Excellent. I always enjoy seeing new photos of the studio models. Thanks, Jason.
Interesting how one of the photos has two D'deridex Warbird miniatures together. This might give some credence to the "two different Warbird miniatures" theory, or they may simply be two castings of the same mould.
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
Thanks for that Jason! That site is Gold! Love the Oberth shot! Since I hadn't seen a good shot of the TNG era of Oberths, I hadn't realized they had placed Transporter Emitter decals on the filming miniature!
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
What's this then? A proto-T'Pau? Or modification of the T'Pau model I've forgotten about?
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Maybe the Vulcan freighter from "For the Cause"?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
...And general DS9 use, I'd wager.
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Holy FOOK, man! It's Earth*Star Voyager and Triton Corsair! I haven't seen that show in ages, and the models kicked major ass. But... no Vanguard Explorer?
Mark
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
A Bajoran StarDestroyer....
Posted by Identity Crisis (Member # 67) on :
Never seen that before. Looks very different to the Klingon guns from ST3 onwards. I'm surprised they built gun props for the Klingons in TMP.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
It's possible that the Warbird model behind the bloke is damaged, which is why they are building a new one.
Also, the one in the back seems to be in the TNG colour schemem, whereas the one at front looks more DS9-ish, although it also looks unfinished.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
And wasn't the Veco a custom made model for that episode, rather than a modification of the Grissom?
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Harry: What's this then? A proto-T'Pau? Or modification of the T'Pau model I've forgotten about?
Probably when the T'Pau model was modified for Tosk's ship in "Captive Pursuit." I'm guessing that that splotch on the warp cowling is supposed to be battle damage...
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: And wasn't the Veco a custom made model for that episode, rather than a modification of the Grissom?
Yes, the Vico was a custom model with full damage detail.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I noticed that about the Vico -- the image's caption stated that it was 18 inches long. I thought that was pretty small for an ILM model, even if it was supposed to be a small ship, too. I'd forgotten that they made a custom model to show all that damage...
Posted by WizArtist (Member # 1095) on :
Excellent link! I'm curious about the Earthstar models. What was the premise of that show? What was the battleship? I don't recall ever seeing that before today.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Ritten: A Bajoran StarDestroyer....
That's the freighter with the red nacelle glow from the opening credits (and numerous other apearances, including a nacelle-less black version from Voyager).
Posted by kmart (Member # 1092) on :
Never seen that before. Looks very different to the Klingon guns from ST3 onwards. I'm surprised they built gun props for the Klingons in TMP.
Just another way to drive the budget even higher ... the more one reads about TMP, the more obvious that a lot of the excess was deliberate (a friend of mine who is more into TMP than I is convinced one reason Paramount made it as a feature was to revitalize a lot of Paramount subsidiaries, such as Magicam, with a lot of dollars that could be charged to a production -- practically the only major Paramount project of the period that was made on that lot and relied on in-house facilities to that degree -- and then written off.)
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by kmart: (a friend of mine who is more into TMP than I is convinced one reason Paramount made it as a feature was to revitalize a lot of Paramount subsidiaries, such as Magicam, with a lot of dollars that could be charged to a production -- practically the only major Paramount project of the period that was made on that lot and relied on in-house facilities to that degree -- and then written off.)
Except that, as you know, tons of the work went off the lot. Sounds a little "conspiracy theory" to me. My personal guess is it was more a "too many cooks" situation.
Posted by kmart (Member # 1092) on :
The theory supporting the 'let's rejuvenate paramount" notion gains some credence if you buy into the idea that originally, Par was looking to buy up Abel and incorporate them as THE in-house vfx house for future paramount shows. That was the emerging model, with Universal trying to do that with Dykstra and then succeeding (for awhile) with their Hartland facility, and when Par had first acquired Magicam, it wasn't just a model shop, but a new fx technology provider(chromakey liveaction with model stages, developed by Trumbull.)
So you have a potential Par sub in Abel doing opticals, you have a failing Par sub -- Magicam -- doing lots of miniatures (many of which are underdetailed, and at least one is structurally misbuilt if you go with Probert's report), plus you've got a huge cut going to Paramount's costume shop, for reusing all these ancient fabrics Fletcher dug into for all those background aliens. Places like Brick Price that were not Paramount shops got more stuff as time went on, AFTER the original places didn't always deliver the goods and time got tight.
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by kmart: The theory supporting the 'let's rejuvenate paramount" notion gains some credence if you buy into the idea that originally, Par was looking to buy up Abel and incorporate them as THE in-house vfx house for future paramount shows. That was the emerging model...
That I can buy. Just the way you phrased it the earlier message sounded like they intended to lose money. It's quite another thing to use a project as an impeutus to restore/acquire facilities, etc. And sometimes you do a project for reasons not always associated with the short-term bottom line. On the other hand, you know Paramount was hoping for Star Wars box office...or at least CLose Encounters.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Considering the fancy T'Pau->Tosk revamp, it appears that the white shining parts added above the drive system ring are supposed to represent the cockpit windows of the ship, establishing the scale. The modifications are actually rather cute...
My VHS copy of "For the Cause" is so crappy that I cannot ascertain the presence or absence of the sickle-like add-ons on the forward hull. The lump above and aft of the drive ring is definitely still there, though. But the glowing windows aren't. Apparently, the model was at least repainted for the later episode. Any good online pics? The usual suspects don't seem to have any.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
I�m sorry Timo, aren�t I on your suspect-list any more? Vulcan ship from "For the cause" Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Hey, Mark -- that was the Trident Corsair, not Triton.
--Jonah
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
quote: I�m sorry Timo, aren�t I on your suspect-list any more?
