Holy FRACK, this one is a tech goldmine - and a good episode to boot. Hold on tight!
-Bringing aboard a derelict, the soon-to-be-identified-as-a-timeship is mysteriously put up on a convenient pedestal BEFORE anyone enters the launch bay...
-like Rasmussen's victim's ship, this timeship has no windows. Hmm. And like Rassumsen's victim, the Dead Futureguy is human. Archer initially posits that the corpse could be Zefram Cochrane, and goes over the legend how he was piloting a rumoured-to-be-experimental one-man warp ship, thus possibly explaining how he got out there.
-Enterprise is currently 30ly from the nearest human-frequented trade route, and still around 100ly from earth. Admiral Forrest suggests that the closest colony is Vega Colony.
-The timeship is stealthy - without all the damage, Enterprise wouldn't have even seen it. It has organic (bioneural?) circuitry, and is also dimensionally transcendental... Trip and Reed head down a loooong shaft to get a spanner back from what they find to be an engine room. The damage seems to be ship-wide, but they manage to locate a "black box" down there.
-The ship we saw in the trailer is not Tholian, but a Suliban freighter. It's an interesting cell-ish design involving repeating "spines" and a central shaft. Cool! It lays claim to the time ship, saying that a passing cell ship spotted it three days previous. A Suliban raiding party fails to take the timeship, and the freighter disappears (cloaks?) to get away.
-Afterwards, they arrange to meet with the Vulcan ship Tal'kir to take the ship back to Earth. The Vulcans can get the ship back in a matter of weeks, and let Starfleet do the rest. It's about time someone suggested they do that...
-The Dead Futureguy is tipped off to the crew when Phlox reveals he has Vulcan DNA, along with Terellian, Rigelian and others. This perplexes T'Pol, who echoes her species' belief that interspecies mating is icky.
-To identify the ship, Archer and T'Pol go looking thorugh the Daniels' holocomputer doohickey. There are a LOT of other ships there from the Trek universe, but they make a very big point of showing a Vulcan cruiser that hasn't been built yet. It's even longer and pointier than what we've seen so far, with three warp rings arranged in a clover fashion. We're bound to be seeing this in the future, so to speak. Anyway, the ship comes from 900 years into the future. Archer believes that the ship could belong to a researcher a la Rasmussen's victim.
-The timeship is powered by a "temporal displacement drive". Among the unknown alloys that compose its hull is one that exists in a semi-fluid state.
-The Tholian ship is pretty much the same shape we see in TOS, but they have more detail and a metal, not mineral, hull. There are things like grilles and surface detailing on a light fray hull. It looks nice, but I'd have preferred they stick with the basic obsidian look.
-Tholian space is a long way away from here, and even now they are still very xenophbic, rarely sending ships outside their territory. Vulcans have yet to see one, apparently.. Their speech is a loud, annoying screeching, and the UT only loosely translates it into an artificial voice.
-The Tholian tractor beam is a familiar shade of yellow (hint hint), though their weapons are blue-white.
-Denobulans were first contacted by the B'Saari. Phlox notes that Denobulans were reluctant to accept the notion of their not being the only intelligent species around.
-In examining the time ship, Trip and Reed get temporarily stuck in a well-filmed time loop a la "Cause and Effect", complete with deja vu. This leads them to discover the "temporal radiation" the Tholians were warning them about before they took off. Archer speculates that the Tholians could be working for another faction... Of course, T'Pol is still reluctant to believe that there even IS a Temporal Cold War. But Archer is determined to get some answers, and so presses forward.
-One the way to the Tal'kir, Enterprise runs afoul of the Suliban freighter and a bunch of cell ships of varying sizes. Again, they demonstrate that Enterprise warp 5 engine can't outrun them, or even their freighters.
-They barely manage to keep them at bay until they can reach the Vulcan ship... Only to discover that four Tholian ships have disabled it. The Tal'kir is specifically called a "combat cruiser", and is of the Turellian-inspiration type we saw last week. I think we're sticking with this design for the long run... Also, when Archer orders to return fire, he mentions the aft phase cannon in the singular.
-The Tholians disable Enterprise with some funky energy pulse (odd, since Enterprise is left inteact while the Tal'kir is blowed up real good), but the Suliban show up and engage them before they can do anything else. Suliban ships are no match for Tholian technology, and are destroyed in short order (but in one hell of a fight!).
