I have a feeling this will turn into an intervention before all is said and done, but yes, I just received (2) Season 1 Voyager box sets and I was curious if anyone was interested in obtaining any particular captures from said compilation?
I've already lined up so caps of Voyager docked at DS9 and of Chakotays vessel, possibly the Kazon and so forth. Any other demands?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Oooh Nelix's debris field...
Shots of Genevieve Bujould??
Voyager landing (more so it already landed) in "the 37's" - although I'm not sure if that ep (which is season 1 and was released in Australia as season 1 on the videos) will be a part of your dvd collection.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Oooh Nelix's debris field...
Shots of Genevieve Bujould??
Voyager landing (more so it already landed) in "the 37's" - although I'm not sure if that ep (which is season 1 and was released in Australia as season 1 on the videos) will be a part of your dvd collection.
Personally, I don't like the design for the physical dvds, however the content isn't bad, all things considered. In fact the Bujold portion contained a good 5-8 minutes of raw footage of her as Janeway. But there was no interview with her, just a bunch of frosting spewing out of Bermans cake-hole.
The visual effects portion with Dan Curry was pretty cool too. All in all there was a lot of stock footage from the filming of the pilot incorporated into this, I'm more impressed with these extras than some of the DS9 extras.
Anyway, it's the first 15 eps..."The 37s" (#16) would be the opening to season 2...and as I recall, it was as such when it originally aired in the US back in Aug '95.
With that said here are a few caps until I can muster up some webspace to store the zips to:
Pretty self explainatory; I saw nothing-of-value/new/unique in the debris value and there is a pic of the shuttle model Tereshkova from the special effects extras.
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Posted by Captain Mike XLVII (Member # 709) on :
she looks like a zombie version of Janeway.
i want to see them fight each other.. that'd be a DVD extra to see.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
She acts and speaks like one too...
"Brains! More brains!"
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Yeah - the last four episodes of season 1 produced... Twisted, Elogium, Persistance of Vision and The 37's were held back for season 2.
I'm not 100% sure on the production order - but The 37's was made as the final episode of Season 1... you can tell by the story line too - and Janeway's comments about how far they've already come over the past year and whether they should take the option of staying with the Human population of the planet they land on.
Also (the great) Persistance of Vision show's Kes' empathic abilities emerging showing the direction they were going to take in season 2.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Yeah - the debris field looks pretty much like the other cap floating around the place.
Did Bujould have a French accent?
Do they show the 'crunch-point' where she said 'Fire' in a whisper and poigniancy and not a booming decision which Berman and co. wanted.
Oh and 'debris field 2' link didn't work.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
I want screencaps of that scene where they shoot Neelix and throw him out of the airlock.
I can dream, can't I?
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Yeah - the debris field looks pretty much like the other cap floating around the place.
Did Bujould have a French accent?
Do they show the 'crunch-point' where she said 'Fire' in a whisper and poigniancy and not a booming decision which Berman and co. wanted.
Oh and 'debris field 2' link didn't work.
Hmm, that would be because 'debris field 2' doesnt seem to exist, must have gotten lost in the upload - its basically the same shot only with Voyager/Raider further into the field.
I don't think Bujold was there that far into the filming of the pilot. She was only there for a couple days, of which, the following, that I can recall was shown on the DVD....
-exiting her ready room with Paris/Kim and meeting Cmd. Cavit and introducing Kim to his new post and then the whole "yes ma'am", "its not crunch time yet Mr. Kim" thing... -Capt, Rollins, Cavit, Paris, etc, looking at the display of the badlands. -The scene where the wave was approaching and about to hit Voyager. -The scene where she is in her ready room and tuvok comes in to tell her about the pulses from teh Caretaker were increasing, and then she tells tuvok his family misses him and blah blah...
Thats about all I can remember. Yeah, she had the French-Canadian accent. Her speaking/English is not the best, and Im not sure if that attributed to what I felt was "bad acting" or what. It was especially noticable when she was rambing Treknobable.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Is there a subtitle name for the original Doctor?
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
The novelization of "Caretaker" says his name was "Fitzgerald," although I don't know if that's from the script or was made up by the author.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
What's with Bujould's vemon spewing captain?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
vemon?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
IIRC, the Doctor was originally named Zimmerman. That's the way he was billed in early promos, such as the pre-launch TV Guide articles. TPTB decided it would be cool to keep him nameless, though, and rolled the Zimmerman name over to his creator.
Debris field: Hmmm... I spy a Connie nacelle.
