First off, this has been one of my favorite, if not my favorite episode of Enterprise to this day. We definitely knew it was going to be a big episode, but I had no clue it was something of this proportions.
[mm:ss] These timestamps corispond to the version of the show I have watched, which is this VCD release: 2004-03-02 Enterprise S03E18 *VCD* 31x15 MB TV. Yes, I download my episodes of Enterprise as I do not own a telivision. The HDTV rips are much higher quality then what you see on regular telivision anyway. Additionally, I get to see most shows a day or two before they air. You can grab this in the usuall places if you want to follow along. I am unsure if pointing those places out here is okay or not, so I wont disclose that information.
Anyway, here it goes:
[0:44] The Xindi ships escorting Degra�s ship look an awfully lot like the Son�a ships from Insurrection. Lazi CGI or is there a link here?
[1:24] Xindi drinks must be strong or they cant hold booze worth a damn, when Degra was toasting those shoots looked to be about half an ounce.
[3:43] The Xindi security net is made of thousands of satellites which re-configure if one goes down.
[4:11] More shots of the Insectoid shuttle, looks like the landing gear is nothing but three tiny prongs. Most illogical.
[4:19] More interior shots. Looks like Xindi Insectoids prefer switches, dials, and throttles rather than touch screens and displays.
[5:38] The Xindi shuttle looks like it has a forward facing �spike� nacelle, all blue like Degra�s ship.
[6:06] Looks like Trip is responsible for yet another dent in the Enterprise�s hull.
[10:12] Looks like the spike-nacelle contracts closer to the ship for underwater travel. By the way, the water CGI looked awesome.
[10:30] Two Xindi ships pass our stolen shuttle. I like the style here. Looks like a cross between the USS Dauntless NX-01A and the Starfleet fighters that littered the battles abundant in the latter seasons of DS9.
[10:43] That�s no moon� No, it�s the Xinid Superweapon and its contraction apparatus. Very cool stuff here, we see all sorts of cranes and support struts holding the thing in place, underwater.
[11:09] Looks like there�s a opening near the base of the weapon that opens up to a horribly large vulnerability. It�s just like the Death Star!
[12:53] And so our big scene begins. Where are we? 2553. 200 years after the TNG era and 400 years after the Enterprise era. The Next Next Generation. Archer finds himself on the USS Enterprise NCC-1701-J. Sounds a bit weird, we are used to the letter having an �ee� sound� BEE, CEE, DEE, EE.. JAY doesn�t exactly roll of the tongue, but I don�t think the letters are there to �sound cool�. This must mean that between 2376 (Nemesis) and 2553 (Enterprise-J), there was a F, G, H, and I. Assuming the Enterprise-J was rather new in this scene, each Enterprise (Including the E) lasted for and average of about 35 years. Not too shabby. Of course, one could argue that they never used �I�, as it looks too much like �1�, if this is the case, we can assume around 45 years per Enterprise, which is pretty damn good. Leads me to belive there was a period where there was no Enterprise. But whats a Starfleet without a Flagship?
[13:00] The Enterprise-J interior is a bit more utilitarian then the Ent-E. Undoubtedly the result of Klingon design influence since they are a key member in the Federation at this time. (Enough that Daniels lists them in his short-hand list of Federation members in the 2550�s).
[13:21] Looks like Starfleet still uses the Prometheus-Class Starship more then 175 years after its prototype. It delivers the final blow to one of the Sphere-Builder ships.
[13:35] The Expanse Barrier appears to expand in 50,000 lightyears in every direction and is expanding. That�s a good part of our Galaxy. What makes out Galaxy so important, why do all these trans-dimensional species want it? First 8472 now the sphere builders.
[13:46] The Enterprise-J. A good clear look. Thinner nacelle pylons then we are used to seeing. I wonder if they move. The nacelles seem to be scaled down a bit as well. More efficient warp technology or different technology all together? Its nice to see it doesn�t look so.. human. Obviously other species helped design the Enterprise-J as its more alien in appearance then what we are used to.
[13:54] The test subject was in fact a sphere builder. Also, looks like the front of the Ent-J saucer looks a bit like the Wells-Class Timeship. Same odd texturing. Perhaps the Federation is dipping into time travel by this time?
[14:04] The Enterprise-J plays a monumental event in history. She�s present at the Battle of Procyon 4 and delivers the final blows to a rather large Sphere-Builder ship.
