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Posted by Resistance (Member # 1369) on :
 

 

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
Wow. Those are some painful perspective distortions..

Is that the "The Cage"-Enterprise I spot there? It seems an unusually tall bridge dome.

What the hell is going on the third pic from the right, second row. Enterprise-fest?

Hah. NX-01 caught in Tholian web?

The E-J looks like it could fall apart any moment...
 

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Posted by Neutrino 123 (Member # 1327) on :
 
I need to get that calander! Where is it avalible?

The Enterprise-J is a very nice ship except for that front part, which disturbs me.
 

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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
 
If it's out by now, how come Amazon hasn't shipped it to me yet? I preordered that thing a long time ago. But at least it looks better than the previous one.
 

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Posted by Resistance (Member # 1369) on :
 
Front Cover

 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
I haven't seen this one up close, so let's make some guesses here. Reading rows left to right as months:

January - Enterprise-nil being refitted, probably prior to TMP

February - Enterprise-J at warp (I will KILL for a better scan of this)

March - Defiant and Chaffee cruising

April - NX-01 over asteroid, possibly from "Proving Ground" or "Azati Prime"

May - ENT-era Klingon Bird of Prey over a colony vista

June - Batmobile-armored Voyager versus Borg cube & tactical cube (?) from "Endgame"; note that a tactical cube was not seen in that episode

CENTERFOLD IMAGE - Enterprise love orgy around an unknown space station; NX-01 in lower right, proceeding chronologically and clockwise from there, with a noticably strange perspective

July - NX-01 versus Suliban cell ships

August - DS9 at peace, showing Defiant, Miranda, Galor, and another Starfleet ship (Steamrunner? Galaxy?) at the upper pylon

September - Enterprise versus Reliant, ST2

October - NX-01 being ensared by Tholian websligners

November - International Space Station with NX-01 (?) passing in background

December - Enterprise-E encounters a noticably undamaged Stargazer in "The Battle"

Mark
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Amazing from those pics: FAR superior to the last two.

Got a link to those pics so I can share them with the modelers over at SSM?
 

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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mark Nguyen:
CENTERFOLD IMAGE - Enterprise love orgy around an unknown space station; NX-01 in lower right, proceeding chronologically and clockwise from there, with a noticably strange perspective

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I think that's supposed to be the Fleet Museum.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Fleet museum?
A fanboy's dream come true.
I'd hate to see what the curator looks like...
 

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Posted by Wes (Member # 212) on :
 
i had a feeling the Ent-J would show up here. They didnt model it completely for no reason.

Now someone get me a 300dpi scan of it. stat.
 

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
Their reason was to put it in some calendar?
 

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Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
 
Is that the Stargazer? Could it be the Hathaway?
 

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Posted by Resistance (Member # 1369) on :
 
I think we are going to see the Enterprise-J very soon. It would be very very stupid of the producers not to do a show with E-J. So many people wanted to see it. Then again .. we are talking about Rick Berman.. :/

Captain Boh - I'm sure its the Stargazer

 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 

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Is that the Stargazer? Could it be the Hathaway?

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Or the Victory, I suppose.....it's unlikely though.
"random meeting of two starships" just would not make for a good caption.
 

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Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :
 
So, which one is the Enterprise-J? I can't see for shit and the images are pretty small.

Nevermind. I can't read for shit either.
 

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Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
 

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Is that the Stargazer? Could it be the Hathaway?

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Or the Victory, I suppose.....it's unlikely though.
"random meeting of two starships" just would not make for a good caption.

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Its just the angle where we can't see the planet in the background

And isn't that the same shot of the Enterprise-J from inside the ship, just not as a diagram or whatever?
 

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Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
 
Why is no one driving the Defiant's shuttle?
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 

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Originally posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge:
Why is no one driving the Defiant's shuttle?

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There you go again...obsessing on details...
 

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Posted by F.G. (Member # 968) on :
 
Hey, pretty cool display of BANDWIDTH THEFT!!

Way to go n00b.

Yeah, that E-J is way more cool that the flying monkeys in the wizard of oz
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 

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Originally posted by Resistance:
I think we are going to see the Enterprise-J very soon. It would be very very stupid of the producers not to do a show with E-J. So many people wanted to see it. Then again .. we are talking about Rick Berman.. :/

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Originally posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge:
Why is no one driving the Defiant's shuttle?

