Hi all, Sorry I have not been around for a while. I thought that since I was passing by I would let all the people know at this Forum of the new update at my site.
Decks A through to H are open and I will try and complete the rest of the project, time permitting of cource.
Please enjoy the tour, and most of all any and all comments good, and even better bad are welcome. Its good to be back.
Welcome aboard, Gerard! Love your site: it's great to build models from. Although you still havent re-scaled the sabre from the 350 meter(ish) size to the 170(ish) size it should be. 8)
You planning on doing any NX-01 Enterprise ship comparisons?
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
Your link doesn't work for me. All I get are "The page cannot be found" messages at every level except for the root, at which I get a "Forbidden" message.
Posted by Gerard - Gilso (Member # 1213) on :
Thanks, I checked the Server, they have had a crash. Will be up and running with in the hour.
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
Very nice work! The format is quite good, though one really needs a bigger screen for the bigger decks. I can understand the reason for it, though.
And, I enjoyed the bowling alley / firing range on Deck 6. For frustrated bowlers?
(guy rolls ball) (ball knocks over all but one pin) Opponent: "Aww, so sad. You missed one." (Player whips out phaser and vapes the pin) Player: "Funny, looks like a strike to me."
Posted by Starship Salvage Ops (Member # 1212) on :
Those look really good. Thanks.
Posted by WizArtist (Member # 1095) on :
Excellent work. I still wish I had my original set of Enterprise plans.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
You might want to know that, at least in Mozilla 1.5, whenever you hover on a location name and it gets highlighted on the blueprint, the highlight image appears a little down and to the right of where it should be.
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
EDITED TO SQUELCH DOUBLE POST!!!
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
Hey, just looked at the plans, they're pretty terrific!
Two small quibbles:
On Deck 8 you've drawn the airlocks to conform to Mr. Scott's Guide, but the layouts in that book are, sadly, incorrect and don't match what's shown on screen. As this photo shows, what's directy across from the entrance is a sloped wall with a bench. There's no docking ring type airlock door there. Since Kirk enters the airlock through the small door in the background, I'd say it's better to assume the outside hatch is through more or less directly to the (on screen) left of that inside hatch.
The total number of decks. Yes, never established canonically in any ships of the 1701-A type, but reviewing the the Red Alert status screen seen in TWOK and the TMP trailers, that ship only appears to be 20 decks tall, and there's only one full deck in the superstructure below the bridge.
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
Gilso. Very nice effect. However, the plans you scanned are an intellectual property. If you cannot contact the original artist for permission to publish them, at least do him the courtesy of crediting him on the webpage. ...lest he become pissed at you.
Posted by Gerard - Gilso (Member # 1213) on :
The credit information has been added, and the plans where created by Strategic Design, not by intellectual property, from my copy of the Deck plans. I have already spoken about the idea of putting these plans on other Forums where I did try and get in contact with David Schmidt. I did receive alot of feedback from different sources and have stated many times that I do not rip off other peoples work. I just try and show a wide audience, what material they have for a reference point at my site. I also had to take into consideration about printing and people downloading off my site.
I have split the different graphics and also created some bigger, some smaller so no information can be copied and pasted to create a new set of prints.
I hope this answers a few peoples questions as to why such a small screen size was used and why the deck plans where broken up into different sizes.
I guess it makes sense to dedicate one room to any Marine actions common to this corner of the fandom. But just one 6-person transporter? Somehow I'd think using one of the 22-person units would make more sense. I guess for mass-beamdowns they'd just cycle squads to the other five rooms, which would likely not be being used for anything else if the situation were as such. But in that case, why even have one dedicated to their use?
I guess it harkens back to the Elite Force games, where Voyager and Enterprise were seen to have a whole mess of EF troops but no transporter large enough to accomodate them all...
Also, the bridge was the ST6 edition of the ship. Nice - the better of the two.
Mark
Posted by Sarvek (Member # 910) on :
Are you planning on designing the rest of the decks of the Enterprise? It sure looks awesome what you are doing and it was about time that it happened. Great Job. Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
An 'intellectual property' is any copyrighted or patented work or concept.
Thanks for the credits. I'm not trying to be small about this - in point of fact, when my partner showed me your site, I was amazed by the web-based layering effect, and we may use it on some of our current work (where errors such as Mr. Neutron noted have been fixed).
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
p.s. to Mark and Sarvek.
Yes, all the decks exist on the published copy Gilso is utilizing.
The Marine (Security) dedicated transporter room was designed to allow for: a) a transporter room close to the Marine's ready room/armory. b) A higher level of security in moving prisoners from the holding cells to the transporter. c) Smaller travel distance from Assault Spacesuit lockers to transporter.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
One could say the role of the Marines is deliberately being downplayed in this design, as there surely would be other ships dedicated to the sort of boarding or landing actions that would require those 22-pad monstrosities. For the Enterprise-mods, Marines might be on board mainly for small scale special operations raids.
I'd like to see addressd the necklace of dorsal hatches visible on the Enterprise model but not on the otherwise similar Reliant saucer. Those hatches, identical to the small airlock/elevator thingies at the rim, have been speculatd to be lifeboats here and elsewhere...