[14:05] Well, heres this first thing you guys are going to hate. A Dauntless-Class Starship (NX-01A) is seen chasing a Sphere Builder outside of the Enterprise-J�s window. Apparently Voyager�s scans of the vessel eventually make it into Starfleets hands and is developed when they have the technology.
[14:45] Uh oh. I see a Nova-Class Starship, In use 170+ years after its appearance on Voyager? Perhaps they just recycled the design? She helps the Enterprise-J destroy the Sphere Builder Ship.
[14:46] Sphere Builders have technology that can examine alternate timelines. Is it at all possible that our Season 1 and 2 shadowy figure, the person most likely behind EVERYTHING is a Sphere Builder?
[19:25] If the Xindi are hoping to destroy humanity so their planet wont be destroyed, wouldn�t this create a horrible paradox?
[27:07] Apparently its conclusive that it was in fact a comet that collided with earth that destroyed the Dinosaurs.
[34:59] �She may have taken them.� Hello. Who is she? Perhaps She is the Sphere Builder that is the Xindi�s �contact� for this information about the Humans? She is apparently capable of time travel.
[35:04] The Weapon has been moved, without the Enterprise knowing it. Perhaps they opened a Transwarp conduit right there under the sea?
[35:20] The Xindi Aquatics are apparently responsible for the construction of this weapon, as the whole damn thing is underwater. This occurred to me when Degra and posse were discussing how to deal with the new Reptillian threat.
[38:20] The Reptillians want the Enterprise dead. Now. She gets roughed up Voyager Year of Hell style at the end here. Apparently comm. Can go down pretty easily. The Enterprise eventually vents plasma as its starboard nacelle was shattered. I really liked the shot of the crewmen flying out of the enterprise after part of the hull is destroyed.
I hope Daniels intervenes before the Enterprise is too fucked up.
Look what happens when you put a woman in command of an Enterprise. Don�t they learn?
EDIT: As per Mark's request...
[ March 03, 2004, 12:23 PM: Message edited by: Topher ]
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Captain's name?
Anyone taking this 'future' a 'fact' or more like another possible future a la All Good Things?
A DAUNTLESS!?! Oh Geez.
Class of the E-J?
Other Fed members mentioned?
finally a screen grab of the E-J?
Posted by Woodside Kid (Member # 699) on :
quote: Leads me to belive there was a period where there was no Enterprise. But whats a Starfleet without a Flagship?
As in the nineteen years between Narendra III and the commissioning of the E-D?
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:[12:53] And so our big scene begins. Where are we? 2553. 200 years after the TNG era and 400 years after the Enterprise era. The Next Next Generation. Archer finds himself on the USS Enterprise NCC-1701-J. Sounds a bit weird, we are used to the letter having an �ee� sound� BEE, CEE, DEE, EE.. JAY doesn�t exactly roll of the tongue, but I don�t think the letters are there to �sound cool�. This must mean that between 2376 (Nemesis) and 2553 (Enterprise-J), there was a F, G, H, and I. Assuming the Enterprise-J was rather new in this scene, each Enterprise (Including the E) lasted for and average of about 35 years. Not too shabby. Of course, one could argue that they never used �I�, as it looks too much like �1�, if this is the case, we can assume around 45 years per Enterprise, which is pretty damn good. Leads me to belive there was a period where there was no Enterprise. But whats a Starfleet without a Flagship?
You haven't been reading Renaissance, have you? Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
quote: But whats a Starfleet without a Flagship?
Who says the Federation 'flagship' has to be an Enterprise?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Okay, before I even see this episode or the screencaps, I demand that the title of this thread be changed to the following:
$$ Grade AAA Prime Beef-Tech! ("Azati Prime" Spoilers)
I've been sitting on that one for weeks. And it makes sense, given the uber-coolness of the episode and to anyone who speaks French.
Mark
Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
here's some filler, since we have HOURS yet: From Treknation
quote:Sweeps Press Release: Enterprise finally arrives at the sight of the Xindi weapon that is meant to destroy Earth, but Archer�s mission is thrown into doubt when Crewman Daniels makes a visit. He takes Archer 400 years into the future to show him a conspiracy involving another species planning an invasion of the universe and explains that these creatures are responsible for pitting the humans against the Xindi in the first place. (January 08, 2004 - TrekToday)
Awesome stuff. I'll be creating a vector schematic sometime soon. I've been thirsty for new Federation starships for some time.