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Originally posted by Mark Nguyen:

January - Enterprise-nil being refitted, probably prior to TMP

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Is that the Stargazer? Could it be the Hathaway?

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Or the Victory, I suppose.....it's unlikely though.
"random meeting of two starships" just would not make for a good caption.

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Its just the angle where we can't see the planet in the background

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Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:
Fleet museum?
A fanboy's dream come true.
I'd hate to see what the curator looks like...

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Hey! What's that supposed to mean?
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 

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Originally posted by Masao:

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Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:
Fleet museum?
A fanboy's dream come true.
I'd hate to see what the curator looks like...

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Hey! What's that supposed to mean?

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...but I've always pictured you as a Zak-Dorn with glasses anyway.

Hopefully you wouldn't cluster all your antique ships so close that a joyrider in a workbee could start a dommino effect.
 

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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
 
I'm MUCH more handsome now that I've had those redundant cheek folds cut away.
 

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Posted by Shipbuilder (Member # 69) on :
 
Got mine at Waldenbooks last week, 13 bucks. Kinda fond of the cover shot overall, nice detail on the crew suits.

E-J nose "thingy" is a deflector, sort of NX-01'ish actually.
 

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Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
 
For goodness' sake, man, give us some SCANS!
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
Well, I've blown up the E-J pic from the back of the calendar. This should tide us over for a few hours:



And here's the on-screener, courtesy Memory Alpha:



I like this angle. Doubt I'll like it as much if we ever get to see what's on the underside.

Mark
 

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Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
 
I've just been to the Starbase1 store here in Columbus but they didn't have it yet unfortunately. Hope they get it within the next three weeks before my holidays run out...

Update: have just checked Amazon.com and there it says the calender hasn't been released yet. Unfortunately there is no release date given.

How come some of you have already got it?

[ September 14, 2004, 12:04 PM: Message edited by: Austin Powers ]
 

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
 

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Originally posted by Shipbuilder:
E-J nose "thingy" is a deflector, sort of NX-01'ish actually.

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On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 05:36:51 -0400, Jack Bohn wrote:

>I've joked that in the future New Years seems to come in
>September, when the stardates roll over. Well, Happy New Year,
>we have 14 new pictures.
>
>I'm tempted to egotistically believe they heard my complaints
>about last year's calendar. Here we have a greater variety of
>ships (including an altered model!) in more interesting poses,
>and, for July, my DS9 as landscape! (Actually, I really wanted
>to be 300 to 500 meters further in. The place should take up the
>whole field of view.) For those of us who pick out missed
>instances of the name "Enterprise" on models that are supposed to
>be named something else, the centerfold, "Fleet Museum", has
>brought together a special exhibit of seven ships, and six of
>them can be seen to be decked out with "Enterprise" and/or
>"1701". This has to be deliberate, they had to paste the E-B's
>registry over their standard Excelsior model. (The Motion
>Picture version is still in its livery from the TMP DVD. That's
>right, "No bloody 'A' ...." Somehow the TOS series production
>version is sharing a berth with its own refit.)
>
>Let me calm down and take these in order:
>I first thought the cover was the Phoenix in flight. Looking
>closer reveals several differences. The title being "First
>Flight", I suppose it is from the ENT episode of that name.
>
>A broad sweep of history is represented by the first two months.
>January features the Enterprise in its first pilot "The Cage"
>configuration, and with as smooth a hull as possible in a drydock
>that looks like it could have been designed in the 1960s. It
>includes stubbier, less graceful workbees. One could wish they
>had used Matt Jefferies's sketches of work craft, but why cavil
>when the workers have gone the extra step of hanging a UFP
>pennant from one of the spars? (Yes, hanging, with hoses also
>hanging in aligned catenaries it is questionable whether this
>thing is in free fall.)
>February goes to the opposite extreme with Enterprise NCC-1701-J,
>created last year and still in the future of any crew we've
>followed.
>
>March "Little Friend," is that a Scarface reference? Is the
>Chaffee quoting, "Say hello to my little friend!" as the Defiant
>comes alongside?
>
>April's "Ode to McCall" is a Lunar portrait with the Earth in the
>background and a small NX-01 in the foreground. With last year's
>"Ode to Bonestell", will we eventually get to an "Ode to
>Sternbach"?
>
>May has a pair of 2150ish Klingon ships surveying ruins on a
>planet. From the title, "Wrecking Crew", we can assume they are
>not ancient ruins. I think I recognize the ship in the
>background, but did they really show the ship in the foreground
>in a show? It is so ugly. I can't even call it a Bird of Prey,
>more like an Archeopteryx of Prey.
>
>Voyager takes on two Borg cubes in the grand manner of that show.
>Veej has its Batmobile armor, but one of the cubes is wearing a
>flack jacket.
>
>The centerfold is seven Enterprises circling the top level of the
>Fleet Museum with a collection of historic shuttles, Runabouts,
>and inspection pods flying around them, and walkway tubes laid
>out between them. One of the tubes disappears behind the
>Excelsior-B, it would be interesting to see it continue off the
>page like the rest. As we go from the -nil to the -nil refit to
>the -B, _C, -D, and -E, the NX completes the circle from the
>new/new design of the Generations Films back to the old/old
>design of the original with its new/old design. As a visual
>argument, it is still not convincing.
>
>July, a NX-01 shot.
>Aug, DS9.
>Sep, battle of the ironclads from Wrath of Khan. I always love
>the coral color the Mutara Nebula gives to the ships.
>Oct a closeup of a Tholian ship as at least three of them spin a
>web around the NX.
>Nov, "Old Girlfriends", Picard's Stargazer and Enterprise
>meeting.
> Dec, "Faith of the Heart" I'll have to watch the ENT opening
>again, but I imagine this is the same space station, here you can
>clearly see a Soyuz capsule, and is that a representation of the
>Hermes spaceplane, or the "abandon ship" Crew Return Vehicle?
>Prophetic in not depicting the Shuttle docked to it?
>
>For anyone else keeping score, that's
>1 from TOS
>1 from TFS
>1 from TNG
>2 from DS9
>1 from VOY and
>7 from ENT, although only 4 show the NX-01.