Bujold: Ugly and ugly. I'd still like to see those scenes with her has Janeway, though. I'm not paying $100 for the box set, though.
The 37's et al: Yes, in the original production run, they were held over until season 2. In addition to the other things mentioned about the episode, you can also tell that it was done on the cheap. Notice we never see the city they go to visit and really only have one set in addition to the standing Voyager sets. My guess is that the whole budget was blown on the landing sequence and the shots of the ship on the ground.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: IIRC, the Doctor was originally named Zimmerman. That's the way he was billed in early promos, such as the pre-launch TV Guide articles. TPTB decided it would be cool to keep him nameless, though, and rolled the Zimmerman name over to his creator.
Debris field: Hmmm... I spy a Connie nacelle.
Bujold: Ugly and ugly. I'd still like to see those scenes with her has Janeway, though. I'm not paying $100 for the box set, though.
The 37's et al: Yes, in the original production run, they were held over until season 2. In addition to the other things mentioned about the episode, you can also tell that it was done on the cheap. Notice we never see the city they go to visit and really only have one set in addition to the standing Voyager sets. My guess is that the whole budget was blown on the landing sequence and the shots of the ship on the ground.
By the 'original doctor' i meant that - the CMO not the EMH.
I thought we pointed that nacelle at the front, a while ago, to be a Galaxy Nacelle.
The 37's - yes and that a majority of the episode was location filming (always costs a lot).
Same thoughts on bujould - I'd like to see the clips - but I'm not paying $200 Australian for them.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Time to go looking for pirated copies online
The piece of debris I'm looking at in the upper right hand corner of the first debris field pic is definitely the bottom of a Connie nacelle. You can see the little cross piece that runs from bottom to top as well as the grills on the side. The front of the nacelle is pointing to the right.
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
From the portion of that nacelle that's missing, I'd bet that's the miniature prop of the port nacelle of Reliant that got shot off.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: Bujold: Ugly and ugly. I'd still like to see those scenes with her has Janeway, though. I'm not paying $100 for the box set, though.
EBAY BABY! Got two box sets (one on accident) on eBay for a grand total of $108, less than the cost of 1 at some retail stores.
Anyway, the scenes of Bujold truely suck...her "acting", that is, does. Here's another pic of her at the cut call at the end of a scene ya'll might enjoy - http://flareupload.pleh.net/uploads/968/CaptBujold1.jpg Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
She truly does look skeletal.
I don't know, she looks alright in the uniform, but I would have a seriously hard time believing any of the sexual tension that developed (and was then foolishly dropped) between her and Chakotay had Bujold kept the role. She is *not* good looking.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
You are harsh on those who aren't beautiful like yourself, Aban.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Has Aban hit a soft spot Liam? Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
No no no. If anything, the exact opposite.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Liam thinks I'm hot. The women of the world disagree with him.
Posted by Nim the Fanciful (Member # 205) on :
What's that episode called where there's a gigantic elevator that travels from the surface of a planet into outer space? Tuvok and Neelix is on it, together with 4 or 5 natives, and there's a saboteur.
In the end of that episode, a ship arrives and attacks Voyager, it's the strangest ship I've ever seen. It consists of a large horizontal ring, with a large, glowing rock in the middle, like a cross between Deep Space 9 and one of the "Old One" ships from Babylon 5.
If you would get some screencaps of that ship, Futurama Guy, I would be very happy.
Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on :
"The women of the world disagree with him."
Don't fret. Most of the men do, too. B)
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
quote:What's that episode called where there's a gigantic elevator that travels from the surface of a planet into outer space? Tuvok and Neelix is on it, together with 4 or 5 natives, and there's a saboteur.
In the end of that episode, a ship arrives and attacks Voyager, it's the strangest ship I've ever seen. It consists of a large horizontal ring, with a large, glowing rock in the middle, like a cross between Deep Space 9 and one of the "Old One" ships from Babylon 5.
If you would get some screencaps of that ship, Futurama Guy, I would be very happy.
IIRC, that episode was not in season one.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dukhat:
quote:What's that episode called where there's a gigantic elevator that travels from the surface of a planet into outer space? Tuvok and Neelix is on it, together with 4 or 5 natives, and there's a saboteur.
In the end of that episode, a ship arrives and attacks Voyager, it's the strangest ship I've ever seen. It consists of a large horizontal ring, with a large, glowing rock in the middle, like a cross between Deep Space 9 and one of the "Old One" ships from Babylon 5.
If you would get some screencaps of that ship, Futurama Guy, I would be very happy.
