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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Valiant</b> <br /><small>Member # 1075</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,6,16,17,57,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 16, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:57 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Does anyone know the type of weapons a Dominion Battleship uses. I'm refering to the ship which destroyed the USS Valiant. I recalled is used white glowing pulses/torpedeos although I can't remember a name for them.<br /><br />If there isn't anything canon or backstage do you have any theories as to what they are? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>J</b> <br /><small>Member # 608</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,6,16,19,30,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 16, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:30 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> phased polaron beam weapons are what is listed in the DS9 TM... but it also says there are probably other weapons--- which I'm sure there are <G> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>MinutiaeMan</b> <br /><small>Member # 444</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,6,17,7,41,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 17, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:41 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I always just called them "phased polaron pulse cannons," the same type of weapon as the beam weapons they use. Kinda like the Defiant has the pulse phasers to match the more standard beam phasers... <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Mucus</b> <br /><small>Member # 24</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,6,17,15,49,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 17, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:49 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Everything is better when its phased or pulsed, isn't it? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <br /><br />The next Dominion weapons upgrade would be what? multiphasic phased polaron pulse cannons? <br />subspace phased polaron pulse cannons? <br />phased polaron pulse cannons extreme?<br /><br />Heh. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Griffworks</b> <br /><small>Member # 1014</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,6,17,19,49,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 17, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:49 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Phased Super Gundam Polaran Pulse Canon's! <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Jason Abbadon</b> <br /><small>Member # 882</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,6,17,21,52,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 17, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:52 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I'm sure that both the heavy cruiser and battleship would also carry the type of torpedo that breeched the Defiant's hull (ep. name eludes me, but Quark and a Kerrama guy have to disarm it: it has a crystal cylinder for a detoanator).<br /><br />Notice that the Dominion have no intermedeate sized ships? It's either small attack ships(90ish meters) or huge cruisers (between 650-700 meters) and the obscenely large battleships (1500 meters or thereabouts).<br />While it's by no means canon, you should check out the Jemmie Light Cruiser made for the Dominion Wars PC game.<br />The game sucks but looks amazing and has several great and -sucky- original starship designs for the Dominion, Cardassian and Federation. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Futurama Guy</b> <br /><small>Member # 968</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,6,18,1,52,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 18, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:52 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:<br /><strong> I'm sure that both the heavy cruiser and battleship would also carry the type of torpedo that breeched the Defiant's hull (ep. name eludes me, but Quark and a Kerrama guy have to disarm it: it has a crystal cylinder for a detoanator).<br /> </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">"Starship Down" <br />They were simply called "torpedos", of a variety sold to the Jem'Hadar by the Karemma. However, there was no mention of a "crystal cylinder for a detonator"...just about the 2 diodes it had, one of which was responsible for deactiving it. At least that is what I gathered from the FF version of the ep I watched. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Lee</b> <br /><small>Member # 393</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,6,18,4,28,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 18, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:28 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Mucus:<br /><strong> Everything is better when its phased or pulsed, isn't it? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <br /><br />The next Dominion weapons upgrade would be what? multiphasic phased polaron pulse cannons? <br />subspace phased polaron pulse cannons? <br />phased polaron pulse cannons extreme?<br /><br />Heh. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You forgot adding "iso-" to everything. Isophased Isopolaron Isopulse Isocannons anyone? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Dax</b> <br /><small>Member # 191</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,6,18,5,29,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 18, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:29 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:<br /><strong>Notice that the Dominion have no intermedeate sized ships? It's either small attack ships(90ish meters) or huge cruisers (between 650-700 meters) and the obscenely large battleships (1500 meters or thereabouts).</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I tend to think that the Jem'Hadar ended up with a pretty good range of ships. They had the small warship, medium/large battlecruiser, and gigantic battleship. They never really needed a light/medium cruiser because it would've just ended up serving the same purpose as the existing battlecruiser.<br /><br />The thing that gets me is that the Romulans never seemed to have a medium sized cruiser during the entire TNG/DS9 era. In fact, they exclusively used D'deridexes during DS9. That'd be like if the Jem'Hadar only used their "Valiant" battleship. Silly really. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Cartmaniac</b> <br /><small>Member # 256</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,6,18,5,46,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 18, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:46 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The Dominion also had those ~5000m UBER dreadnoughts from WYLB (externally identical to the <i>Valiant</i> battleship, but an order of magnitude larger)... I'd say the J'H are fairly well represented on the battlefield. B) <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> <br /><small>Member # 30</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,6,18,22,32,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 18, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:32 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> We'll, if we're going to count that, then we should also count the weird varients of the larger ships. Uh, the ones bigger than the small ones, but smaller than the big ones. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Jason Abbadon</b> <br /><small>Member # 882</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,6,18,23,11,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 18, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:11 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> NO 5000 meter long battlleship.<br />Nope.<br />Didint happen.....<br />See Bernd's site for the lowdown.<br />1500 meters aprox...and that is it.<br /><br />The sanity of the world and several pages of bandwidth are counting on us to drop this line of debate now.,,,,before it's too late. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Cartmaniac</b> <br /><small>Member # 256</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,6,19,3,52,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 19, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:52 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The world is already insane. A little extra madness won't hurt. Much. B)<br /><br />Anyway, I just make a personal distinction between scenes in which ships are intentionally scaled up to suggest the existence of a MOTHAR OF GODZLILA derivative design (the BoPs from <i>The Defector</i>, the <i>WYLB</i> dreadnoughts, and, uh, the Negh'var from <i>Shattered Mirror</i>) and scenes where size discrepancies are the result of sloppy FX, people not doing their research, or both.<br /><br />And yeah, I KNOW it's unfeasible from an engineering POV, but there you go. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Dax</b> <br /><small>Member # 191</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,6,19,5,17,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 19, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:17 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Cartmaniac:<br /><strong>Anyway, I just make a personal distinction between scenes in which ships are intentionally scaled up to suggest the existence of a MOTHAR OF GODZLILA derivative design (the BoPs from <i>The Defector</i>, the <i>WYLB</i> dreadnoughts, and, uh, the Negh'var from <i>Shattered Mirror</i>) and scenes where size discrepancies are the result of sloppy FX, people not doing their research, or both.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">One of the guys who used to work on the VFX during TNG admitted to me in one of our emails that the ginomous BoPs in "Defector" was an error in production. That was a relatively heavy VFX laden episode, and apparently they were overworked, and that's why the scaling error occured -- it wasn't intentional.<br /><br />The massive "Shattered Mirror"/"Emperors New Cloak" Negh'var is likely intentional. No real problem though since it's the Mirror Universe.<br /><br />It's hard to say whether or not the "WYLB" battleships are meant to really be <i>that</i> big or if it's a VFX error. The only real problem is the battlecruisers flying in front but, if those battlecruisers were really attack bugs at that size, we wouldn't have a problem. Maybe the VFX team were stupid enough to get the two CG models mixed up -- it's not entirely unlikely.<br /><br />When all's said and done, there are examples of ship scaling that's impossible to ignore i.e. the Hideki in "Tacking into the Wind" and the Kazon raider/shuttle. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Nim</b> <br /><small>Member # 205</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,6,19,5,51,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 19, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:51 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> There was the smaller, V-winged Dominion cruiser, the one that chased that runabout in one of the first Dominion eps.<br />It was about 385 meters, according to Daryus Aden.<br /><br />The weapons the battleship used on the Valiant were homing weapons, thus they couldn't have been energy discharges. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Malnurtured Snay</b> <br /><small>Member # 411</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,6,19,7,5,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 19, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:05 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> What the hell happened to good ol' Daryus? Swallowed by a mud bog, mayhaps? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Dax</b> <br /><small>Member # 191</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,6,19,7,16,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 19, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:16 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The V-winged cruisers are simply the normal battlecruiser but look a little different because they were represented by a short-lived miniature/CGI (not sure which). The original fleet of cruisers that came through the wormhole were all V-wings yet all the cruisers later seen are the established type. Anyway, it's pretty clear they're meant to be one and the same.<br /><br />And yes indeed, the "Valiant" battleship weapons must of been torpedos since there was a scene where the bolt/torpedo things fired in a tracking arc. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>darkwing_duck1</b> <br /><small>Member # 790</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,6,21,23,42,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 21, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:42 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:<br /><strong> I'm sure that both the heavy cruiser and battleship would also carry the type of torpedo that breeched the Defiant's hull (ep. name eludes me, but Quark and a Kerrama guy have to disarm it: it has a crystal cylinder for a detoanator).<br /><br />Notice that the Dominion have no intermedeate sized ships? It's either small attack ships(90ish meters) or huge cruisers (between 650-700 meters) and the obscenely large battleships (1500 meters or thereabouts).<br />While it's by no means canon, you should check out the Jemmie Light Cruiser made for the Dominion Wars PC game.<br />The game sucks but looks amazing and has several great and -sucky- original starship designs for the Dominion, Cardassian and Federation. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">You forgot the obscenely huge Dominion "dreadnaught" shown in orbit of Cardassia in "What You Leave Behind"...<br /><br /> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <br /><br />Has anyone taken a shot at sizing that monster?<br /><br />*dang, someone beat me to it...* <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>CaptainMike20X6</b> <br /><small>Member # 709</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2003,6,22,0,33,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 22, 2003</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:33 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> 4rmerm3nts 1nclud3 multipl4smic isoph4s3d p4rticl3 ph4z0rz <i>!!</i> <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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