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Originally posted by Masao:

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Hey! What's that supposed to mean?

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...but I've always pictured you as a Zak-Dorn with glasses anyway.

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That's the one of the ugliest ships I've ever seen.

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Thank god, I'm not the only one.


Marian


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"There are two smoking sections on this flight, one outside each wing exit. We do have a movie in the smoking sections tonight, it's Gone with the Wind."
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
I don't really like the E-J either

Well, there are plenty of threads in time to be pulled before that ship comes into existance.
 

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 

"That's the one of the ugliest ships I've ever seen."

"Thank god, I'm not the only one."

The possibilities here are seemingly boundless...
 

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Posted by The Captain from M.I.K.E. (Member # 709) on :
 
YOU THERE I CALL YOU UGLY SHIP FROM NOW ON

ironically enough, i did a sketch of a 1701-F+ Enterprise for a Millennium drawing i once planned.. i used Akira influnces making it look like a 25th century NX-Akiraprise-Defiant before Azati PRime came out.

I'll have to scan it.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
I kinda like the J- it's futuristic enough to be shocking.....just like the Galaxy was.
I loathed the Galaxy class for years but really like it now.
 

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Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
 
They obviously listened to the fan protest about the lack of DS9 on last years calendars. But for some reason they seem to be obsessed with that Chaffe-"thing" (I refuse to call it a shuttle). I think the '01 or '02 calendar even had a whole page dedicated to it. And is/wasn't it on this years calendar, too (I'm too lazy to check that out at the moment). It seems there has been more Chaffee than Defiant and DS9 combined.

Amazon tells me the SotL will arrive late next month/early november (don't know why because I combined it with the Generations DVD and it'll be released September 30th, so maybe I'll have it a little earlier). I can do the scans if no one else did them until then.

And does anyone know where to find images of past SotL calendars? I know I didn't have one of them some years back (I have to check which one it was).
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
So... Got a scan, anyone?

Mark
 

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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
 
Amazon has already shipped the calendar to me from Pennsylvania to California via UPS Ground. But alas, I won't actually have it in my hands until late next week.
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 

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Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov:
...for some reason they seem to be obsessed with that Chaffe-"thing" (I refuse to call it a shuttle). I think the '01 or '02 calendar even had a whole page dedicated to it. And is/wasn't it on this years calendar, too (I'm too lazy to check that out at the moment). It seems there has been more Chaffee than Defiant and DS9 combined.

