I think that it's very nearly complete, the only thing that I haven't found the time for yet is to dig through the encyclopaedia and check which shuttles were destroyed and which are still around.
Additions and corrections welcome
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Good list! I'm going to steal some of those shuttle names for the complement of the Okazaki. PS -- you've got a PM.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
The "class F" isn't official, right?
Are you counting just the seen ships or unseen/"just mentioned" as well? Tom Paris' first ride with a type 2 shuttle comes to my mind.
What's this Galileo/Galileo 2-thing again? G1 was destroyed, replaced by G2, which was lateron destroyed/abandoned as well, but we still saw it again as G2. Right?
I don't say "Just because we know there is a NCC-74656 we have to include every ship from NCC-01 to NCC 74655 in our shiplist as well because this is the proof they exist", but what do you think about including - for example - 1701A's shuttles 2 and 4 as well because we saw monitors in Shuttle Ops marked with those numbers? I mean, where do you draw the line? Same for those TNGTM "could-be"-shuttlechart. Where are Pontiac and Indiana Jones?
Was the Conrad the ship from the TMP:SE? In this case, it would be the same class as the TOS-shuttles, "tpye F". And I guess the other one shared the same name with the it?
It has been some time since I did some research on shuttles. But I could dig out my stuff (especially Voyager) to see if there has been more.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Just out of curiousity where did you get the names: Laikia, Conrad and Tereshkova?
Also, Im not doubting you on this, but where was it established that basically all 24th Cent. shuttles called class-2?
Also, wouldnt you want to add the Delta Flyer or perhaps the mentioning of the LR shuttle in TMP the Venture?
[ April 14, 2003, 08:09 PM: Message edited by: Futurama Guy ]
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Class F was from "The Menagerie" and the shuttle Mendez and Kirk were chasing the Enterprise in was ID'd as that class, so its pretty verifiable
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
The Lakia is the 'Long-Range Shuttlecraft' mentioned in Epsilon IX comm chatter. I'm the one who discovered it (along with the Merrimac).
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Ah, right. Thanks.
And if it's named fter the first dog in space, wouldn't it be "Laika"?
Tereshkova was the one Janeway and Chakotay crashed in the "Janeway-thinks-she's-dead-but-she-isn't-really-dead"-episode from Season 3 (or 2?). What's the name of the ship from the second Voyager episode (the Nebula-of-the-week-show; Janeway and Torres took a Type 7, the first official contact with this class).
And you forgot the famous changeling-shuttle from "Caretaker". The one that brought Stadi and Tom to DS9. It was labeled NCC-71315 (or something), NCC-1701-D and NCC-74656. If you want a complete list of all unnamed shuttles from Voyager, just give me some time. Soon I'll find my list.
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
One error I see right off is the long registry number of the Vulcan shuttle from TMP. The number has been recorded wrong since the Fact Files and was retranscribed erroneously into the ST:Official Magazine. The model kit had the same number as the filming miniature. It should read:
VS-5047-61192259584-5
Presumably the 'VS' at the beginning stands for 'Vulcan Shuttle' and the registry has 3 hyphens in it.
Also, for the Type 15 it would be more correct to label them Shuttlepod rather than Shuttlecraft. The small one from the Defiant would also be a Shuttlepod.
How about the Long-Range shuttle 'Venture' from the subspace chatter from Epsilon IX?
Where did you come by the name for Repulse Shuttle 10. Does there exist a clear pic of that?
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
uh, you might notice it if you go to the Garuda post there are pics posted there of the Repulse shuttle.... Repulse Shuttle Pics Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :
The Lakia may not be in the dialogue. However, as proved in an earlier thread, there was a Venture. Venture cancelled a rendezvous with the USS Merrimac NCC-1715. This shuttle was described as a long-range shuttle.
Copernicus-there was no Copernicus in the original series. There was a shuttle of this name in the TAS.
Hawking-there were two Hawkings. The first was seen in "The Host". According to a diagram found in Encyclopedia 1, the shuttle had a registry of NCC-1701-D/10. The second was on your list.
In one of the Starlog TNG magazines, there was a picture of one of the producers seated next to a desk. On the desk, there was a model of a Sakharov-type shuttle with the name of Heinlein.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
The Copernicus was the second shuttle seen/sent out to find the Galileo 7 in the ep. "The Galileo Seven"
Posted by Captain39 (Member # 1001) on :
The original Enterprise's shuttles were type 1 am I right?
And also I think it would be kind of neat to include the NX's shuttles but do we know if/what any of their names are?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Shuttlepod One. Shuttlepod Two.