IIRC, that episode was not in season one.
I'm thinking that one was called "Rise"...possibly, from season 3.
Posted by Nim the Fanciful (Member # 205) on :
Oh yeah. Darse...
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Yup "Rise" a stinker from season 3.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
"Don't fret. Most of the men do, too. B)"
Undoubtedly true.
"Rise" did kind of stank. I never really bought the idea of a giant spike being able to support itself like that. I know we've had discussions about how it's theoretically possible, but the episode didn't really make it work.
I was also never really sure about the plot and the conclusion. It didn't quite make sense, but it's been awhile since I've seen it, so I don't remember why.
I do remember that the episode originally came out the same week as NBC's movie of the week called "Asteroid". This ep dealt with an asteroid heading for the planet the action took place on. So Voyager's promo line was, "Get ready for a Star Trek Voyager that kicks NBC's ass-teroid."
It was funny.
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
Especially when you consider Trek and NBC's history together. I think that would be the first "negative ad" for trek.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Voyager used to do alot of cool next week promos. For "Displaced" they had "Na Na, Hey Hey, Good bye" playing in the background. For "Future's End", they were playing a jazzed up version of "California Girls".
I remember thinking, "Man that's cool... they care enough to get creative with the ads for next week!" My enthusiasm dwindled as the series progressed.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Found this cool little nugget, never paid much attention to the background in this scene until I could pause it on DVD....
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Futurama Guy: [QB] Found this cool little nugget, never paid much attention to the background in this scene until I could pause it on DVD....
What about it?
There were a few versions done for that scene actually - it's got them and that pic above in the Art of Star Trek.
Apart from a few Kazon ships and some pre-caretaker Ocampa architecture... what's fascinating about it?
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Well for one, you don't have to be an ass about it....and actually thats what I found fascinating about the caps. I've never noticed the 'raiders' parked in the sand before, nor have I ever seen any similiar pictures as such before so I thought I'd share. But hey, sorry for wasting your precious time...
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
And as always, Neelix' pattern is very fascinating indeed.
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
It reminds me of the first level in Rogue Squadron... Mos Esle or something like that, where Luke grew up.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: Found this cool little nugget, never paid much attention to the background in this scene until I could pause it on DVD....
Hey cool! I havent sit through the first episode in a long while and missed that scene: it makes the Kazon ships seem very tiny though: the shot would look better if the cast was composited in smaller.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I don't really recall anything about the design of the space elevator from "Rise," but the basic idea is more or less sound, especially if you have access to Trek-like levels of magic technology.
I believe we had a thread about it at the time...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
They could make a space elevator but no chairs to go in it?
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: I havent sit through the first episode in a long while and missed that scene: it makes the Kazon ships seem very tiny though: the shot would look better if the cast was composited in smaller. [/QB]
I don't think there's a problem with the Kazon ships being that small. IIRC it wasn't until the 2nd Season that they showed upscaled raiders that are actually big enough to carry the small ones we see here (disregarding the mile long blimps, of course).
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
Yes, there was a shuttle-sized Kazon ship and a larger variant that looked exactly the same, (although in a least one case, they used the window lights on the large version, but not on the small to convey the size.)
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Here is a pretty good shot of where the Aeroshuttle was supposed to be...
[ May 04, 2004, 01:20 AM: Message edited by: Futurama Guy ]
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
They were so low on power, but they always kept the lights on in those big lounges or whatever they are behind the big windows on the lower saucer.
That is a cool shot of the Aeroshuttle, though. One thing I really liked about the design of Voyager is that all of the little details had a purpose, even if we never saw or heard about them. There was a magazine article not too long ago that pointed out all the little widgets and talked about what they were.
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
^ I've always thought that the best thing about the Voyager ship is how well thought out it is. Pity the design is otherwise on the dull and ugly side (in my opinion).
Anyway, that cap above reminds me how much better the physical miniature looked over the CG model. That's a nice shot that.
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dax: ^ I've always thought that the best thing about the Voyager ship is how well thought out it is. Pity the design is otherwise on the dull and ugly side (in my opinion).
Anyway, that cap above reminds me how much better the physical miniature looked over the CG model. That's a nice shot that.
Would you say it's more thought out than, say the D?
Personally, I prefer the look of physical models to CG in the current state-of-the-art, mostly because CGI still doesn't replicate real light quite right.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by J: It reminds me of the first level in Rogue Squadron... Mos Esle or something like that, where Luke grew up.