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Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim:

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Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov:
...for some reason they seem to be obsessed with that Chaffe-"thing" (I refuse to call it a shuttle). I think the '01 or '02 calendar even had a whole page dedicated to it. And is/wasn't it on this years calendar, too (I'm too lazy to check that out at the moment). It seems there has been more Chaffee than Defiant and DS9 combined.

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I think this can be attributed to the fact that these are the most readily-accessible (and perhaps most detailed) CGI models from the show.

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Especially DS9 has hundrets of interesting possibilities for images. They have a good Defiant, they obviously have a good DS9, they have a very good Runabout, lots of Cardassians, Klingons, Romulans, Breen, Dominion... why bother with a shuttle we've only seen for a minute on the whole show - even if it is high-quality?
 

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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
 
Didn't Mojo say there were no CGIs of DS9? I doubt Paramount would pay for one to be made just for a calendar.
 

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Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
 
I've bought the calendar today here in Columbus. The image of the NCC 1701-J isn's as sharp as the others, but it is still better than any image seen on the web so far.

That strange thingamob at the front of the saucer is actually the deflector dish.
If you ignore the rest of the saucer, the part in the middle looks like a cross between a manta ray and a hammerhead shark.

What I didn't like was the fact that the Enterprise-B in the centrefold image is the standard Excelsior model and not the Generations version. Doesn't really make sense.
Ok, so I know they haven't got a CGI model of the modified Excelsior, but then they should have left it out altogether.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Making the "B" an stock Excelsior is dumb, yes.
I cant decide if it's extreme laziness or extreme editorial nearsightedness though....

While I like the Chaffe, I'd prefer almost any other ship from DS9: A nice shot of a Jemmie Cruiser or battleship would have been ideal.

I'd be happy never to see another KBOP (or it's variants) ever again, regardless of how well textured they are.

Very happy to see the Tholians!
I'm getting a model from this refrence.
 

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Posted by Woodside Kid (Member # 699) on :
 

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Ok, so I know they haven't got a CGI model of the modified Excelsior, but then they should have left it out altogether.

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What happened to the CGI E-B they created for the Nexus shots? Did someone lose that file, too?
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
I get the feeling that when CGI artists are fired, many files are "lost".
....building the Norway was a challenge for that exact reason- there exists no definitive front or ventral views.

I can never get over their losing huge studio models that cost tens of thousands of dollars each....makes losing a file seem trivial by comparison.
 

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Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
 
That's something I can't understand either. Like when they "lost" the Ent-D model and found it years later in a restaurant.
I mean, hey, these things are HUGE, you can't imagine someone just saying "Ooops, I think I lost that somewhere, must have slipped out of my pocket."
 

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Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
 
Scans now!!!
 

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Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
 
^^^^

As a fan of both Farscape and Star Wars, I have learned the true meaning of the word "patience".
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
What models are missing!?!

Which Enterprise-D model was missing - the 6-footer!?!?!
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
Yes.
 

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Posted by Wes (Member # 212) on :
 
As a graphic artist, if I was fired, i would be VERY tempted to make files go 'missing'
 

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Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
 
That four foot model was not lost... it was broken and all lubed up with grease.
 

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Posted by Brown_supahero (Member # 83) on :
 
Still no scans? Does it help any if I start screaming for scans?
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 

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Originally posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge:
That four foot model was not lost... it was broken and all lubed up with grease.

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You am sick, mikey.
Sick.

Other "misplaced models" include the Ambassador and (for a few months) Reliant.

I just want to steal the DS9 model.
I could do it....I have skills.
 

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Posted by MattC (Member # 1391) on :
 
In ref to the CGI DS9, Meni Tsirbas created one at FI for his own personal use. It turned up in an epsiode for the final episode of DS9.

And the Norway CGI model wasn't lost either. Someone at DigitalMuse ported it to LW a while back. It's still around on the old FI servers (which are owned by UFO these days.)

M.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
I've yet to ever see any view of the Norway other than the rear promo shot from FC.
I'd be intrested to see what was rendered (if it's the original source file).
 

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Posted by MattC (Member # 1391) on :
 
I've seen a 5 view of it. It's total crap and that's putting it mildly. The only model that was detailed at all was Akira one. The Norway, Saber and Steamrunner were all fairly low detail.

