This shares quite a few features with the officialer E-D deck plans, but there are notable differences too. Including, for example, a five-storey mall, a movie theatre, larger shuttle facilities, plenty of hydroponics space, and more. I'm sure there's even a brig in here somewhere.
Point being, that compared with Sternbach's plans this offers an interetnig lok into Probert's ideas for the ship, as well as what the ship looked like in the minds of the designers during its initial phases. Cool!
Mark
Posted by Ace (Member # 389) on :
Very cool. Generations was on last night on Sci-Fi channel. I still don't understand why they felt the big D had to go after only one movie...there was so much more to be seen, and I think the Borg taking over familiar sections of a ship we've watched for 7+ years would have also had some more impact with the audience. Ah well, no time for ifs.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Sweet. On the fourth picture, in the side cutaway, what's the room listed right below the holodecks in the forward saucer? Looks like "Tursiops' Quaerters". What intrigues me is that there's an apostrophe after the first word meaning that it belongs to whatever that first word is. An unseen character perhaps?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Tursiops Truncatus - the bottlenose dolphin. They're the quarters for the pelagic members of the crew, indicating that this sort of thing was implied long before "The Perfect Mate".
Say - if the aquatic Xindi survive the story arc...
Mark
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
Facinating, the GCS is classified as a Mk VIX Heavy Cruiser instead of an Explorer. The Bussard ramscoops are replaced by "First-Stage Subspace Field Generators". There's actually a reason why shuttle bay 2 is smaller than shuttle bay 3...
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
quote: Say - if the aquatic Xindi survive the story arc...
Then we'll get a story about the trials and tribulations of the first half-dolphin, half-Zindi in Starfleet. Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, one thing about these plans that beats out the later ones: they remembered to put something under the arboretum windows. Of course, it's a lounge and a casino, but at least the feature wasn't forgotten completely.
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
Entertainingly, there's a fair approximation of the Argo shuttlecraft in the main shuttlebay, albeit a more slender version.
I am confused by his idea of the bridge. Unless I'm mistaken, he has a hallway behind the ready room instead of empty space.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Guardian 2000: I am confused by his idea of the bridge. Unless I'm mistaken, he has a hallway behind the ready room instead of empty space.
I think that "hallway" of yours represents superstructure of the raised bridge and that small rectangle is the window Picard gazes out of wistfully at the end of so many episodes.
I do think the Ready Room itself is far too large though.
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
Actually, they did shrink it a little after the first season or so.
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
You know, G2k, if you have questions about those plans you can go over to TrekBBS and ask their creator
Anyway, I already asked him why there's a corridor outside Ready Room, and the response basically was that areas outside the bridge are one half-deck below the bridge, so bottom of Picards window is almost flush with the top surface of the ceiling of the next deck.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I believe that's consistent with most other interpretations of the blueprints. The Observation Lounge is on this slightly sunken level, IIRC. There is a ramp down to this level offscreen in several places, the corridor to the lounge being one.
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
I like the many multi-deck areas shown on these plans. That was the one thing that irked me about Sternbach's plans was that just about everything was squeezed into one deck. And did anyone catch the 4-deck high fountain on the aft neck? Also, he included the Sphinx work pods!
B.J.
Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
I was going to ask what that big thing in "shuttle maintenance" was. So, that's one of those work pods? Hmmm, no, that definitely isn't one, I just realized they're the smaller ones. So, what is it?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
If you look on the 5th image, in the main shuttlebay, there are several long, narrow pod looking things. Then, towards the aft, there's one of the pods with what looks to be some kind of warp sled attached to it. It looks amazingly like a runabout.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I think you might be talking about the warp sled for the large shuttles. Check out the last sheet for a key to all the auxilliary craft and stuff.
Mark
Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: If you look on the 5th image, in the main shuttlebay, there are several long, narrow pod looking things. Then, towards the aft, there's one of the pods with what looks to be some kind of warp sled attached to it. It looks amazingly like a runabout.
Yes, I had noticed the resemblance too (both to a warp sled and a runabout). So, that 'sled' thing, when attached to a shuttle, turns it into some sort of runabout? That would certainly explain the somewhat modular appearance of the runabouts, and in part support what the DS9TM says about their modularity. Something like what this page shows, in fact:
Cool to see these. Andy Probert told me about them way back when. I like the use of the ship's internal psace a lot better here than in the "official" plans. It seems there's a lot more space devoted to equipment, storage, etc. I always chaffe at plans that are all "rooms" with no support structure or anything approaching the volume of raw materials and fuel such ships would actually require.
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
So, on the official bluprints by Sternbach, are there any crafts in the shuttlebay?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Plenty - type sixes I believe, plus a bunch of pods.
Mark
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Late edit: HERE is a quick scan of the shuttlebay according to Sternbach, with additions by me to prove that runabouts and the two-person "Peregrine" fighters could fit in there.
Mark
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: ...with additions by me to prove that runabouts and the two-person "Peregrine" fighters could fit in there.
The problem with the shuttlebays and Runabouts is that the doorway isn't big enough for a Runabout to fit in. The Peregrine wouldn't fit height-wise either. Yes, there's enough room for them to maneuver around inside the bay (Shuttlebay 1 anyway), but not enough room to enter or exit.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
The overhead doors could be used for that, I guess. Three runabouts were somehow carried by the E-D, that much is known - and warp-towing isn't the likeliest explanation for that...
The smaller interceptor portrayed here should fit through the main door AFAIK. It's not really *that* much higher than a type 6 shuttle.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Phoenix (Member # 966) on :
quote:Originally posted by David Templar: Facinating, the GCS is classified as a Mk VIX Heavy Cruiser instead of an Explorer.
I presume it's a misprint for "XIV", since "VIX" isn't a valid Roman numeral.
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
I had assumed the Runabouts delivered to DS9 were kept in one of the large three-deck high cargo bays on the aft undercut of the Galaxy Class's secondary hull. I even scratchbuilt such a bay on my under repair USS Challenger model.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I wouldn't mind getting these... anyone want to consider these more 'official' over Sternbachs?
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Ideally, parts of both should be considered official.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by SoundEffect: I had assumed the Runabouts delivered to DS9 were kept in one of the large three-deck high cargo bays on the aft undercut of the Galaxy Class's secondary hull. I even scratchbuilt such a bay on my under repair USS Challenger model.
I agree: the Enterprise shit out the initial three Runabouts.
And the Perigrine is (obviously) 32 meters long. Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: And the Perigrine is (obviously) 32 meters long.
Yes, I agree, only if the humans seen piloting them (Cal Hudson) were around 13 feet tall!
Peregrine is 12.6m long! Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
He was a giant of a man.....
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: I agree: the Enterprise shit out the initial three Runabouts.
Isn't the past-tense of "shit" - "shat"? Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR:
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: I agree: the Enterprise shit out the initial three Runabouts.
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