I'd say the 19 years between the C's distruction and the 1701-D they must of had some non-Enterprise flagship in service durring that time, so yes, i'd assume the flagship doesnt HAVE to be the Enterprise, but when there is an Enterprise its the Federation Flagship.
Prime Beef-Tech Indeed.
mmmmm prime beef.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Thanks for the switch, yo.
The E-J was obviously meant to echo the Pre-E's shilhouette, while throwing in a bunch of post-TNG hints. It's almost as though the "classic" hull arrangements of the other Enterprises never existed...
As for the other ships, it's pretty obvious that the average viewer isn't meant to take too close a look at them - only masochist Trek geeks like us would dissect it frame by frame. Can't explain the Dauntless, but the Prommie and Nova in service might not be THAT out of sync, if hulls are indeed supposed to last 100 years. Since they're in a war, they may have pulled a bunch of old clunkers out of mothballs - but the 26th century, they could well have zillions of ancient ships around. It's implied frequently in various TNG episodes with frieghters and such that ships can last that long.
Mark
Posted by Charles Capps (Member # 9) on :
quote:You can grab this in the usuall places if you want to follow along. I am unsure if pointing those places out here is okay or not, so I wont disclose that information.
FTR, no, it isn't OK. That includes private messages. The use of Flare to discuss trading of, or conduct in trading of ripped episodes will result in swift permabannage.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled topic...
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Well, maybe they're really desperate. Desperate enough to mess with an already-messed-with timeline and nick the Dauntless from just before it was about to arrive in Borg space and get assimilated. One could reason that since the Borg had already assimilated whatsisface's species and all their tech, they'd probably already have all the NX-01A's (sic) technical wonders.
Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :
IMHO, the E-J is a hideous ship. She is a flattened pancake of cow dren with a twig sticking out the butt-end. Ugh!!
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I have to say that this is the very best Enterprise episode to date and equal to the very best of DS9.
As to the battle, it could have been sone huge cross-temporal battle with ships from various regions/ eras/ alternate realities fighting side-by-side.
All in all, a great episode.
Um...is this the season finale?
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
It just got over...and I must that was one of the best episodes I have ever seen, and they say Enterprise sucks because what again...??! Certainly not this!
So let me get this straight...the Xindi have their own "Future Gal" and evidently its both her (RE: the above "She") and "Future Guy" are trans-dimensional species capable of percieving the effects of events in different timelines and are manipulating species (Xindi, Suliban, Tholians) in order to create 'the expanse' that they can live it.
If this is indeed the case, then what they have established here tonight is the 'clause' that establishes the 'reset button' this series may have to hit regarding the timeline. Interesting concept.
Regarding members of the Federation in the 26th Century...all that were mentioned were: the Vulcans, the Andorians, the Ithanites, & the Klingons.
Anyway, I take back everything bad I have ever said about Enterprise! Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
But Xindi serve on Enterprise J. Probably much in the way Worf served on the D.
It'd be great if this Feddie Xindi was an Aquatic or Insectoid.
I'm probably the obnly one that likes Enterprise J so far. It could be huge! Kilometers long even.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
It looks like either Daniels is going to have to step in and save Enterprise, or they're going to spend the rest of the season fixing it up again...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Mabye the Xindi help fix Enterprise once they get with the program.
Posted by Wes1701J (Member # 212) on :
quote:Originally posted by Charles Capps: FTR, no, it isn't OK. That includes private messages. The use of Flare to discuss trading of, or conduct in trading of ripped episodes will result in swift permabannage.
Thanks for the clarification. Now I know.
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: But Xindi serve on Enterprise J. Probably much in the way Worf served on the D.
It'd be great if this Feddie Xindi was an Aquatic or Insectoid.
I'm probably the obnly one that likes Enterprise J so far. It could be huge! Kilometers long even.
I dont think so. From where Archer and Daniels were looking out, the bottom of the saucer was clearly visible and it appeared the edge of the saucer wasnt too far forward. I would estimate only slightly larger then the 1701D.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Soes that mean we cant talk about robbing liquor stores and Ultraviolence? Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
Ah, chatting about the old UltraViolence, over a mug-o-milk plus, down at the Melochka bar!