Meanwhile, a friend and I built this based on Rick's original construction drawings with some input from Rick and Ed Miarecki (who constructed the original minature with Greg Jein)

http://mattc.vip.warped.com/schematics/ambassador_new_schematic.jpg

M.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Do you have said drawings?
That looks pretty stock to me.
 

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Posted by MattC (Member # 1391) on :
 
Somewhere or other. I'd have to dig them up off the archive CD. I think there's 5 views of the Akira, Saber, Norway and Steamrunner too, along with a bunch of other crap.

We added a bunch of hull labels (i.e. the small details that maketh the model), details within the torpedo tubes (an extra torp installation on the hull ridge), some slight modifications to the lower sensor dome, warp core and animatter storage hatches and access, complete shuttlebays in both the saucer and secondary hulls, interconnect detail between the secondary and primary hulls and the separation points for the nacelles as well (should we feel like blowing them up sometime). I got Rick to go over it pretty carefully in order to pick out any glaring inconsistancies and he hasn't foudn any yet.

We've contemplated doing the Yamaguchi refit at some time or other as well as extra details like nacelle internals, battle damaged version for those Narendra III scenes.

As a side note, the model weighs in at 460000 polys currently, in LW and about 950000 in Max.

M.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Who cares if the Norway is low in detail - same with the Sabre and Steamrunner - we want to see official shots of the ventral surface - or basically the other parts of the ship we haven't seen.
 

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Posted by MattC (Member # 1391) on :
 
You are assuming, of course, that those surfaces have any detail to speak of. Which, IIRC, they don't.

M.
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
Oooh, please please post those 5-views ans concept drawings!! But perhaps a new thread would be the better place, as opposed to this one about the calendar.
 

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Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
 
The A and R in Ambassador on the nacelle don't fully show up
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
Damn union painters...

Mark
 

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Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
 
I think it's because it was originally textured as the Enterprise, and Ambassador is wider in Microgramma
 

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Posted by MattC (Member # 1391) on :
 
Umm, no. That's not the reason. The registry geometry is floating just above the surface (about 10 cm above it to be precise). I didn't move it out far enough when I scaled the ship up to it's correct dimensions. As a result, that bit looked screwy. It's been fixed, but I never got round to re-rendering the schematic with the new revisions.

M.
 

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Posted by The Captain from M.I.K.E. (Member # 709) on :
 

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That four foot model was not lost... it was broken and all lubed up with grease.

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who'd they find it inside?
 

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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
 
Hot damn! I would have also added the secondary ventral phaser strip and an aft torpedo launcher. I wish they had this for DS9.
 

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Posted by MattC (Member # 1391) on :
 
The torpedo launcher is there. It's recessed in the spine of the secondary hull. The ventral phaser strip was something we talked about a few times...and then thought 'screw it' since it wasn't on the construction drawings.

The machines of the time would've had a hard time rendering this thing in some reasonable time.

M.
 

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
Well, I just bought the calendar tonight. And as for the Enterprise-J, all I have to say is...


WOW.


It is the most beautiful starship Trek has ever (not) seen. The display screen & the observation window where Archer & Daniels view the underside of the saucer does not do this ship justice.

It is very futuristic-looking while intentionally resembling the NX-01 as well. And it's amazing to see just how tremendously huge this ship is. Judging by the windows on the saucer, I'd say that the diameter of the saucer is larger than the ST:III Spacedock. On the subject of the saucer, contrary to some Internet "guesstimates" of the ship's design, the saucer looks nothing like either a Galaxy class or a Sovereign class saucer (although the deflector itself looks like a GCS one). The tube-shaped "spine" of the ship starts at the front of the saucer where the deflector is. Actually, although the deflector is attached to the front of the saucer, the spine leading from the deflector housing up to the nacelle struts looks like it hovers above the saucer but is not connected to it. Only when you get to the nacelle struts do you see where the spine wraps around to the saucer's underside (but what that underside looks like, barring the observation window shot, is still a mystery). The nacelle struts glow like the nacelles, & have some kind of wierd jagged grille effect & look almost organic. The nacelle Bussard collectors are orange, and the nacelles themselves are very thin and taper off at the ends.

The name & registry (NCC-1701-J) appear on top of the deflector housing. I'm not sure where the bridge is on this ship; the center of the saucer is just a huge glowing oval shape, I doubt it's the bridge. There is also a pod where the nacelle struts meet. That could be the bridge, but I'm guessing that the pod is supposed to be analagous to the NX-01's rear pod, housing the engine.

