I just learned that the fighter first seen in "The Jem Hadar" had a blue glow underneath. I understand that later fighters hade purple to match the nacelles. I have good screenshots of the fighters from "The Jem Hadar", I�d like to see caps from the underside of the other version. Anyone?
Posted by Cartmaniac (Member # 256) on :
Not much of a 'cap, but...
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
Edit: duh, I didn't read the opening message well.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
I dunno, here is the one from "The Jem'Hadar" for comparison....
...looks pretty purple to me. However, the 'thorax' has a bluish hue to it...
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Well, the "thorax" was what I meant by "underneath", so those caps were what I was talking about. They apparantly switched colours to match the nacelles. Thanks for the caps, the fighters from "The jem hadar" I have thanks to Spike, any bigger caps of the purple variant?
Coincidentely, should one consider these two as separate classes, is the purple one an upgrade?
Posted by Dr. Phlox (Member # 878) on :
Here's a good view of the underside. The difference in colouring shows up well.
Coincidentely, should one consider these two as separate classes, is the purple one an upgrade?
God I hope not...thats an awefully anal reason to call for a new class designation.
[ June 09, 2003, 02:19 PM: Message edited by: Futurama Guy ]
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Well, anal is a bit hard, but why not a new class? We have no idea what the purple glow is about, it could mean a new drive system, weapons upgrade, anything...
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
Not that we actually have a class designation for these anyway, do we?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I don't think we can even say for sure whether the Dominion names its ships at all, beyond whatever codenames required for coordinating missions. On the other hand, it's quite possible they do, since the Jem'Hadar have names, and both are weapons systems.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Starship Freak: Well, anal is a bit hard, but why not a new class? We have no idea what the purple glow is about, it could mean a new drive system, weapons upgrade, anything...
A Miranda Class with or without a rollbar or with side mounted sensor/(weapon?) pods is still a Miranda Class isn't it? Same with the Excelsior. Those are much more noticable cosmetic changes than the hue of the hull of a ships glow and hardly enough to go by to classify as anything different.
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
Anal is too strong a word, but he has a point. After all, we've seen several variants of the Galaxy Class . . . the Galaxy herself has been seen to have a new warp drive system color scheme compared to other ships, insofar as the very bright near-white blue line, with sky blue around it.
Variant . . . not class.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Or maybe they were just running her on premium rather the standard unleaded...
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
It may just be the difference between the physical model of the fighter's color versus the CGI version that appeared later. "Jem'Hadar" was still filmed with models.
It could also be attributed to the filtering used when filming the models. The models are simply lighted with neon with little to no color to them. The multiple filming passes are filtered to give the colors.
(That's why the Enterprise-C has a blue impulse engine in it's first appearance; the impulse engine was filmed during the warp nacelle pass rather than filtered red.)
Posted by TheF0rce (Member # 533) on :
The color issue "could" mean the difference between a "fighter" variant and a "attack ship" variant.......LOL Nevermind, that's just wishful thinking.
Though thinking back, the blue belly ships did fire pulses solely instead of beams.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
I think the premium vs. unleaded theory is actually a pretty nifty one. If we saw no purple-bellied bugs in the Gamma quadrant, we could argue that the invasion force in Alpha used local fuel, resulting in a different emission spectrum...
So, when did we see 'em bugs in Gamma? "Starship Down"? "The Ship"? "In Purgatory's Shadow"? A bit too often for the theory to hold.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
I wish these things didn't need to be explained...
Hell, if we were all colorblind it really wouldnt matter whatsoever.... Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Blue belly, lol.
Just gotta say, that ship is possibly the best alien cruiser design ever, I love it. Especially that rear view first posted in this thread. It looks like a predator, arms (pylons) spread out and looking for something to shred to pieces.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dr. Phlox: Here's a good view of the underside. The difference in colouring shows up well.
Did you take that capture? It is VERY good. One of the clearest I've seen of that scene.
Posted by Dr. Phlox (Member # 878) on :
I found it(with a few others) while doing a search on Google once, it's from the website of the guy who did the CGI. I'll see if I can find it again, there's a good shot of the Cardassian workbee in one of the pics.
Doesn't this pic solves the mystery of that hulk in the upper right hand corner? I mean, we can be sure now it's a nebula and not a galaxy in anyway. In anyway! Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
S'what I've been saying all along...
Mark
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by SoundEffect: It may just be the difference between the physical model of the fighter's color versus the CGI version that appeared later. "Jem'Hadar" was still filmed with models.
Well, someone would have to check to see when the underbelly became blue then. The Jem'Hadar ships were still largely models up to season 5, weren't they?
And I always called them "attack bugs", or something similar. But I am crazy.
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: The Jem'Hadar ships were still largely models up to season 5, weren't they?
Yep. I believe there was still times they used the physical miniature in season 6, such as "Rocks and Shoals" and "Favor the Bold" (and possibly others). I'm pretty sure those two Bugs that fly over the Defiant in "FtB" are the miniature.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Here are two good top-to-bottom screenshots of the ship. The top shot is the ship from "The Jem'Hadar", and the bottom shot is the ship from the next episode, "The Search".
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I'll see if I can find it again, there's a good shot of the Cardassian workbee in one of the pics.![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