TOS shuttles were never described as anything other than "shuttles."
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Does Data's mission scoutship (NCC-75227) from "Insurrection" count?
And I dont see 'Cousteau', the Captains Yacht on there either (at least specifically by name).
Or Janeways 'SC-4', the modified Type 9 (??) from "Endgame"??
ENT shuttlepods are called 'Pod 1' and 'Pod 2'...well isnt that whats written on the hull...otherwise they are called both shuttlepods, pods, and shuttles or something to that interchangable effect...
Again, the ONLY TOS shuttle to receive a class/designation was the Class F from "The Menagerie"....
Also again, the 'Delta Flyer'....
Finally, shouldnt Tereshkova be Terrenova?? (At least according to the Encyclopedia Pt. Deux)
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
No, its actually named Tereshkova.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: The Copernicus was the second shuttle seen/sent out to find the Galileo 7 in the ep. "The Galileo Seven"
No, that was the Columbus. There was no Copernicus in the original live-action series. However, as newark pointed out, the was a long range shuttle named Copernicus in the animated episode "The Slaver Weapon."
Other TAS shuttles include the following: -The Aquashuttle from "The Ambergris Element," registered NCC-1701/7. (The same episode also featured another aquatic auxiliary craft, the Scouter-Gig, registered NCC-1701/R6.) -An unnamed shuttle registered NCC-1701/12 from "Mudd's Passion." (There was also one of the same type numbered NCC-1701/4 and a Class-F numbered NCC-1701/3 in the shuttlebay, along with at least two others whose numbers weren't readable.)
Other points: -The "Laikia" is actually named something that sounds like "Venture" or "Avenger" or something similar, though it's hard to tell what exactly it is. Spike has an audio clip here, I believe. -The first Hawking (from "The Host" [TNG]) was indeed a Shuttlecraft 10 and a Type-7. The second (from Generations) has no known type designation or number. -You seem to have forgotten the difference in terminology for "shuttlecrafts" and "shuttlepods." The El-Baz, Onizuka, Pike, and Voltaire are not "Shuttlecraft 05, 07," etc, but rather "Shuttlepod 05, 07," etc. -Similarly, though rather oddly nonetheless, the Defiant's pod is simply "Shuttle 01" whereas the Chaffee is "Shuttlecraft 1." (Curiously, not "01" but simply "1.") -The E-D's Shuttlepod 09 (from "The Price" [TNG]) is the Ley according to Rick Sternbach.
I'll probably come up with some more, but I can't think of them right offhand.
-MMoM Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote: Where are Pontiac and Indiana Jones?
Where were they seen?
quote: Was the Conrad the ship from the TMP:SE? In this case, it would be the same class as the TOS-shuttles, "type F". And I guess the other one shared the same name with the it?
I think that's where I got that from, it's been a while since I compiled most of this and I neglected to give each shuttle an annotation.
quote: It has been some time since I did some research on shuttles. But I could dig out my stuff (especially Voyager) to see if there has been more.
Any and all input is welcome.
quote: Also, I'm not doubting you on this, but where was it established that basically all 24th Cent. shuttles called class-2?
That's a tiny bit of conjecture on my part, in an attempt to reconcile the later seasons of Voyager. I propose that all the standard shuttles we see (post TOS) are Class-2 while the small Shuttlepods are Class-1, making the Cargo shuttles (possibly including the Argo) Class-3 shuttles. Theoretically the Captain's Yachts, Aero Shuttles, the Delta Flyer and the Waverider shuttle could be of a Class-4, although that is pure speculation.
quote: the mentioning of the LR shuttle in TMP the Discovery?
I forgot about that one, please refresh my memory.
quote: And you forgot the famous changeling-shuttle from "Caretaker".
No I didn't. I just have it as being NCC-71325. Can we confirm which is correct?
quote: How about the Long-Range shuttle 'Venture' from the subspace chatter from Epsilon IX?
Ok, just how many shuttles were mentioned in that chatter? Wasn't someone here trying to get an official transcript out of Probert?
quote: Hawking-there were two Hawkings. The first was seen in "The Host". According to a diagram found in Encyclopedia 1, the shuttle had a registry of NCC-1701-D/10. The second was on your list.
Wouldn't that make three Hawkins? Including the one in Generations.
quote: On the desk, there was a model of a Sakharov-type shuttle with the name of Heinlein.
Is there a scan available?
quote: The original Enterprise's shuttles were type 1 am I right?
And also I think it would be kind of neat to include the NX's shuttles but do we know if/what any of their names are?