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
quote:Originally posted by Topher: It looks like either Daniels is going to have to step in and save Enterprise, or they're going to spend the rest of the season fixing it up again...
Considering the next episode is called "Damage," my guess is they will be dealing with this for a while.
Did anyone get a "you're required to maneuver straight down this trench" vibe when they were going over the superweapon's schematics in the command center?
I'd also agree that the "she" they referred do is some sort of "Future Gal" who's been in contact with the Xindi. Sounds cool.
I'm guessing that wherever they were on the Enterprise-J, Daniels arranged for a secluded spot, especially considering that it's not his time either.
The Battle of Procyon IV, eh? If they're referring to the system as Procyon, that kinda proves that it's not the Andor system, doesn't it?
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
I'm still in the ball park that says Dauntless is still a Federation possible design. It was a little too Federation looking when we saw it. There's every reason to believe it was actually a real part of the Starfleet Transmissions to Voyager that it was a prototype on the drawing boards or something. It needn't even be something they were going to send to Voyager, just info from home. It certainly follows the designs considering the more non-traditional looks of the Saber, Norway, Prometheus, and Defiant Classes compared to regular Starfleet ships. I don't agree with the NX-01-A registry used though. That was definitely the result of alien influence (or alien under the influence...)
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by Wes1701J: I dont think so. From where Archer and Daniels were looking out, the bottom of the saucer was clearly visible and it appeared the edge of the saucer wasnt too far forward. I would estimate only slightly larger then the 1701D.
Um, no. We get the hull shape from the big top view image, and we get the partial bottom view from the window.
1. Archer's arrival: Note the rows of windows on the primary hull outside of the observation window. We aren't even close to seeing the edge of the ship despite the extreme angle, and even that small area of hull shows about four decks (O, for HDTV).
2. As Archer and Daniels have their preliminary conversation, we see a small ship fire a blue beam at the center part of the Enterprise-J saucer, ventral side. Either that beam is pinpoint-tightbeam at the site of impact, or else the central saucer ventral is helluva-far. If that class of enemy ship has been seen before as part of the same race, we can also possibly scale it.
3. The explosion lights the Prometheus in a manner inconsistent with the idea that the enemy ship was tiny. Note as she flies "below" the explosion (i.e. in a 2-d sense regarding the tv screen) that her saucer and nacelles are lit from the side, not the top as would be the case if the enemy ship were small and close.
4. The Prometheus Class Starship fires on a visibly-similar enemy ship, one which incidentally is also lit as if the other enemy ship were off to the side. Though the phaser fire comes from the very bow of the Prometheus and is thus not easily understood from a spatial orientation viewpoint, the fire is consistent with a large enemy ship and hence a large Enterprise-J.
5. Though my copy of the episode is of iffy quality, the number and arrangement of light rows on the Enterprise-J screen view do not appear to be consistent with a small ship.
6. The Nova Class Starship scene features a very good view of the ventral saucer. Note that the row of windows on the port side continues for some distance along a central spine, and that the relative height of the closest and furthest is different by a factor of at least two. If the windows are the height of a person, and if the closest window is sufficiently far away to be about the size of Archer's head at a distance of a handful of meters, then the last visible portside spine window must be helluva-far. For real-world reference, imagine you're in a parking lot with a friend standing a handful of meters away. Imagine how distant a car must be for it to appear to be the (2-d) height of your friend's head. Now, imagine how far the next car would have to be to be half that height. That's almost certainly going to be much more than 300 meters, and that's just going to be the radius of the saucer, not the diameter.
In short (too late!), I don't know how big the Enterprise 1701-J is, but she sure ain't small.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: I have to say that this is the very best Enterprise episode to date and equal to the very best of DS9.
Don't get me wrong, it was REALLY good. But not quite as good as "Future Tense," "Cease Fire," "Regeneration," et al.
quote:As to the battle, it could have been sone huge cross-temporal battle with ships from various regions/ eras/ alternate realities fighting side-by-side.
The man makes a Very Good PointTM.
quote:All in all, a great episode.
Agreed. I can't believe some people don't like this show!
quote:Um...is this the season finale?
No, but it does mark the beginning of the Spring Hiatus. The follow-up to this cliffhanger will air in early April.
-MMoM Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
Holy !@#%$#^!