Hoards of Star Wars fans are trying to Force Choke you as we speak.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: Well for one, you don't have to be an ass about it....and actually thats what I found fascinating about the caps. I've never noticed the 'raiders' parked in the sand before, nor have I ever seen any similiar pictures as such before so I thought I'd share. But hey, sorry for wasting your precious time...
Hey hey!!! My God! The problems with TEXT as things can always seem so SARCASTIC! NOTHING I meant about my original post was meant to be sarcastic or nasty. Truely just asking what you found interesting/fascinating about it - tis all!!
WOAH you have to be careful with text on the net.
If I'm being sarcastic or joking - i will usually include a smiley face.
Read again, and start afresh.
What do you find fascinating about it.
Andrew
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
quote:Originally posted by MrNeutron: Would you say it's more thought out than, say the D?
Hmmm, I'd probably say that Voyager is the most thoroughly thought out ship in Star Trek history, followed by the D. I do believe the Ent-D is far more attractive though.
quote:Personally, I prefer the look of physical models to CG in the current state-of-the-art, mostly because CGI still doesn't replicate real light quite right.
Agreed. I've always preferred motion control photography over CGI.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I think the exterior of Voyager may be more thought out, but The D probably has the upper hand on interior details. Voyager had relatively little thought put into the interior. The one time they show us more of deck 1 than the bridge, lounge and ready room... they screw it up big time.
The D had blueprints made up for the ship, even though they were never used, really. I've never seen or heard of deck by deck prints for Voyager.
That said, Voyager had alot of cool detailing on the exterior that all had a purpose. Lots of hatches and doors, etc.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
What were these hexagonal things on the underside of the saucer section?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
IIRC, they are workbee sphincters.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Or just regular airlocks?
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Ok everyone, Futurama Guy is giving me caps from voyager season 1. I�m posting them as they come and when I have time. Checkout caretakers array at Starbases for instance. Or Kazon
ps - those of you who visit my site know how disorganized it is. Check out my news-section for better information. - ds
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dax:
quote:Originally posted by MrNeutron: Would you say it's more thought out than, say the D?
Hmmm, I'd probably say that Voyager is the most thoroughly thought out ship in Star Trek history, followed by the D.
Evenh with those little twig-like landing legs and the "wing flapping" nacelles? ...and where did that Runabout get stored? Not in that tiny shuttlebay, for certain.
It's a hell of a nicely built physical model though. (though, I'd have made the numbers on the lifeboat hatched in some kind of order).
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
quote:Originally posted by Spike: What were these hexagonal things on the underside of the saucer section?
Sternbach himself said in a magazine interview that those segmented hexagonal details are airlock hatches from the cargo bays for specially suited EVA operations. (The special suits he may have been referring to might be the hexagonal EVA suits he drew for the TNG Tech Manual.)
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
When was a runabout ever stored on Voyager?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"IIRC, they are workbee sphincters."
Ew.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Well, I'm glad someone got it.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
One thing I was hoping the E-D blueprints would correct was the dimensions/interior layout of the Captain's Yacht. The plan in the TNG TM Rick's admitted was wrong. He accidentally used the short axis measurement for the long axis in determining the interior, so it's waaaay smaller than it should be.
I think the E-D is the best-thought-out ship in Trekdom so far, followed closely by Voyager. The original Enterprise would be up further in my list if Matt hadn't given it quite such spindly pylons and dorsal. And bits of the refit were dazzlingly well-thought-out, but those are unfortunately more than nullified by the bits that are so screwed up it makes one want to cry. Next on my list would have to be the Runabout. The Defiant would have gotten on my list if Drexler hadn't %#*(%#ed it over...
--Jonah
Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam:
quote:Originally posted by J: It reminds me of the first level in Rogue Squadron... Mos Esle or something like that, where Luke grew up.
Hoards of Star Wars fans are trying to Force Choke you as we speak.
Yes, we are. Mos EISLEY.
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
I was waiting for someone to tell me how to spell it... I didn't want to dig out the game.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Why bother with the freakin' game? In thirty seconds you could have solved the mystery for yourself at the Star Wars web site. Just to save you the taxing process of navigating the links:
There are only a couple things that start with "Mos" on there...
--Jonah
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by SoundEffect:
quote:Originally posted by Spike: What were these hexagonal things on the underside of the saucer section?
Sternbach himself said in a magazine interview that those segmented hexagonal details are airlock hatches from the cargo bays for specially suited EVA operations. (The special suits he may have been referring to might be the hexagonal EVA suits he drew for the TNG Tech Manual.)