By bad! Must have been a dark monitor or something when I browsed through your pics... This one certainly is clear enough to show the sickle-things are gone!
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Yup!
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Earth*Star Voyager was a 4-hour miniseries that Disney hoped to turn into a show that would compete in a way with TNG. Set a hundred years in the future, an overpopulated, ozone-depleted Earth equips a starship to explore a newly-discovered planet to colonize. Since it's a 26-year round-trip, the crew is mostly youths aged 14-24... Soon after launch, the captain is killed in an act of sabotage, and the kids press on. Before long they run into the captain of a previous explorer vessel, the Vanguard Explorer, and events start happening.
It ended up that ol' Admiral Beasley of the TRITON Corsair (yes, I'm sure!) had some big plan for domination of said planet, and wanted to use Voyager as the centerpiece of a much larger and eviler ship crewed by cyborg slaves. Eventually, the kids and Captain guy (now XO) devise a bunch of weapons for their unarmed ship (including a nifty solar laser and rail gun), destroy the evil ship, cripple the Triton Corsair, and make off into the unknown.
Here's what IMDB has to say. Lookie! The old captain was eventually tapped as Ronin and Shakaar, and the new captain was the hapless lieutenant Seven tried to romance on Voyager!
Mark
Posted by kmart (Member # 1092) on :
What I remember about EarthStar was a fun little conceit they had of getting through the debris storm of lost gloves and ship parts that encircled the Earth.
That, and the fact that Edlund's old company, Boss, was doing the vfx. The ship stuff looked good, but there were an awful lot of reused shots, more than I'd expected.
The show was a colossal disappointment entertainment wise -- I think the couple of CAPTAIN POWER I caught around that same time were far superior, even given the miniscule production values.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Captain Power was sweet! I still remember the last episode where the chick died... it was sad.
POWER ON!!!!
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
Nice spoilers, dick.
Posted by kmart (Member # 1092) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: Captain Power was sweet! I still remember the last episode where the chick died... it was sad.
POWER ON!!!!
I've always wondered if that actress was cast as a shuttle pilot in ARMAGEDDON on the basis of her performance in CAPT POWER. She WAS called Pilot in the series, right?
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Balaam Xumucane: Nice spoilers, dick.
Oh, come on. We're not going to start complaining about spoilers for 20 year old shows that hardly anyone watched now, are we?
Besides, you might make Aban cry. And a face that sexy should never be sad. Never.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
You fuckers better not tell be how Challenge of the Superfreinds ends. I will fucking kill you.
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
I hear that one show is in that one retarded kid's head.
It is a neat game to play to try and find the crossovers to figure out which shows are fake.
Like, I think Cheers and E.R. exist in the fellow's head.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: Captain Power was sweet! I still remember the last episode where the chick died... it was sad.
POWER ON!!!!
I read that as "Captain Planet" and was thinking which chick died!?! Gee or Sveta or what ever their names were... Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
You can't possibly be pissed about me revealing the end of Captain Freakin' Power. Please tell me you're joking.
I hadn't realized that was the same chick that was in Armageddon. But yes, now that I think about it, her code name in CP was Pilot. Time to do a Google search.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Gi, from south east Asia, with the power of WATER! And Linka, from the Soviet Union, with the power of WIND!
Mati sucked.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
HEART!
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
They ALL had the power to make me change the channel instantly.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Especially when combined.
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: You can't possibly be pissed about me revealing the end of Captain Freakin' Power. Please tell me you're joking.
Yes joking, of course. You bastard.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Poo poo head.
I always had the hots for Linka, actually.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
She was from a place that didn't exist a year after the shows appearance.
Which implies that SHE was the one holding the Soviet Union together.
Suspicious.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Hey, does anyone know if Disney is ever planning on releasing Earth*Star Voyager on DVD? That would be sweet...
--Jonah
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: She was from a place that didn't exist a year after the shows appearance.
Which implies that SHE was the one holding the Soviet Union together.
Suspicious.
She used her (fire?) ring to become a Russian Mob boss. MI5 has a open file on her the size of a dictionary.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: She was from a place that didn't exist a year after the shows appearance.
Which implies that SHE was the one holding the Soviet Union together.
Suspicious.
LOL! You've made my day!! LOL!!
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Wheeler had the 'ring of fire' - either that or he ate a lot of curries!!
Le Var Burton was the African kid, Whoopi Goldberg was Gaia.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
So what did the russian chick have? I think the asian girl had wind.... So the Russian had water?
The little pansy kid got hosed: if anyone pointed a ring at me and yelled "Heart!" I'd have beat him severely on principle alone.
The earth ring seemed to suck as well.
I'd remake that cartoon on Adult Swim as a hardline anti-pollution show: Captain Power would burst into congress and immolate some logging lobbiest.....
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
"I think the asian girl had wind...."
Enh henh henh henh.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Russian chick had wind, Gee - the Asian chick had Water, Wheeler the American had Fire, the African kid had Earth and the South American kid had heart.
I didn't like the concept of "Captain Planet" - it should have been the kids and their powers only... it was a cop out having this guy come along to fix things every episode.
That sounds like a good idea on Adult Swim and have them having to DEAL with their power of their individual rings in normal life.
Life action anyone?
The "Earth" ring could cause earthquakes, move rock etc.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
And Martin had the power of time.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
?
The Simpsons - Martin?
"Hark to the tale of Nelson and the boy he loved so dear... they were the best of friends for years and years and years!"
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Those kids later turned into Linkin Park, right?
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: I think the asian girl had wind....
So does that mean, if she damaged her special ring, then she broke wind? Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
[Dark City]
SHUT IT DOWN.
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Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
I fell into a burning ring of fire...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
So if the american fingered the russian, did he yell "Fire in the hole!"?
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