You are not and I don't think the NX-01 pods have names...yet.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sol System: TOS shuttles were never described as anything other than "shuttles."
Wrong. As has been pointed out by at least two others, the standard TOS shuttle design was given the description "Class-F" in "The Menagerie" (TOS).
-MMoM
P.S. And yeah, Rev---though others have already mentioned it---you should add the NX-01's Pod 1 and Pod 2.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I would have been more accurately expressing my intent had I said "The Enterprise's shuttles."
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
They're all the same. I don't at all buy the bit about there being two variants. And yes, that means the starship-assigned shuttles were warp capable. Perhaps only low-warp, so that the dramaturgic element is preserved, but warp-capable nonetheless. Otherwise, there's no reason for them to have warp nacelles...
Oh, Rev: -According to the annotations of the TNG Tecnical Manual, Okuda made a display for the inside of the shuttlebay control booth that listed names such as Sam Freedle and Indiana Jones. Also mentioned is an occurrence of the production crew relabeling the exterior shuttlepod mockup as the Pontiac-1701D during the filming of "In Theory" (TNG), as a joke on Patrick Stewart, who occasionally worked as a spokesperson for Pontiac automoblies. -You don't have the two Enterprise captain's yachts, (the D's Calypso and the E's Cousteau) but I assume that's intentional.
-MMoM Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
- Might you want to include the mining shuttle Nenebek from "Final Mission", Pentarus V, the planet it is from is a Federation planet? (I say this due to the inclusion of the Vulcan shuttle...)
Status Updates:
- The Curie was given to the Cardassian in "Lower Decks" so its status is probably "destroyed" or something of the like...
- The Magellan was destroyed in "The Outcast"...
- The Sakharov was destroyed in "Deja Q"...
- The Voltaire was destroyed in "In Theory"...
The "I'm probably totally wrong on this, but...":
- I thought that the Galileo (TNG) was a Type-7, not a Type-6.
- I thought that the Drake (VGR) was a Type-7, not a Type-8.
- I thought that the Sacajawea (VGR) was a Type-8, not a Type-6.
- Finally, according the the Omnipedia, the Hawking from "Generations" was the same one seen in "The Host"...but thats the Omnipedia for ya... Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
I'm not sure the Long-Range shuttle from TMP is Venture. I listened to the MP3 and I'm still hearing a 'K' sound, pointing to Laika or whatever it is.
Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Wasn't the Galileo from TNG's All Good Things a Type 6? I could have sworn that Tasha and Picard were in a Type 6 when touring the outside of the Enterprise-D.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
How many different types were really mentioned onscreen? I just remember that the Curie was referred to as Type 6 in "Parallels".
Why is the Verne's number RS-47?
From which episode is the second Voltaire?
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Why is the Verne's number RS-47?
Because it is the Shuttle for Relay Station 47 and thats whats printed on the side of the shuttle
quote: From which episode is the second Voltaire? [/QB]
There was a second Voltaire? Aside from ole' Shuttle 03 from "In Theory"; destroyed in Mar Oscura nebula...no others existed...unless it was from Voyager or something...
quote: Wasn't the Galileo from TNG's All Good Things a Type 6?
And again, that was something I wasnt sure about, thats why I asked....
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:Because it is the Shuttle for Relay Station 47 and thats whats printed on the side of the shuttle
But that's just the shuttle's assignment.
quote:There was a second Voltaire?
Forget it. I misread the chart. Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:
quote:Originally posted by Spike: [QB] [QUOTE]Because it is the Shuttle for Relay Station 47 and thats whats printed on the side of the shuttle
But that's just the shuttle's assignment.
Hmm, well in that case, I suppose the same could then be said about the Deep Space K-7 Shuttle (NCC-K7), Conrad (SB-6), and SC-4....
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
It's from the "Selected Historical Data" documentation that Dr. Phlox mentioned in the Garuda-topic.
Any ideas where/if this shuttle was used?
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
The hull markings look different. Maybe an early vessel. Maybe the shuttle from the Armus-episode. IIRC, that was a type 7.
The guys from Voyager had the interior set of a type 8 shuttle and the exterior of a Type 6, a leftover from TNG. That's the reason we did sometimes see shuttles that were both type 6 and 8. Like the Sacajawea. The cockpits look indeed similar, but there's a type-8-diagram on the wall behing the side window.
I could make some Hawking-screeenshots for you. I have the Generations-cuts.
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
I for one would like to see that. I made a screenshot myself of the Hawking from the cut scenes, but the quality wasn�t very good. I like the shot on the ground with Picard and Worf getting in.