-Archer realizes that they won't be able to beat the Tholians either, and so with Reed he goes and puts a torpedo warhead into the timeship before jettisoning it. They get stuck in the time loop, but ultimately manage to get the torpedo warhead out before the next loop resets everything again.
-But it's all for naught, as Trip apparently manages to contact the future with the black box, per earlier orders. In a wink, all the future tech, the ship, and the body are whisked away...
-As everyon is left scratching their heads, they mention that a Vulcan transport will eventually arrive to tow the Tal'kir home. Warp tow?
Whew!
Mark
[ February 18, 2003, 10:07 PM: Message edited by: Mark Nguyen ]
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
The web spinners never looked obsidian to me...
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Yeah, I guess.... Looking at this pic now, I guess it DOES look a lot like it, grilles and all. Just more detail added, and a lighter color overall. However, I'm fairly certain that the "Enterprise" edition is more tripartite - that is, identical on all three vertical cross sections.
Oh yeah - we don't get to see the Tholians this time. We only hear them, and while they DO manage to start buring through an airlock door, they don't finish before Archer and Reed jettison the timeship. However, the security guys were doing a pretty good impression of the Tantive IV crew before the Stormtroopers burned through THEIR door...
Mark
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Nice to get the references to the Vega Colony and to Cochrane's mystic disappearance. Too bad the Colony is now "nearest" to the Enterprise operational theater, when the real Vega is in the opposite direction from supposed Klingon and Romulan space. Oh, well. Perhaps Vega Colony is best based in the direction of (the various) Rigel(s) anyway, to allow Pike to replenish his crew there instead of going to Earth first. One thing's for sure now, though - the writers aren't reading the Star Charts after all.
Vulcan "future" ships... I wonder if those were still operating during TOS. Perhaps the Intrepid...?
Nice to hear the Tholians are supposed to be a distant menace, instead of a local one. They could be excused for not reappearing any time soon! Better to maintain some of the mystique.
And nice for them to have ships that look like their later ones. Not everything needs to be "retro" just because it appears a hundred years earlier. It would still have been nice to see a bit of variation on the theme.
Speaking of which, the Vulcans now have a pretty extensive fleet of designs. I'd love to see the ships used in mixed fleets, and serving in specific roles. Too bad some of them are "temporally distanced" - the "Fusion" ships are supposed to be outdated etc. Apparently, Vulcans do upgrade their fleet quite often, as opposed to Klingons or Tholians.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Doesn't someone have Drexler's email-address? Maybe we could get an inofficial class-name for the Vulcan combat cruiser.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
quote:Originally posted by Timo: Nice to get the references to the Vega Colony and to Cochrane's mystic disappearance. Too bad the Colony is now "nearest" to the Enterprise operational theater, when the real Vega is in the opposite direction from supposed Klingon and Romulan space. Oh, well. Perhaps Vega Colony is best based in the direction of (the various) Rigel(s) anyway, to allow Pike to replenish his crew there instead of going to Earth first. One thing's for sure now, though - the writers aren't reading the Star Charts after all.
Unless it's Vaygeh Colony or some other fecked-oop homonymical spelling...
Posted by Dr. Phlox (Member # 878) on :
quote:Originally posted by Spike: Doesn't someone have Drexler's email-address? Maybe we could get an inofficial class-name for the Vulcan combat cruiser.
Well judging by the discription, the one in this episode was D'Kyr Class, although I don't think it's been referred to as a combat cruiser until now. The other combat cruiser(pink and pointy) is the Sukar Class according to the Fact Files, although that could've been a spelling mistake.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Yeah, it's a D'Kyr-type vessel but we don't know its class-name.
quote:that could've been a spelling mistake.
I wouldn't be surprised.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Which ship are you looking for a class designation? The Tal'kir or the clover ship in the database? Or both?
BTW, the clover ship looked to be frickin' huge...
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
The class of the Tal'kir and D'kyr.
Posted by Dr. Phlox (Member # 878) on :
Aren't type and class more or less the same thing?
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
[Name of first vessel that appeared onscreen]-type is used when we don't know the vessel's real class designation. For example, if we didn't know that the Voyager is an Intrepid-class vessel, we'd call the Bellerophon a Voyager-type vessel.