Also, perhaps a bit more detail for decks two and three would be in order - even if it's just one big red blob in the Red Alert graphics. I find it a bit unlikely that the "command tower" of the ship would be so completely dedicated to recreation. Surely at least the exterior would mount "command-towerishy" things like sensors and comm arrays, even if the interior was available for nice cafeterias.
The bridge level seems a bit too cramped to me - is there really a need for a Ready Room, or for access to the aft port from BOTH turboshafts?
All this IMHO, of course.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
On our new vesion we are addressing those very concerns - hatches and 'command tower' (which I refer to as the Superstructure).
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by Treknophyle: On our new vesion we are addressing those very concerns - hatches and 'command tower' (which I refer to as the Superstructure).
And fix the airlocks while you're at it, please. Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
quote:Originally posted by MrNeutron: and there's only one full deck in the superstructure below the bridge.
Don't know about that. Correct me if I'm wrong but in TMP isn't there a big sign in the lower level of the rec room that reads "Deck 7"? That would mean the structure below the bridge would have to be two decks.
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
I see two as well.
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
It's two at the front, but where the Officer's Lounge window is at the back is a really high ceiling...that's what's misleading. There are two decks, but the aft lounge (Deck C) has a high ceiling.
Posted by goose814 (Member # 1244) on :
Actually, in the book "Starlog Photo Guidebook, Special Effects Vol. 5" there is an article written by Andy Probert. This article contains several illustrations by Andy including a sideview drawing of the Enterprise's primary hull prior to being modified to the final version (with self-illumination). This drawing shows the primary hull to be 8 decks thick with the superstructure under the bridge to be only 1 deck.
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by goose814: Actually, in the book "Starlog Photo Guidebook, Special Effects Vol. 5" there is an article written by Andy Probert. This article contains several illustrations by Andy including a sideview drawing of the Enterprise's primary hull prior to being modified to the final version (with self-illumination). This drawing shows the primary hull to be 8 decks thick with the superstructure under the bridge to be only 1 deck.
Well, to be clear, it shows figures on the first four decks of the ship but that's all. You have to infer 8 from the space below.
On the other hand I re-introduce into evidence the Red Alert diagram seen in ST2 and made for TMP (seen in trailers):
So does that mean that the rec deck actually fits into the ship now?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
If you go for that recessed level thing..... mabye.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
quote:Originally posted by Timo: One could say the role of the Marines is deliberately being downplayed in this design, as there surely would be other ships dedicated to the sort of boarding or landing actions that would require those 22-pad monstrosities. For the Enterprise-mods, Marines might be on board mainly for small scale special operations raids.
classes of ships such as the Chanley frigate?
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by Manticore: So does that mean that the rec deck actually fits into the ship now?
No, because the inboard end of the room is over two decks tall. Whoops.
Posted by Justin (Member # 1245) on :
i thoguht that the miranda class DID have those underside hatches.
Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
Watching the TMP Director's Cut last night (for sickbay screengrabs), I had the Michael Okuda, Text commentary on. During his commentary, he stated that the Refit Enterprise was intended to look unfinished (mainly because they didn't know if the sets would all be finished on time). This explains why the shuttle bay was open to the cargo deck, but later closed. Some sets where also intended to be used in different locations, like the rec-deck. They moved it from aft, primary hull, to the lower secondary hull (big bay windows....), then moved it to the edge of the primary hull. Along the way, the set didn't shrink to fit. The two big turbo-shafts where originally supposed to be the same ones that go up to the bridge.
My personal view is that the convex curve under the primary hull isn't really intended to cut that deck height down, so much, even though it looks that way from the outside. The rec-deck fits just like the forwards corridor from engineering...
As much as I like David Schmidt's deck plan, having the turboshaft down the front of the dorsal just doesn't work, either.
Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
Forced to agree with you there. The next version will have it mid-pylon.
Posted by Lewis (Member # 1477) on :
quote:Originally posted by Gerard - Gilso: Hi all, Sorry I have not been around for a while. I thought that since I was passing by I would let all the people know at this Forum of the new update at my site.
Decks A through to H are open and I will try and complete the rest of the project, time permitting of cource.
Please enjoy the tour, and most of all any and all comments good, and even better bad are welcome. Its good to be back.
...yep. Just a matter of time.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Ace, Lewis is looking for the Enterprise-A deck plans that Gilso was working on. The link you have has no directory for the plans and no link to them. Granted, the directory could have been renamed and the link to the tour hidden (very well-hidden since I didn't see it on any of the pages).
Lewis, this thread is Gilso's message about his site shutting down.
It is a shame that the tour is gone; those were some very nice and impressive blueprints.
Posted by Ace (Member # 389) on :
Yeah, I realized later that the link didn't have the plans, but I figured he still might like the other stuff on there. As to the even earlier thread...well, there's a link to it in the latter one. Blah.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
True, but it does have the announcement. I noticed in your link that Bernd said an email he got from Gilso in this past summer said he was trying to get his website back up and running. So, that's good news if it does happen.
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