Posted by Dr. Phlox (Member # 878) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov: The hull markings look different. Maybe an early vessel. Maybe the shuttle from the Armus-episode. IIRC, that was a type 7.
They didn't use an intact miniature for that shuttle, besides, the rear of this one is like a regular Type-7, the one from Skin of Evil had a strange inset. It certainly looks like they were going to use the model for shooting, but it could be some kind of test. They were using all the different mounts, maybe to see which ones worked well?
Oh yeah, I've remembered another shuttle. There was a Type-7 in the episode when Geordi's transformed into an alien(can't remember the name) that had been stolen from a Starbase. I don't think it had a name, but the registry is probably SB-[starbase number].
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
The Copernicus appears to be one of those early Probert study models that had "wraparound" side windows instead of side doors. It lacks almost all the familiar greeblies, save for the beacon atop the rear part. "The Continuing Mission" has a pic of somebody manhandling this model (sans the "Copernicus" markings), IIRC. And the marking style is the original one from the various Probert drawings and paintings, with the full "NCC-1701-D" on the side instead of just "1701-D".
I doubt this model was ever used for episode photography, but it could have served as a stand-in for setting up effects shots. The way those side walls have been opened looks rather terminally destructive to me...
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
Could someone please post a screenshot of the Shuttle 'Heinlein'?
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
OK,... there seems to be a little problem with the screenshot thing. If anyone has about 6MB he doesn't need we can upload the thing. And I think lcarscom.net does still host them. Found it. Go to "Special Features" on the main page, then "Generations: Uncut". It's number 18.
Posted by Dr. Phlox (Member # 878) on :
I have some screenshots I made from it using PowerDVD. I can upload them if you're having trouble getting captures from the DivX. Of course, the quality of them is pants.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
This may not be a complete list, but it might be useful. It comes from my own personal FileMaker database which will be moved to MySQL on my website some time in the next century or so.
(The strings of numbers at the end of each line are episode ID numbers for the automatic relationships inside my database. I can export the episode names instead, if that'd help.) EDIT: The shuttle from the Geordi-turns-into-an-alien episode was the Type-15 shuttlepod Cousteau, assigned to the USS Aries (NCC-45167).
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov: What's this Galileo/Galileo 2-thing again? G1 was destroyed, replaced by G2, which was lateron destroyed/abandoned as well, but we still saw it again as G2. Right?
Not quite. The Galileo first appeared in "The Galileo Seven", and was destroyed. It then appeared again As Galileoin "Metamophosis", and finally in "The Immunity Syndome", where it was destroyed again. The Galileo II first appeared in "The Way To Eden".
What the hell was going on with the Sakharov? Was it just continuously renamed without being relabelled? If you're including that, then Shuttlepod 05 was called the Onizuka on one occasion, although I can't recall which.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
The first Galileo also appeared in "The Doomsday Machine," in which the Nutcase of the Week, Commodore Decker, piloted it down the thing's maw and blew up. Posted by Dr. Phlox (Member # 878) on :
quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan: EDIT: The shuttle from the Geordi-turns-into-an-alien episode was the Type-15 shuttlepod Cousteau, assigned to the USS Aries (NCC-45167).
Not the one on the planet surface, the shuttle I'm talking about is stolen by one of Geordi's former crewmates. I just checked the episode. Lt. Hickman posted on what sounded like Nelia IV was spotted in his shuttle by a Federation supply ship the day before. The Enterprise then detects his Type 7 shuttle on its way to Tarchanen and watches helplessly as he flies it into the atmosphere and is killed. I've got some screencaps of the shuttle before it explodes. Looks like the registry has a 7 at each end, but you probably won't be able to tell by the JPEGs.
That's two "new" Type-7 shuttles I've found in as many days.
[ April 15, 2003, 01:12 PM: Message edited by: Dr. Phlox ]
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Was the type-7 shuttle resurrected for BOBW2 ever given an identity?
And the type-7 shuttle from "Skin of Evil" was "Shuttle 13"...
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
....two for tuesday, double post....
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Maybe... 72231, 70231, or 72221
That's about as clear as I could get it though.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Maybe 1701-D? I remember one of the early (1st or 2nd season) episodes where a guy from the E-D - who has not been accepted at the academy - steals a shuttle and accidentially flies it into the atmosphere of a planet. Picard manages to guide him out of the mess. Could have been a reused shot.
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: [QUOTE]If you're including that, then Shuttlepod 05 was called the Onizuka on one occasion, although I can't recall which.