It also looks like Doug Drexler designed the ship, not John Eaves as was previously thought. Didn't we make that mistake with the NX-01 too?

All in all, a beautiful ship. Alhough I'm sure that some people here won't like it.
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
Good God, please - is anyone willing to do a scan? In the frozen wastelands of Western Canada, we rarely get to see these things until November - if at all? I pray for mercy!

Mark
 

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 

"...I'm guessing that the pod is supposed to be analagous to the NX-01's rear pod, housing the engine."

Hasn't the 01's warp core been pretty conclusively established as being in the saucer?
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
Yup.

By the way, anyone remember this?

Mark
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
I have excellent scans of seven months if someone wishes to host them and upload them.

One MAJOR disapointment: the cheesy fuckers ruined the DS9 image!!
The Miranda docked is the USS Reliant (with cooresponding registry)!
Idiots: did no one even glance at the calander for acuracy before printing it!?!
Even the most casual Trek fan knows where the Reliant comes from and that Khan was not tossing back some brews at Quark's before attacking the Enterprise.

Enterprise-J is bueatiful in the extreme.
The "nose is actually a nice looking deflector reminicent of both NX-01 nad the Galaxy.
THe nacelles seem to extend into the nacelle pylons: there's blue glowy warp plasma coming from them and leading into the nacelles.

The best image though is the Klingon BOP and Raptor hovering over the romanesque ruins of some besieged planet....it's as well rendered as anything onscreen to date.

I did not bother scanning the ISS image, The Defiant/Chaffe image (because who really cares?) the pic of NX-01 over some moon, the cover (because it kept jamming the scanner- it's a great image) or the pic of the TOS Enterprise (because it's not the conversion to TMP era as I'd hoped and because I ran out of memory in the scanner's buffer at work).

The Starfleet Museum is extremely disapoiinting: none of the ships are really in scale to each other (NX-01 is larger than the E's saucer), the Ambassador is inaccurate in several places (deflector being obvious), the B is not the Refit it should be (it's probably the same model as the Excelsior docked at DS9), and there's a tube full of people that either leads up to a dead end at the saucer of the C or they drilled a hole in the hull instead of attaching to a gangplank.

It should've been the high-point of the calander but it really falls short.

In all, well worth the $13 I paid at borders today and the best calandre since the first one.
 

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Posted by MattC (Member # 1391) on :
 
Jason,

The Ambassador and Excelsior-Refit stuff should be cleared up for the 2006 calendar. You're right, the Excelsior is the old DigitalMuse model which is a) not particularly accurate nor particularly detailed.

M.
 

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Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
 
I'll put them up on my server if you like, you can send them to thehappy(a)thehappypill ca

I would like to see the TOS Enterprise one though
 

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Posted by Resistance (Member # 1369) on :
 
Enterprise-J
 

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Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
 
Finally!

Thank you very much.

... Those are very weird looking windows. Well, at least most of the crewmembers can lie in bed and gaze into the stars without wondering what happened to the ceiling
 

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Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
 
The bussards almost look like the have a TOS thing going on
 

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Posted by Resistance (Member # 1369) on :
 
Hey Thank Jason Abbadon

This damn server has 5mb bandwidth limit.. I'm trying to ask a friend to host a larger version.
Its cool to see that Doug Drexler made it.To me it has a feel of the NX-Enterprise
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
No sweat: I may still get to scan the others but the cover is impossible without taking apart the calander (and I'm thading that for two NX-01 models so...)

On the "J", not the blue deflector crystal thingie at the ship's raer: it must be huuuuuge!
...how large do you guys place this ship at?
Definitly not "spacedock sized" as some speculated but it looks largert that a Galaxys saucer too...
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 

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Originally posted by Captain Boh:
I'll put them up on my server if you like, you can send them to thehappy(a)thehappypill ca

I would like to see the TOS Enterprise one though

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I'll kick them over to you as well.
That Reliant thing still burns my ass...
I think I'll photoshop "Sitak" there instead and make a print for my wall....
 

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
A link to the large version of the file, courtesy of Resistance
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
E-J is beautiful indeed. And huge! If those bars are indeed rows of windows, it'll make the Galaxy saucer tiny by comparison.

Now, to start finding/ digging / bugging / bribing people for a view of the underside. Or at least a description of the same...

