If anyone has this issue, could you scan pp 66-68 and post please? I'm told a ship I designed is displayed.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on July 30, 2003 02:52 AM:
I saw that in the store just yesterday. It's in an article about the Decipher artwork & it shows the Thruxton design...USS Argyll, I believe.
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on August 01, 2003 09:15 AM:
Yep, that's mine.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on August 01, 2003 04:05 PM:
What ship is this? You did work for the CCG?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on August 01, 2003 05:46 PM:
Speaking of the Communicator, awhile back they had a picture of that map hanging in Mayweather's room on the Horizon. I wonder if anyone has a scan of that.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on August 01, 2003 06:31 PM:
Do you mean this picture from this thread?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on August 02, 2003 02:50 AM:
I'd guess he doesn't, since he's asking about the map, not a ship schematic.
Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on August 02, 2003 08:08 AM:
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: What ship is this? You did work for the CCG?
To my knowledge, the Thruxton class tactical cruiser design first appeared in "StarFleet Prototype", back in '92, and I'm pretty sure the CCG you're talking about wasn't around back then. Apparently, the CCG folks have used his design for the game.
Personally, I'm interested to know if they got David's permission to use it....
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on August 02, 2003 10:11 AM:
I don't think that was the design in the article, though. I very clearly remember it labeled as USS Argyll NCC-3090 & I do believe it had 3 nacelles.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on August 02, 2003 06:55 PM:
1 statement and 1 question:
I reckon that ship looks better if it as upside down.
Q: What program do people use to make those sorts of schematic pictures - there are lots especially at shipschematics.net
Andrew
Posted by Identity Crisis (Member # 67) on August 02, 2003 08:07 PM:
I think so. It's been almost a week since I saw it, though...& it was in passing. But I think that might be it.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on August 03, 2003 12:05 AM:
Yeah, that's pretty much it, the Adamant DNF design from Starfleet Prototype. I don't recall the ventral deflector array, though. That artist took some liberties with the design. Here you go.
Mark
Posted by Identity Crisis (Member # 67) on August 03, 2003 01:23 AM:
But whilst taking liberties he didn't fix the problem with the aft torp tubes and the centre nacelle...
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on August 03, 2003 03:16 AM:
The best part is that -- from the picture -- it looks like that's supposed to be an Ambassador-style saucer, at least according to the windows. But the engines, torpedo pod, and bridge module are all the same Miranda-derived bits of the original design. I am not too impressed with the "artist"...
--Jonah
Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on August 03, 2003 07:10 AM:
Just picked this issue up today and was actually a bit disappointed to see that the author of the article apparently got the Adamant design confused w/the Thruxton. Still, one of the ships from David Schmidt's "StarFleet Prototype" book sorta makes it into "semi-canon" print, at least.
As to the ship in that link above: Not only did he not fix the problem w/the aft photorp tubes, but he added the lower warp nacelles pylon attachment point at the BOTTOM of the nacelles! WTF?!? Not a terribly well thought-out "ripoff", IMO. You'd think the guy could at least acknowledge his inpsiration for the design. It's pretty damned obvious to anyone who's got to the books and/or is in to starship design, after all.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on August 03, 2003 01:59 PM:
Actually, I think torpedos from the aft launchers would barely clear the sides of the central nacelle.
Posted by Identity Crisis (Member # 67) on August 03, 2003 03:39 PM:
Based on http://www.region5.org/projects/argyllfor.htm I think they guy was asked to make the 3D renderings by someone else and hasn't actually got a clue about where the ship came from. A little bit of research wouldn't have killed him though.
Posted by BJ_O (Member # 858) on August 19, 2003 01:10 PM:
quote:Originally posted by Sol System: Speaking of the Communicator, awhile back they had a picture of that map hanging in Mayweather's room on the Horizon. I wonder if anyone has a scan of that.
Yes, I finally got around to it. Trouble is, in order to get it large enough to read the fine print, it came out to a 532kb jpeg, even with 50% compression. I don't want to host it from my site, and I don't have access to Flare Upload. If someone wants to grab it and upload it for me, you can get it here: bj.o.home.mindspring.com/BJ_art/horizon-map.jpg
B.J.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on August 19, 2003 02:14 PM:
Awesome! Thanks. I'll put it up here, assuming someone doesn't beat me to it.
Some (very minor) thoughts:
1.) I wonder why "Restricted Space" is restricted, and by whom.
2.) I wonder what those NGC numbers correspond to, if they are real, and if they are reflective of some real relatively near to Earth area of space.
Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on August 19, 2003 02:24 PM:
Done!
Horizon map Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on August 19, 2003 06:16 PM:
--Jonah
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on August 19, 2003 06:41 PM:
The only two names that make sense on that map are Trelkis III, from "Horizon" (apparently further out than the 150 ly NX-01 has traveled). The other one is Alpha III, from "Court Martial" (TOS).
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on August 19, 2003 06:46 PM:
NGC 1701 Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on August 20, 2003 12:43 PM:
Of course, as would be obvious if, say, certain people named Simon paused to think and research for just a moment before posting, this map is riddled with all sorts of oddities. Like, the NGC catalog only goes up to 7840, and being a historical document it is unlikely people will take up adding more. Or, that it is primarily a collection of things which didn't look like stars in the late 19th century, meaning it's mostly galaxies and nebulae. And I don't think "AlphaIII" is necessarily the Alpha III of Original Series usage, seeing as how the map is scattered with AlphaXXXX objects. So, boo to me, and goodbye to any future career that doesn't involve tedious repetition, too.
But! My absolute favorite thing on anything Star Trek related ever: "Access to higher level databases should be arranged by public key messages to the publisher of this chart." When will there be an episode devoted to the sexy cryptographic systems in use in the 22nd century?
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on August 22, 2003 01:44 AM:
"To my knowledge, the Thruxton class tactical cruiser design first appeared in "StarFleet Prototype", back in '92, and I'm pretty sure the CCG you're talking about wasn't around back then. Apparently, the CCG folks have used his design for the game.
Personally, I'm interested to know if they got David's permission to use it...."
No, they didn't. Not to worry, I'm flattered someone remembers. Although I'm a bit puzzled by all the dorsal windows on the saucer section...
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on August 22, 2003 02:09 AM:
It looks like they used the Ambassador window arrangement, but the "artist" was so woefully uninformed about Trek ships that they were juxtaposed with design features incompatible with that layout (the saucer bearing those windows is how much bigger than the one on the Adamant...?).
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