The Enterprise was just hemmoraging crewmen at the end! She was getting sliced up pretty good, with some shots going right through the saucer. And no "To Be Continued..." either. You mean I have to wait until April 21st to see how this ends? That's a relatively short wait, mind you, but it's nearly as frustrating as "Mr. Worf, fire!"
B.J.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Hey, anyone notice what variant of Nova we're looking at?
Mark
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
It may be too distant to tell, but if someone's got HDTV caps (Lee?) we might be able to discern...
If I were to play a hunch, I'd say it would be the Rhode Island. The CGI model was modified into that variant for VGR "Endgame," and I see no reason why they would have altered it. (Considering that if they were going to go to that trouble they might as well have used a new design.)
-MMoM Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Well, when you modify a CGI model, you don't destroy the original model. By the end of "Endgame", Mojo and co. probably had a little folder on their server called "Equinox" sitting above one called "Rhode Island", each containing the files to build the respective ships. They could have used either, though it's probably the RI variant for the simple fact that it was built pristine while Equinox was roughed up - and even then, they likely had a pristine version of the model somewhere (see the ST:M article on designing the Equinox for more details).
Of course, if anyone at Eden FX was thinking about it, they'd have used the more futuristic RI variant as it'd be "only" 150 years old or so... Then again, the script probably said "futuristic Starfleet vessels of various kinds dart around in combat with the Sphere Builder ships", and the VFX guys filled in the rest.
I'm actually liking the notion that the 26th century battle was a result of the Temporal Cold War, and that as such ships from more than one time period were involved in the fight. Since that possible future will likely not exist by the end of this season, I doubt we'll have to worry about it for too long.
Mark
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
I'm DL'ing the HDTV torrent even as we speak, but it's taking its own sweet time. I'm off oop North tomorrow for a week, but I hope I'll have it done by this evening and will have some juicy caps. If anyone else is closer to completion and will have caps sooner, say so! I'm busy enough as it is. . .
Posted by leuckinc (Member # 729) on :
hehehe... I loved peoeple flying out into space! Poor people... :-)
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
It would have been interesting if the Sphere Builders turned out to be 8472.... Though, at the same time it would have been pretty lame.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Very lame.
Thanks for the screengrabs Lee!
Am I the only one that thinks the pic of the Enterprise J is some kind of MSD?
It looks like there are (damage control?) readouts all around the ship on the screen archer is loking at. It would explain the glowing orange part on the ship's 'nose".
Also, the Prommie appears to fire from the point on the ship's bow: where there's no phaser strip. Mabye a aux-defelector?
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
The display does fluctuate.
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
The Ent-J reminds me of a Cheyenne...
Too bad an Akira didn't show up, as it might have caused Archer to get momentarily confused! "It's the NX!"
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
Now that would have been a riot. And just imagine the outcry of NX-haters everywhere if Daniels had then said the Akira was actually modeled after the NX-class. B)
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Okay, with those clearer shots, I'm convinced that those rows of bright spots on the underside of the saucer (outside the window that Archer and Daniels are at) are supposed to be windows. That would mean that that gently sloping area that we can see is at least six decks high... and that's only PART of the saucer. I'd say this means the E-J's saucer is at least as wide as the E-D's. Probably more.
Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
I'd say the Enterprise-J thing we were looking at is like an MSD. The shape of the entire ship might be a bit similar yet much more fleshed out rather than looking flat like a pancake with two highlighters sticking out of it.
And why is Daniels' Starfleet uniform ribbed for someone's pleasure?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Daniels' outfit might be an energy disapator like the ribbed armor the Reptilian Xindi use.
I'd love to see him shrug off a few phaser blasts.
With four years left of Enterprise, wll Daniels remain a good guy? I have my doubts.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
He looked older, and harder, this time round. If he gets the idea he can't control Archer. . .
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Bam! TEMPORAL SMACKDOWN!
I think that Futureguy might become more of a player in the future though.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Okay, who's been remembering when everyone is from? Daniels is from the 31st century - and as I understand it, FutureGuy (and now FutureGal?) are from the 26th or so, right?
Mark
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Futuregal could be from anywhen.... As could Futureguy for that matter! A person could set up a base of operations in another era to mislead enemies as to his origins after all.
I still think Porthos is Futureguy: they're never in the same episode.... He evolves somehow and it's all payback for "A Night in Sickbay".
Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
Daniels is from the 31st Century. This has been stated explicitly.
Future Guy is presumably from the 28th Century. Although I don't think this has been stated explicitly, Daniels stated in "Shockwave, Part II" that Future Guy's sort of temporal communication is from 300 years in his past.
Future Gal is presumably from the 26th Century, although she could theoretically be from any time after that.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Y'know, if they continue to build on all these themes and convoluted interpersonal relationships, this show could get really interesting. Right, that's it! It's sure to be cancelled come the end of the season!
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
A Vor'Cha is there too.
(Y'know, this Temporal Cold War is really screwing up my directory structure concept on the site . . . Enterprise pics fall under the "preTOS" directory, which is quite the misnomer in some cases.)
And, based on the HD version, I have a bad feeling the little ship right before the Dauntless is the CGI of the Scorpion flyer. Fortunately, the vessel is blurry enough to allow for that to be untrue.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I think that was the Inscetoid shuttle again.
Same designer (obviously a pointy eaves thing). Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
Regarding the Nova A-type (Equinox) vs. Nova B-type (Rhode Island) question:
People's Exhibit #2 . . . images of the starship in question.
Note that whereas there is a three-terraced spine on the A-type, there is no third (or "middle") terrace on the ship at Procyon. The B-type has just two spinal terraces.
Note that whereas there are two very visible fins on the A-type, such fins are not visible on the ship at Procyon. The fins are much reduced on the B-type, and would not be visible in the shots in question.
I therefore conclude that the B-type Nova is on hand at Procyon.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
OK question... are Archer and Daniels ON the E-J?
That is starfleet carpet... but those wall panel read-outs and the motifs on the walls look VERY Cardassian!!
And reguards Daniel's uniform... I can't place it but I think it look... Taelon!! Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: That is starfleet carpet... but those wall panel read-outs and the motifs on the walls look VERY Cardassian!!
Well, the Cardassians could very well have joined the Federation by the 26th Century. The Klingons did, after all.
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: And reguards Daniel's uniform... I can't place it but I think it look... Taelon!!
Da'aniels... I like the sound of that. Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Guardian 2000: A Vor'Cha is there too.
Nice catch! Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
*double post*
bad mouse!
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
Nobody seemed to have noticed the unusually tall deck-height on the Ent-J!!
At least in comparison to all the other Fed-Ships we are used to, the deck height is enormous.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Well, at least the deck they're on. Maybe it's some kind of luxury deck, taller than the norm.
Posted by japol (Member # 1149) on :
Does anyone else think that the Enterprise-J's corridor has a lot of Cardassian elements to it?
Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Let's guess the Federation Members in 2400's...
Klingon Cardassian Xindi Federation members of 2376
Any more guesses?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Yeah, it does look rather DS9-ey. But hey - The E-D corridors look nothing like the Pre-E corridors. Cycles of design are known to happen. Look at cars today versus 1980s versus 1950s versus 1920s.
As for Daniels, it's the same outfit he was wearing in the 31st Century, further reinforcing the notion that Procyon 5 was a temporal battle. When he showed up on Enterprise, he was always wearing the corresponding uniform. If he was wearing his 31st century duds in the 26th, either he knew the E-J crew would know and didn't care, or he and Archer were cloaked somehow or possibly ensured that they wouldn't be discovered.
EDIT: Which is to say if Daniels and Archer were even there. Daniels probably didn't want Archer to interact with anyone, so why even bother? He could've easily whipped up Procyon 5 on a holodeck somewhen - which immediatelly casts Daniels' credibility into doubt. OTOH, he's been known to yoink Archer into "safe" time periods before just to talk safely.
quote:Originally posted by Austin Powers: Nobody seemed to have noticed the unusually tall deck-height on the Ent-J!!
At least in comparison to all the other Fed-Ships we are used to, the deck height is enormous.
Maybe they finally decided to build ships large enough to accomadate members of the Future-Federation that don't fit the typical human dimensions...
Gah, now a Vor'cha? In the 26th Century? Bartender, your strongest drink please. I need to kill some brain cells.
The Vor'cha seem to be going the way of the D7/K't'inga... Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
That deck leads to the inter-species-zero-G basketball court. I hear them Horta players are tough to defend against though...