Posted by Dr. Phlox (Member # 878) on :
Ah, I didn't know that D'kyr was the name of the first ship we saw, I was under the impression that someone had said "D'kyr type" or "class" in that episode. Well that's annoying.
[ February 19, 2003, 10:47 AM: Message edited by: Dr. Phlox ]
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
A prime example is the Hyperion-type cruiser from B5.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Huh? I had thought that while never mentioned in the show, they had all but established that it *was* Hyperion class, and that the EAS Hyperion was the actual class ship.
ANYWAY, I'm wondering about the TARDIS-like timeship... The main chamber was obviously conformal to the exterior, but they had to go down some way into what must be another spatial domain to get to the engine room. Why so far? What's wrong with it jut being one floor down? Or back?
Mark
[ February 19, 2003, 12:52 PM: Message edited by: Mark Nguyen ]
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Why would EF still be using the Hyperion itself, then? The class was supposedly used in the Dilgar war.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Maybe it's because it came mostly out of the blue, but I was more impressed by this Tholian menace than the way the Romulans were introduced a few months ago. Maybe that's because the Romulans just flew around and talked tough while the Tholians disabled a Vulcan combat cruiser and blew up a full-fledged fleet of Suliban cell ships?
Obviously the effects have been updated, but IMO those Tholian ships are the exact same type as the ones we saw in "The Tholian Web." The only potential variations would be something akin to the D7/K't'inga modifications between TOS and TMP.
(Aside: I'm pretty sure that I saw an Exocomp from "The Quality of Life" in the hangar bay during the teaser -- it was behind Archer when he was opening up the Mystery Ship's hatch, back against the wall.)
Tholians are almost certainly nonhumanoid at this point -- I got the impression that their language sounded insectoid with all the clicking and squeaking over the comm, not to mention the fact that an ambient temperature of 200 degrees (Celsius, presumably) would explain the colorful background when Commander Loskene appeared on the viewscreen in TOS.
That futuristic Vulcan combat cruiser... dare I suggest that the presence of three (broken?) ring-nacelles on that Vulcan ship might support the existence and/or viability of other three-nacelled starships later on in the Federation Starfleet?
(Another Aside: The ship from B5 is almost definitely the Hyperion-class because it's referred as such in one of the official size charts for internal production use released by Tim Earls.)
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan: That futuristic Vulcan combat cruiser... dare I suggest that the presence of three (broken?) ring-nacelles on that Vulcan ship might support the existence and/or viability of other three-nacelled starships later on in the Federation Starfleet?
As if any more support were needed...*cough*Niagara*cough*AGT Enterprise*cough*....
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
I was about to say the same thing when I read that three-nacelle bit MMoM. The thing about odd nacelled ships is they just aren't as good as even nacelled ships.
I wanted to comment on the time ship and what it means about the Aeon from Voyager. Could it be possible that it wasn't a cockpit only ship?
BTW, I didn't hear Vega, I heard Beta... but I wasn't paying much attention at that point in time, so I could be wrong.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Perhaps 29th century ships don't have that tech yet while 31st century ships do.
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
It's Vega, I'm an idiot...
And I saw the Exocomp upon reviewing the tape.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Wouldn't be the first time - an Exocomp, or at least part of one, fixed up Reed's leg earlier this year in "Dead Stop".
Mark
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan: (Another Aside: The ship from B5 is almost definitely the Hyperion-class because it's referred as such in one of the official size charts for internal production use released by Tim Earls.)
Interesting. . . I wonder what those involved in the "Hyperion or Not?" near-flamewar (largely between proponents of the two main, rival, B5-tech websites, not people here) had to say about that. . ?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Mabye all the propulsion and time traveling gear that Trip could'nt find makes up the dimensionally displaced second-third decks?