"The Ensigns of Command" was the episode where the Shuttlepod was relabeled from El-Baz to Onizuka, but the number was not changed from 05 to 09.
Posted by Dr. Phlox (Member # 878) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov: Maybe 1701-D? I remember one of the early (1st or 2nd season) episodes where a guy from the E-D - who has not been accepted at the academy - steals a shuttle and accidentially flies it into the atmosphere of a planet. Picard manages to guide him out of the mess. Could have been a reused shot.
I just had a look at my screenshots from that episode and the angles are quite different, unless this was from unused footage.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov: Maybe 1701-D? I remember one of the early (1st or 2nd season) episodes where a guy from the E-D - who has not been accepted at the academy - steals a shuttle and accidentially flies it into the atmosphere of a planet. Picard manages to guide him out of the mess. Could have been a reused shot.
That was shuttle 13, the same shuttle that crashed in "Skin of Evil"...
Posted by aneurysm (Member # 906) on :
at the star trek the adventure in london theres is a model of a shutle, a type 7 i believe, although it was too high to see what it was labelled as the sign said that it was the shuttle magellan (SP?).
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
Interesting. The 30th anniversary book had a chapter about Trek's special effects. Besides showing a dark shot of what seems to be the type 6 filming miniature (the text says it's the Sacajawea) there's also a picture of one of the spacedock shuttles from the movies, obviously named "Magellan", according to the text.
Posted by Dr. Phlox (Member # 878) on :
There was another Type 7 shuttle at the exhibition, but it was only labelled Pod 1, there are some photos of it online. I also just found a few photos on my hard drive of a Type 7 with Pod 09 on it, it looks like it's a studio model at an exhibition. I didn't know there were any shuttles with that number.
While on the subject, they also had the Type 6 shuttle with separate damaged nacelles and the Starfleet Academy trainer model at the London exhibition. I took a few photos of them, but haven't finished the film yet.
Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :
Some additional notes:
Note 1 According to the ST:TNG Companion, the shuttle in "The Nth Degree" was named the Feynman.
Note 2 In "Devil's Due", the shuttlepod was identified as "Shuttle 1".
Note 3 There was no visual identification of shuttle 4 in "The Next Phase". In this episode, the shuttle, named the Goddard according to the Companion, was waiting for shuttle 4 to leave. Knowing that both shuttle classes 6 and 7 were operational to 2371, the unssen shuttle 4 could have been either one of those two classes or of an unseen class.
Note 4 In "Suspicions", Riker identified the Justman as a Class 6 shuttle.
Note 5 The second Hawking has her number on the hull. She was shuttle 15.
Note 6 I know of two numbers for the Goddard shuttle. The correct number for this shuttle was either 2 (ST: The Magazine) or 15 (ST: Fact Files).
Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :
The shuttle in "Identity Crisis". Could this shuttle have been assigned to a starship with the registry of NCC-70231 and parked at the starbase?
I think, on further reflection, the Copernicus NCC-1701/03 was listed in a ST: Magazine article. If so, for those who have the magazines, can you tell me and others what the specific information was for this shuttle? Thanks.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
UPDATE
Shuttle List 2 Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Delta Flyer...
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
So, I take it that the designations "Type-4" and "Type-5" for the TFF shuttles and the second Hawking are just your conjecture? (Because there was never any canonical type designation for either.)
And where did you get that the shuttle from Insurrection was named Galileo? (Or, for that matter, that it was designated "Type 11...")
And again, Shuttlepod 09 from "The Price" is named Ley.
The third page of Sternbach's last mag article includes a table showing the assignments and numbers of 9 out of the initial roster of 15 AeroShuttles.
[ April 15, 2003, 09:43 PM: Message edited by: The Mighty Monkey of Mim ]
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Are you sure the Copernicus was destroyed? All I remember is that the thrusters weren't working at the end of the film. Perhaps they went back down and retrieved it at the end?
What about Runabouts? They're just bigger shuttles, after all. And despite having their own NCCs, they still seemed to be assigned to big ships and stations.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: - Might you want to include the mining shuttle Nenebek from "Final Mission", Pentarus V, the planet it is from is a Federation planet? (I say this due to the inclusion of the Vulcan shuttle...)