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
What happened? I was looking over the pictures one minute, and the next they were all gone! Even the index is missing, with Fotopic's standard greeting saying "this user has not moved in yet".
Regarding this ship, is it actually firing on the Dauntless? If so, then it's a Sphere builder ship. If not, then it's another Federation ship. But which design was used?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I think it's the Dauntless-esque ship seen on occasion in the latter Voyager episodes and maybe on Enterprise too - the Devore warship. If that's the case, it looks like the Sphere-Builders had allies of their own, Devore or otherwise.
Failing that, check out Gilso's collection of ship pictures for other candidates. Except for the E-J and the sphere-builder ship, I doubt there were any additional new CG models made. It was quite a busy episode VFX-wise as it was!
[minor spoilers] . . . . . .
In the upcoming "E^2" (sic), we're supposed to meet a future Enterprise. While TPTB have denied it, I've got a sneaky suspicion that the E-J is the ship that we're going to see in that episode. It's from the critical point in history, it's there presumably to help, and of course they've already built a corridor and CG model to go with it - which for one short scene seems a little odd. 200 quatloos that we haven't seen the last of the E-J.
Mark
Posted by Wes1701J (Member # 212) on :
I would be very pleased if Star Trek, under new management, was about the Enterprise-J. The Next, Next Gen.
Edit: And have it been about exploring and the unknown ala TNG seasons 2-4
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by David Templar: Gah, now a Vor'cha? In the 26th Century? Bartender, your strongest drink please. I need to kill some brain cells.
The Vor'cha seem to be going the way of the D7/K't'inga...
Yes, but as Jason already pointed out, this could easily be a battle involving ships from multiple timeframes.
-MMoM Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Of course, Dainels showing all those ships to Archer and telling him all about the Federation means that either A)Archer dies sometime during Enterprise's run, B) is a key player in the Federation's founding, or C)Daniels thinks he's as dumb as a box of rocks and causality is lost on him.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by japol: Does anyone else think that the Enterprise-J's corridor has a lot of Cardassian elements to it?
Yeah, I sorta like mentioned that about 3 posts earlier.
The 'label' next to the window looks like Reverend's Miradorn logo
Looks like they haven't cured baldness in the 31st century.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
You know...I think the Enterprise J has some Cardassian elements. It kind of looks like a DS9 hallway.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Maybe they brought out sets from storage... we already know that they reused some doors for the Tsunkatse arena. And the Defiant bridge - while not Cardassian has been reused.
Another question... were they SPECIFICALLY on the E-J? Where they are - and the large window looks like they are in a drydock for the E-J.
That or maybe species 8472 are Fed members - they are quite large.
Speaking of Hortas... I wonder what would happen if a human and a mother horta got it on?? An Excalbian? Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Spoilers for E^2
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quote:While TPTB have denied it, I've got a sneaky suspicion that the E-J is the ship that we're going to see in that episode.
I doubt that. How can T'Pol's son be in command of a vessel from the 26th century?
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
Could it be that the reason that it looks Cardassian is that the only time we've ever seen a window quite that shape was on DS9?
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Regarding "E-Squared":
It's NOT the Ent-J. It's not. Take my word for it. I know what I'm talking about.
Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Oh god, I hope it isn't like Time Squared from TNG then...
Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dukhat: Regarding "E-Squared":
It's NOT the Ent-J. It's not. Take my word for it. I know what I'm talking about.
From the comments I've read ("three generations into the future" or somesuch), it's likely to be the E-B...
Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dukhat: Regarding this ship, is it actually firing on the Dauntless? If so, then it's a Sphere builder ship. If not, then it's another Federation ship.
It seems likely (judging by the battle scenes) that Fed ships fire red beams, while enemy ships fire blue beams (whether they are phaser beams or some other sort by the 26th century is another matter). So, that would make that particular ship an enemy one.
Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :
A generation is approximately twenty years. So,the Enterprise in question would be a ship which predates Capt. Kirk's ship and postdates Capt. Archer's ship.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
[spoilerish speculation]
Okay, so assuming they're not lying about the E-J, it is then the same Enterprise - just three generations later from an alternate timeline (thinking DS9 "Children of Time" here). This explains at least one of the crew. Damn, I'm good.
Mark
Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
quote:Originally posted by newark: A generation is approximately twenty years. So,the Enterprise in question would be a ship which predates Capt. Kirk's ship and postdates Capt. Archer's ship.