.......and I still say the Tholians could have been from the Future themselves instead of just working for some other power like the Floam-skins. Consider this: The Tholians are a looong way from home and Tholians of this era are known to be highly xenephobic- rarely leaving their systems. The Tholians understand the dangers of "Temporal Radiation". The Tholians are able to kick the Vulcan Cmbat Cruiser's ass, disable the Enterprise without permanently damaging her or killing anyone aboard (preserving the timeline?) and four small Tholian ships completely destroy all the Sulibon ships (ships benifiting from future tech I might add) without taking any casualties themselves. The Tholians also make a point of not attacking Enterprise after their objective is achieved/lost. In conclusion: either the Tholians shown are from the future or they really really let their technology slide between Enterprise and TOS. Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I think the Tholians could be domestic, and that their xenophobia could be exactly what whoever they're working for need. But it DOES beg the question of WHY the Tholians would consent to work for anyone not Tholian? Perhaps they're being duped? Could their vastly superior technology (for the era) be the work of a faction even more advanced than the FutureGuy who's aiding the Suliban? The technology could have been left to slide simply because they were no longer supplied it by their sponsors, and possibly due to their xenophobia - it's tought to advance technologically if you've got no one to interact with but yourselves.
Mark
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I think it's obvious at this point that the Tholians are basically the anti-Suliban, working for another faction in the Temporal Cold War. Of course, being so xenophobic it's possible -- even likely -- that they're working for their future selves. Whether those future Tholians are working alongside someone else is something we can't really speculate on at this point.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
They just seemed far less hostile that the TOS version Tholians: they left all theit targets alive except the Sulibon.... ......and they knew the Vulcans would be there too!
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: They just seemed far less hostile that the TOS version Tholians: they left all theit targets alive except the Sulibon.... ......and they knew the Vulcans would be there too!
Not necessarily... all that says is that they didn't treat the Enterprise and the Vulcans as enemies. They still didn't have any allowance for interference in their work, though. They had no compulsion for boarding the Enterprise when they needed to.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
As for their technology... Bear in mind that the Starfleet ships in TOS are, despite appearances, more advanced that those in ENT. Even if the Tholian ships are more powerful in the 2150s, there's a whole century for Earth/Federation ships to catch up and/or surpass them. Presumably, there would be an acceleration of technological advancement when the Federation forms and all those races start combining their knowledge. The Tholians wouldn't have this, since they're working completely alone.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
The Tholians aren't unreasonably aggressive in "The Tholian Web," either, allowing the Enterprise to try and retrieve Kirk from the Defiant (at least, the first time), and by DS9 they seem almost outgoing.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Oh yeah -- I forgot about how they allowed some time to try and rescue Kirk.
Of course, on the other side there's the Tholian attack on a starbase which almost killed Kyle Riker. (Waitaminute -- wouldn't that mean they're GOOD guys? Although pretty sloppy ones, if they killed everyone but the guy they were trying to get. )
From what I recall, the Tholians even had an ambassador that stopped at DS9 on a couple of occasions by the time of the show -- Sisko obtained some Tholian silk from him, IIRC.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Over the course of DS9, we hear about the Tholians maybe four or five times, and they appear to be taking an active interest in galactic politics in all their mentions. (Touring the station, sitting in on some summit meeting on Earth, etc.) That is to say, an interest relative to their earlier mentions in TNG, which seemed all angry and stuff.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Such a turnaround is unlikely but by no means impossible, for all we know there could there could have been some kind of coup within the Tholian Assembly that toppled the old opressive regime and made room for a new forward looking government. Perhaps all the previous hostility was based on poor communication and misunderstanding, maybe the Tholians early attempts at diplomacy with other species was met with hostility or violence which is the root of their xenophibia (who knows, the Hur'q could have been to Tholia). The turnaround could be the result of something as simple as an act of mercy, a Federation vessel coming to the aid of a stricken Tholian warship perhaps?
Either way I just hope that B&B put some serious thought into developing the Tholians and don't just paint them as 2-D "not-quite-bad-guys" like how the Ferengi ended up.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I do'nt think any huge change is needed. Leaders die, New more progressive leaders come to power: look at the Soviet Union in the 50 years alone....and nobody said it was the Tholian government that attacked the starbase...
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I was going to say, it's not like the Tholians are everybody's best pal in the future. They're just more involved, politically.
And, of course, the Tholians are arguably not "bad guys" in this episode, since their motives are so obscured. The future ship really did turn out to be dangerous, after all.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: I do'nt think any huge change is needed. Leaders die, New more progressive leaders come to power: look at the Soviet Union in the 50 years alone....and nobody said it was the Tholian government that attacked the starbase...