No, it was not a Federation planet. The Feds were just called to mediate a mining dispute on the planet as an outside party. Captain Dirgo actually says "We don't have the luxuries of the Federation" or something along those lines in the episode.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
I agree it was a far reach to be Federation and I realize what Dirgo said...which actually was: "I don't have the Federation's resources..." regarding the age of his ship, but then again earlier during the teaser the conversation between Wes and Picard said something which might suggest that it was an outpost or 'territory' or 'protectorate':
----- Picard - "And as your final mission aboard the Enterprise... I'd like you to accompany me to Pentarus while I try to sort things out with the miners.........Mister Riker tells me you've been studying the effects of outpost judiciary decisions on Federation Law. What better way to get first-hand experience?" ----- That implies that this dispute was one of an 'outpost' and he was conducting something that was to be a 'judiciary decision', similar to those that he heard Wes was studying and how those cases effect Federation Law.
And for some reason the Omnipedia also sees Pentarus V a Federation planet.
Similarily, the ship did have a non-Starfleet, yet Federation registry of "NAR-2066"....
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: yet Federation registry of "NAR-2066"....
That's a myth. The Nenebek had just a graphitti-style "2066" on its hull.
quote:According to the ST:TNG Companion, the shuttle in "The Nth Degree" was named the Feynman.
Strange. That was a Type 7, while the Feynman in "Chain of Command" was a Type 6.
quote:The second Hawking has her number on the hull. She was shuttle 15.
Do you have any pictures?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Can someone do a chart of all the 'type x' shuttles. I keep forgetting which is which!
And is it generally the smaller the shuttle the higher the number - i.e. type 15 shuttle pod and the seemingly smaller Defiant's type 17!!
Type 20 - it's just a toilet! Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Janeway's SC-4 shuttle was a Type 18H!!!! And I thought mislabeling the Type 9/12 shuttle was strange.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Maybe type 18H = 18 Huge!
or after 17 start again at larger sizes?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
The type 9A in the chart is that just from the Tech Manual? If so - where are all the other shuttles? Weren't there quite a few in there?
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: What about Runabouts? They're just bigger shuttles, after all. And despite having their own NCCs, they still seemed to be assigned to big ships and stations.
I disagree with adding the Runabouts to the list. The Runabouts have the addition of U.S.S. to their names and their own NCC numbers. The USS Rio Grande is as much an independant starship as a Nebula Class is. The only difference between a Runabout and a typical larger starship is the crew count. All the other technology and such is the same. Not all of that applies to shuttlecraft as easily as the Runabouts. (The only thing we didn't get to see on the Runabouts that would've been neat is their dedication plaques.) From what we've seen, Runabouts are no more 'assigned' to ships and stations any more than other starships are.
I do aggree the Delta Flyer should be listed as a Shuttlecraft, as it is attached to USS Voyager.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I sent a question into the Star Trek Magazine that actually got printed about the dedication plaques on the Runabouts. The set designers never put them in. So we have assume that either runabouts don't have plaques, or they're just tucked away in some corner that we've never seen before. I choose the latter.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Personally, I'd prefer to think of runabouts as "real" starships, but definitely assigned to other ships or facilities, and with names that, (seemingly) like shuttles, are assigned by the commanding officer (or other such high-up or group of high-ups) at said location. So, I would think that would preclude an "official" dedication plaque, though I can certainly see someone making up their own to put in.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
I've omitted the Captain's Yachts and the Aero Wings because I don't think of them as pure shuttles, they're more like auxiliary vehicles and are integrated into the ships' structure and systems. So technically I'd have to list a load of blank entries for the yachts docked aboard all known Galaxy and Nebula-Class Starships, which would be a real waste. I will however make a point to add mentions of the Yachts in the Starship section of my list.
The Delta Flyer I am unsure about. Given that they were custom builds of which there probably won't be any further examples and that neither of them displayed an individual shuttle number, I'm inclined to think of them as auxiliary vessels, like the Aeroshuttle.
As for the Runabouts, yes they are Starships in their own right and on the Starships list they will stay. I don't see any problem with Runabouts having dedication plaques, they must be fairly straight forward to replicate and there are a few compartments onboard that we have never seen. Perhaps the Plaques go in the central passageway on the forward most wall.
quote: So, I take it that the designations "Type-4" and "Type-5" for the TFF shuttles and the second Hawking are just your conjecture? (Because there was never any canonical type designation for either.)
A minor leap of logic.
quote: And where did you get that the shuttle from Insurrection was named Galileo? (Or, for that matter, that it was designated "Type 11...")
The name is from the concept sketches and I'm not sure where I picked up the type designation, I may remove it at the next update or just leave it as another leap of logic.
BTW, what is the origin of the speed boat shuttle's Type- 9 designation? was it ever mentioned onscreen? I ask since I'd much perfer it be a Type-12, especially given the similarity to the future T-15H.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
While Sternbach always intended the "Type-12" designation, the design was explicitly called "Type-9" onscreen in "Resolutions" (VGR) and IIRC at least one other episode.
