the impression that Picard and company were hanging around that long after the destruction of the Son'a collector...<br /><br />On the other hand, if the Ticonderoga were bringing a new warp core for the Enterprise, that would have meant that they needed to hang around long enough for Starfleet to send them.<br /><br />Either way, it seems that Quark pulled some strings to get out there -- which isn't too surprising, I guess. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Timo</b> <br /><small>Member # 245</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,1,3,1,32,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">February 03, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:32 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Riker obviously sent out his message ("Something is amiss at the Baku planet, please wait for further news") after dealing with the Son'a battlecruisers. And just as obviously, the message would also have included a request for assistance for the coreless Enterprise. But what else would have been in that message, and who would have heard or overheard it?<br /><br />Riker knew nothing about the fact that the Son'a were out for revenge. He could only guess that Dougherty had exceeded his authority. And the fact that the planet was a fountain of youth was not news to the people Riker was sending the message to. Would he have included any mention of that fact in his message, then?<br /><br />Two main possibilities: Riker deliberately broadcast to everybody listening, to embarrass the Council to action. Or then he only sent a coded message in which he threatened to blow the whistle if no action was taken. So there might have been information in Riker's message about the fountain of youth either way. And Quark could have gotten that information in time to board the Ticonderoga (or perhaps to take a Ferengi ship to the Briar Patch).<br /><br />The role of the Ticonderoga is still left unclear. The E-E didn't really need a new warp core for getting out of the Briar Patch, so why send the core into the Patch? It seems more likely that the Ticonderoga was actually dispatched by the Council to get rid of the Enterprise (not quite as violently as the Son'a tried to do it, though), and got her mission toned down a bit when there was a policy change.<br /><br />Timo Saloniemi <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>PsyLiam</b> <br /><small>Member # 73</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,1,3,19,19,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">February 03, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:19 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by David Templar:<br /><strong> Someone on TrekBBS once pointed out that Worf never actually called Quark by his name, at least as far as anyone could remember. If that scene didn't get cut, their special relationship would have been broken. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I'm sure that's wrong, but I can't remember any instances either. Bugger. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>AndrewR</b> <br /><small>Member # 44</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,1,4,6,43,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">February 04, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:43 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I'm guessing season 4 episodes would have more of Worf saying 'Quark' because there were several clashes there.<br /><br />"...without sin" maybe? "looking for Par'mach in all the wrong places"? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> <br /><small>Member # 30</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,1,4,13,31,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">February 04, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:31 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Maybe, but who would dare to check? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Reverend</b> <br /><small>Member # 335</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,1,4,14,3,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">February 04, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:03 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Who would really care enough? <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
© 1999-2024 Charles Capps
Powered by UBB.classic™ 6.7.3