Maybe; maybe not. Throughout TNG, the Tholians were basically regarded as enemies -- like Sol said. They attacked a starbase, they had an interest in the Klingon Civil War (or the potential for one, re: "Reunion"), and also the simulated battle that Riker fought in the Academy against a Tholian ship... that sounds like a rather consistent series of events prior to around 2368 or so. Not just random aggression like the various Klingon incidents we've seen.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Well, let me try to clear things up. I'm not saying that there was any unreasonable change in the attitude of the Tholians between TNG and DS9. Just that, in DS9, they seemed to be opening up a bit. That's all. Nothing that requires a complete government change or anything.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
I really really liked this ep, but there is one small thing that irks me quite a bit.
I THOUGHT THEY COULDN'T USE THE F*CKING PHASE CANNONS AT WARP!!!!!!!!!!
ARGH!!!!! Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Er, they couldn't use them because Reed said there was a problem he had to fix. Then he fixed it.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
He must have fixed Porthos too....the dog has been absent for the past couple of episodes....even in the Captain's quarters. Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
The actor playing Porthos got cocky after starring in "A Night in Sickbay" and started asking for too many milk bones.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Geez...how greedy: He already had more lines than Merriweather!
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
The bloody warpcore's got more lines than Mayweather, so that's not hard.
Posted by Sorak (Member # 874) on :
Five bucks says Porthos is on the next episode.
Posted by Hunter (Member # 611) on :
I wonder if a primitive version of the dimensionally transcendental tech is on the Enterprise E? It would explain the 24-26-29 deck enigma Posted by E. Cartman (Member # 256) on :
That, and the BoP/Defiant size/length conundrums.
Posted by Akira (Member # 850) on :
Can anyone get the Future guys Holo thing screen caps i notice alot of ship on it and one that looks like an X-Wing from star wars
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
quote: Maybe; maybe not. Throughout TNG, the Tholians were basically regarded as enemies -- like Sol said. They attacked a starbase, they had an interest in the Klingon Civil War (or the potential for one, re: "Reunion"), and also the simulated battle that Riker fought in the Academy against a Tholian ship... that sounds like a rather consistent series of events prior to around 2368 or so. Not just random aggression like the various Klingon incidents we've seen.
Well, I suppose a coup or something similar isn't out of the question. Maybe even different factions/nations have decided to persue different courses of action as regards other races.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Mabye their behavior can't be easily explained bacause they're fucking aliens!!!! Why would a non-humanoid creature that lives in extreme heat and hard radiation, either wears crystal armor or is itself crystaline in nature and may not even posess limbs of any kind or have them grown specifically to suit a purpose have anything like human motivations? Tholians could be the most unpredictible of all the Trek aliens due to their strangeness.
Posted by Akira (Member # 850) on :
Hey guys i just took 157 screen caps from Future Tense
Ill post pics soon for your pleasure just give me time to edit them.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Sweet! You could just slideshow the whole episode! Posted by Akira (Member # 850) on :
Gys rather than me Putting them up one by one im gonna zip them up so you guys can pick the ones you want
Lets put it this way Ships in the episode
Voyager Rhode Island Rom Warbird Rom BOP Kling Freighter New Valcun ship Valkrin (spelling?) and a few others that in mot sure of
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Eagerly awaiting...
Posted by Akira (Member # 850) on :
Guys ill try to have them for ya tonight some time if i can find a place to put them ill have them on KAZZA tonight after 11pm EST
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"...either wears crystal armor or is itself crystaline in nature..."
Or just regular armor w/ flat sides.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Akira: Guys ill try to have them for ya tonight some time if i can find a place to put them ill have them on KAZZA tonight after 11pm EST
Well, that's helpful for people who use Kazaa... Which isn't necessarily everyone.
What's the requirement for using Flare Upload, anyway? Is that 250 posts? Or 750? (I forget...)
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Hey, the AEROSHUTTLE is in there! It's a top view that scrolls by a couple of times in the upper left corner. Later on, you see a rotating 3D view at the center top.
Mark
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
The Aeroshuttle is finally canon! Posted by Akira (Member # 850) on :
yeah i have like 75 shots from just the Future guy thing Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
What's an Aeroshuttle? Guess I am not familiar with that one.
Wasnt there a Klingon Bird of Prey in the 31st C. ship directory?