Mark
 

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
Is it just me, or does the curve of the upper saucer seem so shallow as to be on-existent? Apart from the central bit (about a quarter of the radius, from where you can see running lights shining outwards providing illumination) which shows some dome-like properties. Perhaps the saucer shows greater curvature below than above (like, say, an Excelsior or Ambassador saucer flipped over). Mind you, the view we got from inside shows the underside as being quite flat as well. . .

http://flareupload.pleh.net/uploads/393/01_Carpet.jpg

That view seems to have been from part of the central section - but where might the under-dome you can see below located? If it's at the centre of the saucer ventral, then the sentral hammerhead section is only really prominent on the ventral surface. . .

http://flareupload.pleh.net/uploads/393/11_Nova.jpg

Also, the hammerhead section could suggest a more alien influence - Cardassian, Romulan and Klingon ships have all featured such a motif.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
The window's position that archer/Daniels is looking out from suggests a steep secondary hull: not how far above then the saucer's ventral side is.

A big ship indeed.
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
I further think that the curvature of the dorsal hull is acceptable simply because the ship is so darn big. Recall the upper decks of the GCS... Even the lower ones had rather oblique angles.

Hey, is it possible that the hammerhead secion isn't even resing on the saucer? That the dorsal superstructure actually arcs OVER it for a part of the length, especially aftwards? The windows on the saucer seem to stop rather abruptly at the apparent intersection point.

Mark
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Altered gravity might lead "upwards" into quarters so that those windows are facing their inhabitants.
Just a small tweak to artificail gravity in the decks, really.

Also, while not terriblyy clear from my scan, there are formation lights (the ACL Red and green ones) at te saucer's edge that would be frankly, enourmous at that scale and the font for the ship's regisry is the same as the NX-01 and not Starfleet Bold Extended.

That's odd as the Relativity has the SBE font...
 

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Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
 
Wow... I'd like to see a model made once the details of the model are released...
 

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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
 
Ok, thanks to Jason Abbadon and Resistance:

Ships of the Line

Oh, and LARGE files...
 

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Posted by MattC (Member # 1391) on :
 
Assuming the details ever are....

M.
 

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Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
 

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Originally posted by Mark Nguyen:
Hey, is it possible that the hammerhead secion isn't even resing on the saucer? That the dorsal superstructure actually arcs OVER it for a part of the length, especially aftwards? The windows on the saucer seem to stop rather abruptly at the apparent intersection point.

Mark

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I got the same impression. At least it would make the side view of the vessel much more interesting. (There's probably a secondary hull somwhere below the saucer, I suppose some sort of Akira-style bubble.)
 

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
 
I think if the spine does in deed arc over the saucer, it would have to connect at the aft of the saucer somehow.

I wouldn't put too much trust in the details of the texture, though, either. It probably wasn't meant to be scrutinized.

Interestingly, there appears to be a starfleet medical logo on the shuttle flying over the Ent B in the Fleet Museum photo.
 

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Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
 
Is that Kes' shuttle near the left edge of the E-D's saucer in the museum pic?

I noticed the medical logo on the Type-6 as well.

As for the E-J, I think that spine is completely attached to the saucer. It's just the semi-transparent glowy hemisphere in the middle that seems to be throwing people off. Plus, it doesn't look like it was rendered with shadow mapping turned on completely.

B.J.
 

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Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
 
Oh, and I absolutely love the ENT era Klingon BOP. It really looks like an old ship to me. Too bad we didn't see much of it. Maybe we'll get to see more of it in the future.

B.J.
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
And the ship to the upper right (above the runabout) is the one Kes flew in "Fury", also seen elsewhere in Voyager. Other small craft include the ENT inspection pod and the VOY speedboat shuttle.

The museum is a great idea, though poorly executed. As fun as the name "Enterprise" is, I'd have liked a mishmash of other names even more - more realistic and practical. The DS9 image is good save for the naming thing (Mojo was just getting good at that, and I hope the new groups do too for 2006). The fans DO notice names and numbers!

Gotta remember though, this isn't like the other calendars, which are more often than not just someone searching through the photo archives and slapping together a relatively simple layout. For SOTL we've got artists doing actual work for the project - and I'm sure they're not doing it with a Hollywood budget. Little mistakes (like the GCS model that was relabeled "Challenger" for Voyager but the smaller labels were left as "Enterprise", as seen in TWO calendars) don't get corrected, since they'd never be seen on TV and the artist probably forgot about it in the first place. We can only hope that future calendars will slowly but surely fix these mistakes.