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
^^^^
It was also called Type 9 in the early episodes (at least in the first episode we saw one). The only reason Sternbach insisted in "Type 12" and even got the line into a script was some sort of Trek-tech-geek-egoism. His book contained a reference to the 9a, a freight shuttle, so the 9 could not be a long distance "speedboat". We concider the Techbooks at least semi-canon, and he wanted some continuity. So, from my point of view, the speedboat *is* a Type 12. And the E-E has 24 decks, not 29. Statement versus statement, pick the one you prefer.
And Reverend, are you sure about the Galileo sketch? I don't remember seeing the name anywhere in the Making-of-book (or do you have another source?).
Posted by aneurysm (Member # 906) on :
quote:Originally posted by aneurysm: at the star trek the adventure in london theres is a model of a shutle, a type 7 i believe, although it was too high to see what it was labelled as the sign said that it was the shuttle magellan (SP?).
i forgot to say that it was a shuttle from voyager!! sorry guys....maybe somone else who visited the event got a picture. my picture of the shuttle didnt come out very well.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Type-9 it is then. I'm not too worried about the Type-9A since in my theoretical clasification system the Cargo Shuttle would be a Class-3 and so would not clash with the Class-2 Type-9.
As for the E-E shuttle's name, look at the side views, you can just about see it, just aft of the windows.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I dunno about the Runabouts being completely independent though. Everyone we saw was assigned somewhere, either to DS9, or to the Academy, or wherever. I'd even hazard that the one Picard and co rode on in "Timescape" was assigned to the Enterprise, otherwise they were going to end up ferrying another starship around for god knows how long.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
I always viewed Runabouts (as well as the Delta Flyer) at the top end of the 'shuttle scale', as in contrast to saying that the Oberth Class is at the bottum of the 'starship scale'. Despite being partially independant, Runabouts/Delta Flyer is still limited much more so than the 'standard starship'.
They are probably created in mass production, unlike starships and morelike shuttles; they are limited to low warp, such as some of shuttles (ie Type-12) are; they are relatively lightly armed, as Captain Keogh seemed to imply that they were a joke in any sort of battle; and ultimately the name "runabout" itself implies something that is just 'not quite', for a lack of a better word, full scale.
Classic Runabout: A small motorboat. A light aircraft. A small, open automobile or carriage
Trek Runabout: A small, warp-capable vessel used for short-range missions.
So, if anything they could be viewed as a 'hybrid' as we have seen some shuttles with similar capabilities as runabouts, and runabouts with similiar capabilities as starships....
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
To quote Rick Sterbach: "The Runabout is a true multirole starship with engine efficiencies and cargo capacities proportional to larger vessels"
Runabouts have their own "USS" and "NCC" prefixes and can operate independently of a mothership, they are defiantly Starships and not shuttles, as has been made clear from the get-go.
However I will concede that the gap between Starship and Shuttle is getting increasingly narrow, especially since "Insurrection". You could argue that this gap will continue to close as time goes on, which will probably culminate in the 29th Century Timeships like the Aeon. For now however, the Danube-Class is not a shuttle and the E-E's Shuttle is not a Runabout.
Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :
To add credence to this theory of Runabouts being not shuttles, they have their own super class. In the first episode of DS9, Commander Sisko says the USS Enterprise has delivered three Runabout Class ships.
I place the Runabout Class as lower in placement than the Scout Class, which includes the Oberth Class, and the Starship Class.
The existence of a Runabout Class implies to me both the longevity of runabouts in Starfleet service and the existence of additional unseen classes. I don't place the Sydney Class in this super class for the USS Jenolan was identified as a transport in an Okudagram seen in "Relics".
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Super class? Wouldn't "Classification" be a more accurate and less confusing term?
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
To return to this Type 9 vs Type 12 thing once more:
I just plain can't find any reference in onscreen VOY to a connection between Type 9 and the speedboat. Sure, "Resolutions" mentions that the crew left a Type 9 for Janeway and Chakotay to use, but this craft is never seen and could just as easily be a heavy long-range cargo shuttle not unlike the TNG TM one. Which would probably even make good sense - one of those could easily carry the stasis pods and the prefab building, while a speedboat would get really cramped.
And going through the pain that is "Threshold" didn't turn up any Type 9 references. I'd need more exact instructions to spot those.
From season 5 on, the shuttles became "Class 2", so Type 9 references would have to come from seasons 3-4 primarily - season 2 didn't feature the shuttle type beyond "Threshold" and "Basics". So where to hunt for the references?