Also...based on the known size of the Enterprise (approximately 225m), then using that to calculate the size of its nacelle (100m, approx 2.5 inches on a 19" tv) related to the Tholian cruiser that had Enterprise in a tractor beam (approximately 2.25 inches)-- Uncle Algebra tells us that the cruiser is around 90 meters in length.
[ February 24, 2003, 03:04 AM: Message edited by: Futurama Guy ]
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
The Aeroshuttle is the captain's yacht-like auxiliary craft attached to the underside of Intrepid-class starships.
And where might we find these screencaps, again?
-MMoM Posted by Akira (Member # 850) on :
Well i have them all Zipped up and its 25MB in JPG format
Anyone know a place i can upload them to?
Or a Mod want to give me Special 48hr Flare upload permission???
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
The aeroshuttle's canon now? Well I'll be damned...
(Oh, wait... that depends on whether "Enterprise" itself is canon! )
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
IIRC, wasn't the Tholian ship much closer to the "camera" than either of the E's nacelles?
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Im pretty darned sure that when it had the Enterprise in its tractor beam, it was directly behind it...that seems to be the best place a ship would want to be to try to tug a ship out of warp or whatever their intention was
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Sorry to post twice in a row, but I was reading the review at treknation of this episode, and it seems to mention the name of the futureship is the "TARDIS". Is this true?
It is in the 5th paragraph of the Analysis of the episode for those of you doubters to what I am asking. Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
The writer of that review has seen more British sf television than you.
Hint: Doctor Who.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Evidently, as all I watch crappy US tv...
Wow, 4 for 4 on ripping me apart tonite. Well done, sir!
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
You just happened to have been posting right before me. And, with the exception of the above post, which I suppose could be considered "snarky" or "sassy" (Oh, how I hope it is sassy.), I have hardly "ripped" into anyone.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: What's an Aeroshuttle? Guess I am not familiar with that one.
Wasnt there a Klingon Bird of Prey in the 31st C. ship directory?
Also...based on the known size of the Enterprise (approximately 150m), then using that to calculate the size of its nacelle (approx 2.5 inches on a 19" tv) related to the Tholian cruiser that had Enterprise in a tractor beam (approximately 2.25 inches)-- Uncle Algebra tells us that the cruiser is around 90 meters in length.
Without opening a thermonecular can of worms, I have to ask where you arrived at 150 meters? THe NX-01 seems to be closer to 225 meters to me considering the crew of 80(ish)and the room needed for the hangar deck and engineering all within the saucer! I'd say the Tholians looked more in the 80-90 meter range (still plenty big) from a casual observation. Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Without opening a thermonecular can of worms, I have to ask where you arrived at 150 meters? THe NX-01 seems to be closer to 225 meters to me considering the crew of 80(ish)and the room needed for the hangar deck and engineering all within the saucer! I'd say the Tholians looked more in the 80-90 meter range (still plenty big) from a casual observation.
Oops, you are absolutely correct. Had me one of them brain farts, I re-checked my scratch paper and I used 225 meters as well in the original calculation..and the nacelle length was about 100 meters, and I dont know how I meshed that into 150 meters...anyway the correction was made in the original post, still leaving the Tholian cruiser somewhere near 90 meters. Sorry and thanks J.A.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
S'okay: I cheated and used my spiffy new 2500th NX-01 for refrence and double checked with Ex Astris Scientia.
I don't know about you guys but the Sulibon freighter was really reminicent of the cardassian freighters (simmilar color with lots of swappable modules).
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sol System: I have hardly "ripped" into anyone.
Is this a good time to reintroduce the Simon "Super-sized" Sizer jokes?
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Please, pretty please, can�t someone help Akira out? I for one would love to see his pics.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
for referance of the ship Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
[re-bump]
Still good in summer reruns! There was so much tech in this episode, there's probably STILL stuff we missed. Additional thoughts?
Mark
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Archer communicating with (or, really, failing to communicate with) the Tholians was one of the best alien encounter scenes in Star Trek, in my opinion.
The fact that this episode did not recieve the followup it was clearly begging for before the season ended dulls the rest of my enthusiasm, unfortunately.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Anyway, the ship comes from 900 years into the future. Archer believes that the ship could belong to a researcher a la Rasmussen's victim.![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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for referance of the ship