Though I consider 20 years too early an age to be interested in children (after all, if people are living longer by then, why not postpone having a family?)... Hmmm... Let's say 30 years instead, then it could be the NCC-1701 under Robert April.
The quote is
quote: Berman revealed that in the episode "E2", Archer's Enterprise will encounter an Enterprise from three generations in the future.
according to TrekToday Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
And apparently it's more complicated than that, according to TrekWeb, from whom TrekToday took it.
quote: Of the upcoming episode "E2" Berman confirms speculation that the NX-01 will encounter a future Starship Enterprise. Apparently the ship will be three generations from the future, but itself involved in some sort of time-travel hijinks. In an appearance on ON AIR WITH RYAN SEACREST today, Jolene Blalock made reference to playing T'Pol 200 years-old and with prosthetics, perhaps a spoiler for this episode.
A 200-year-old T'Pol when she's supposed to currently be around 60-70 would make it from 130-140 years in the future...
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by J: Could it be that the reason that it looks Cardassian is that the only time we've ever seen a window quite that shape was on DS9?
Windows on DS9 were ovoid.
The indentions on the walls, the monitor displays and the 'interface', the distant door, the colour and that round sticker on the right of the window all look Cardassian-like.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"A 200-year-old T'Pol when she's supposed to currently be around 60-70 would make it from 130-140 years in the future..."
Maybe the "three generations" are the same sort of generations that put Archer's great-grandfather in the Eugenics Wars.
Posted by Wes1701J (Member # 212) on :
Three Generations? I thought he meant three Generations of Enterprise.
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Looks like they haven't cured baldness in the 31st century. [/QB]
Everyone knows that a full head of hair is soooo 24th Century.
Next episode: in the left corner, we have a NCC-1701(?) Enterprise that we might actually care about and trust! In the right corner, we have the underdog NX-01, whose existence will finally be validate by a future Enterprise! Leeeeeeets get ready to rumble~!
Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
quote:Originally posted by TSN: Maybe the "three generations" are the same sort of generations that put Archer's great-grandfather in the Eugenics Wars.
Yes, the thought crossed my mind too. But wasn't it Archer's grandfather, rather?
Posted by Wes1701J (Member # 212) on :
A few hours work, and polishing it and am working on a side-view.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
I hope that E-J looks much better than that.
Posted by Wes1701J (Member # 212) on :
I'm assuming the graphic of the Ent-J behind archer and daniels was an external graphic and not a MSD. My idea for the foward secion was that it was the same material the Wells-Class ship was made of. (Wierd thermal-texture like material)
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"But wasn't it Archer's grandfather, rather?"
Nope.
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Of course, Dainels showing all those ships to Archer and telling him all about the Federation means that either A)Archer dies sometime during Enterprise's run, B) is a key player in the Federation's founding, or C)Daniels thinks he's as dumb as a box of rocks and causality is lost on him.
Or
d) He knows that in order for the Federation to exist he must tell Archer about it. Causality loops, don't ya just love 'em?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I thought of "D" but they already pulled that trick with First Contact.
I'm just hoping that dainels doesnt turn out to be a descendant of anyone famous.
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
Jack Daniels, maybe? Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Well, I think it's a good picture. Wes, the only thing I'd change by looking at the wall display is that I think the nacelles should be further forward, perhaps even having the bussard collectors overlapping the rear of the saucer.
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by Wes1701J: I'm assuming the graphic of the Ent-J behind archer and daniels was an external graphic and not a MSD. My idea for the foward secion was that it was the same material the Wells-Class ship was made of. (Wierd thermal-texture like material)
Actually, after Nemesis they started putting bumpers on Enterprises.
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dat: I hope that E-J looks much better than that.
What wrong with the Ent-J looking like the result of a Cheyenne and a Norway getting it on in some drunk fit of passion? Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
LOL!
"Is that your warp-core or are you just happy to see me?"
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
If it is another "there but for the grace of God" scenario then that'd be the third time this season, after the unrealised future in "Twilight" and the bogus one in "Stratagem." Too much? I know these types of ep are popular but it might be going to far. . .
Perhaps it's the Sphere-Builders trying a mindfuck of their own?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
*bump*
"Azati Prime" was this week's re-run. Brush up on your tech, 'cuz "Damage" control is up in six days!
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