"The Swarm"? "Future's End"? "Coda" or "Unity"? (But those were type 8, right?) "Day of Honor"? "The Raven"? "Mortal Coil"? "Hunters"? "Demon"? (Type 6 there only)
Those are basically the only shuttle-featuring eps there, right?
If the speedboat was Type 12, then we could more easily pretend the numbers are more or less chronological. Which brings me to another issue: IMHO, it's a good idea to steer clear of calling the TOS shuttle Type 1. Virtually nothing Kirk did, said or possessed was explicitly considered "the first of its kind". The hardware he operated wasn't experimental or roundbreaking (save for M-5). I'd assume his shuttles to have been the 8th such type in Starfleet use or something.
So if we want to run a chronological list of types from 1 to 12, Type 4 probably ought to be somewhere in the mid-24th century, rather than apply to the ST5 shuttle. TOS, TAS and TOS movie era classification systems ought to run separately, perhaps based on the "Class F" and "Class S" designations we hear.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Here are all of the Season 2 and 3 eps I have shuttles seen or mention in (including possible types, I wasnt all too up on my types at that time, mind you):
*One note I had was that the Type 9 had a maximum speed of w/f 4 (from "Resolutions", I believe) mighty fast for a shuttle...!!
Then it gets really weird for season 3 as I have a type/class-2 in "Nemesis" and then I seem to bounce back and forth between type-6 (which I may have confused with type-8ers on occation) and type-9ers throughout the rest of the season. This may or may not be any help, but I did make a half assed attempt to keep track of it despite hating the show...
Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
That also happened when Seven of Nine joined Voyager at Season 4. It makes me wonder exactly what types of shuttles does the ship carry.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Maybe Janeway was conserving replicator privileges the first two seasons for her devious plans of conquering the airwaves with her fleet of mass replicated shuttlecrafts and cloned crewmembers...
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
I'd suggest a mix of types 6 and 8 for "classic" shuttling around, with generous spares to build new specimen; a couple of type 12 craft for long range, high speed (warp 2-3?), lotsa muscle operations; a single type 9 (warp 4) cargo shuttle to compensate for the lack of a properly installed aeroshuttle; and possibly a few shuttlepods or workbees we never saw in action.
MSDs and inconsistent visuals notwithstanding, the ship could have a humungous hangar in the secondary hull, multicompartmentalized and separated from the outer doors by several internal partitions. Twelve "Class 2" shuttles (say, six Type 6/8, six Type 12) plus the DF and/or a "Type 9C" (think the TM craft but with Voyager-style ramscoops on the nacelles ) could be fitted in easily enough.
To move the larger types around, perhaps the partitioning walls are movable? The smaller sliding doors on the walls would be used normally, but when something bigger than a Class 2 has to go through, the whole wall can be unbolted and moved aside.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
After my exams I plan to finishe my Voyager-shuttlehangar. And I can tell you - it will be a mess. I've worked out several ways to fit the five (yes, five) different hangars and bays we've seen into the ass end of the ship. Furthermore I've extrapolated the theoretical maximum an Intrepid with such a hangar configuration can carry. Here's my suffestion; 2 type 12 (we've seen to nex to each other, so add an "at least"), the DF, the Baxial, one or two Type 6 and one or two type 8. Keep in mind that this would already overcrowd the five bays. For some strange reason, all of those are not larger than the average cargo bay (Maybe thy are even cargo bays - Chakotay said that the Vidiians were entering the ship through the shuttlebays in the Kes-reunion-episode, and Janeway did - at some point - also speak of more than one shuttlebay.)
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
If we could take this briefly back to the Runabout again, I took a picture today of my 1/72 scale Runabout model with in-scale models of the TNG Shuttlepod, the Trek V Shuttle, and a 1/72 figure.
The Runabout to me is clearly much larger and beyond the scope of other shuttlecraft. Not many shuttles were bigger than the Trek V version, at least not by much. The photo really gives a sense of size to these beasts! Shuttle Comparison Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Heh, the aft compartment of a runabout could be refitted to be a shuttle-bay for a type-15!
Actually - I'd like to see someone do a model - CGI or otherwise of the Danube class runabout without the mission-pods.
Just the middle corridor spine down to the aft compartment.
Andrew
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
I actually have one underway now...model kit that is. It will have a separated front cabin, 4 separate cargo pods, and the aft compartment/ corridor/spine/nacelles.
I want to do another Runabout as a cutaway that reveals the interior, the inside of the impulse engines, the innards of the warp drive and nacelle coils, the aft compartment, etc.
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