From the previously mentioned (in other thread) "Star Trek Voyager - Technical Guide Version 1.0":
--------------------------------------- "EVA Workpod: A small, elongated hexagonal capsule sized to fit one crewmember. The workpod is equipped with manipulator arms containing various tools for repair and exploration tasks outside the ship, and operates on low-power thrusters only. Voyager normall carries four workpods." ---------------------------------------
Additionally:
--------------------------------------- "AeroWing and Dock: The bottom of the Primary Hull or saucer holds a single aerodynamic shuttle capable of atmospheric travel as well as interplanetary flight at speeds up to Warp 3. The AeroWing can carry various combinations of crew and cargo; the usual fling complement numbers four crewmembers." ----------------------------------------
So why the hell build the Delta Flyer, aside for the sake that it was the plot for an episode that otherwise could have involved the AeroWing lauch instead when they had the Aerowing planned out all along?
Anyway, Voyager was only originally supposed to have 2 standard (uhh, type 6, i guess) shuttlecraft and 4 shuttlepods.
One more thing: ------------------------------------ "Shuttlecraft names: We have not yet established the names for the two main Voyager shuttles or AeroWing; these will be forthcoming as scripts call for them." --------------------------------------- . . . workbee sphincters.... Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Wasn't the captain's yacht left off the E-D blueprints? I can't find it on mine. At least not a layout/internal view.
For pure aesthetics... the E-refit wins HANDSDOWN!
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
They built the Delta Flyer as a plot device. It's also been pretty well decided that Voyager didn't have a functional Aerowing when it left for the Badlands. Yes... it would have been better if the writers had found a way to use it. How hard would it have been to say, "We been waiting for a good time to complete the dropship. Now's as good a time as any," instead of "Hey let's build a ship from scratch rediculously and unbelievably fast and forget about all the cool stuff the ship already has."
I should've been a writing consultant.
I know the captain's yacht is listed on the blueprints, but I can't remember whether or not there's an interior view. I know there's one in the Tech Manual.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Well, they did make CGI tests of he AeroWing/Shuttle. Perhaps those shots weren't convincing enough for TPTB. Or perhaps the use of the Runabout cockpit was a problem. Confusing the audience (WE ARE SO DUMB!!), or difficulties in getting the set for Voyager.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
My in-universe explanation -- mirrored by Rick -- is that when the Aeroshuttle is docked, the belly becomes an integral part of the hull. By using it, and risking its destruction, they would have risked a weakness in the lower primary hull's SIF in a region where replacement would have been impossible. Plus, the DF had all sorts of nifty DQ tech that they probably "couldn't" retrofit into the Aeroshuttle.
As for the Captain's Yacht on the E-D, yes the blueprints left out the interior, and as for the TM layout -- did I stutter up there? I already said that's wildly inaccurate, and why...
--Jonah
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Andrew asked whether or not the yacht plans were on tyhe blueprints. I said no. I didn't realize it was attached to something you had said earlier.
I guess we'll go with the "unable to integrate Delta Quadrant tach into the Aeroshuttle" explanation. But a throwaway line about considering the Aeroshuttle would have been nice. Of course, then they would've had to explain why they didn't *ever* use it.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
bad fuel economy....
Posted by rec.alt.scifi.sex.captain.mike (Member # 709) on :
busted left blinker from Caretaker accident
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Your name keeps getting weirder and weirder, Mike.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Maybe it was going to arrive at DS9 on Tuesday - but they left on Monday.
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
Got the Region 4 set today for $129 AUS. Not too bad considering the price of the earlier Trek box sets, although it's likely cheaper because there's less episodes. One nice bonus that the US version doesn't have is that two episodes from TOS are included -- "Arena" and "The City on the Edge of Forever". The packaging is also nicer than the US version IMHO.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: I guess we'll go with the "unable to integrate Delta Quadrant tach into the Aeroshuttle" explanation. But a throwaway line about considering the Aeroshuttle would have been nice. Of course, then they would've had to explain why they didn't *ever* use it.
They could've just said they scavebged the ship's warp core for parts in one of the many episodes that Voyager's warp drive was disabled.
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
Or destroyed during the Caretaker transfer... the ship was damaged.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
But how is it possible to build a ship from scratch and not repair the disabled ship you already have? It's not like it was torn apart. At most, the damage was systemic.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Unless they had gone to the trouble of explaining that 7of9 and Paris had scrapped the Aeroshuttle for parts to build the (much smaller) Delta Flyer.
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