Mark
 

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 

"The museum is a great idea, though poorly executed. As fun as the name 'Enterprise' is, I'd have liked a mishmash of other names even more - more realistic and practical."

Except, it wasn't meant to me "realistic". The entire point is that it's the Enterprises. If it were meant to be "realistic", they certainly couldn't have two E-nils, plus they'd have to leave it, the C, and the D out, since they were all destroyed before the E ever existed.

Oh, by the way, I count twenty decks just in the E-J's saucer's outer ring alone.
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
Were I drunk, I could see the Museum temporarily re-labelling a bunch of old ships to have an "Enterprise Exhibit" or somesuch for a special occasion. And creating an outsized Pre-E to go with it.

Mark
 

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Posted by Joshua Bell (Member # 327) on :
 
I was just coming to the same conclusion. Heck, some might not even be real starships, just mockups. The E-nil might just be a hollow shell with just the bridge, engineering, sickbay, Kirk and Spock's quarters, plus a few random hallways and turbolifts.

You can imagine the voice of the tour guide when leading guests into the "Enterprise-B": "Now as you know, the real Enterprise-B was lost in the battle of Gah Seeyusano Maly. But we have one of her lesser known sister ships here on display and we have updated the interiors to match what you would have seen had you visted the Enterprise on that fateful day."

No doubt there's a bake sale being held at SFHQ to raise money for the "Retrofit the B" campaign, with sticklers that want to make sure the outside of the Feaux-B is accurate, right down to the font used on the hull and the banner iconography.
 

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Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
 
Where did the link to the Museum go? It's not working.
 

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
The image of the E-J, to be honest, looks like a rush job. The saucer doesn't seem to interact well with the hammerhead secondary structure. And the image is identical in angle to the MSD seen by Archer, which makes me think that they took Drexler's image and just modified it in a hurry to be the situation display. It's a bloody weird angle for a MSD anyway. As always they got too ambitious while also being sloppy. They could have just used Drexler's image as a nice piece of corridor artwork, but instead they had to go and add lots of flickering status lights to it.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 

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Originally posted by Joshua Bell:
I was just coming to the same conclusion. Heck, some might not even be real starships, just mockups. The E-nil might just be a hollow shell with just the bridge, engineering, sickbay, Kirk and Spock's quarters, plus a few random hallways and turbolifts.

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Hmmm....I think it would be intresting to have the Sarfleet Museum with few -if any- real historical ships in it at all: they could all be holographic in nature -explaining why the gangways lead into through hull of the Ambasador "C" and how some sloppy programmer flubbed and made holographic stoc Excelsior....
The gangways (once inside a "ship") would be surrounded by a holographic montage of each ship's history and the crews that made it famous.

I SO cover trek's ass.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
I find it interesting in that they can create an Ambassador model for the calendar, yet they can't for all of DS9!

I like how you can see into the museum's windows!
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
It's a pretty inaccurate Ambassador though.
Besides, if they were going to make one new CGI model, I'd have prefered a mid-sized Dominion ship or something new from the cardassians.
 

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Posted by MattC (Member # 1391) on :
 
The Ambassador model was created some time ago for a project that never saw the light of day. And yes, the artist concerned knows how inaccurate it is.

M.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
What kind of project?
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
What is inaccurate about the E-C model? And why is there a Starfleet Medical shuttle in there?
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Deflector and interconnecting "neck" are really off for starters.
Still, at least it's not the Reliant sneaking in.
 

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
Is that a big giant grappler hanging underneath the BoP?

It's a shame that all the birdlike names got mixed up terribly on ENT, because the proto-BoP is not that bad.
 

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Posted by MattC (Member # 1391) on :
 

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Originally posted by AndrewR:
What is inaccurate about the E-C model? And why is there a Starfleet Medical shuttle in there?

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Originally posted by Harry:
Is that a big giant grappler hanging underneath the BoP?

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Originally posted by Joshua Bell:
I was just coming to the same conclusion. Heck, some might not even be real starships, just mockups.

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Of course, they just used those inflatable decoys.

 

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 

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Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov:
Any comments on the Pike-era Workbees? I've seen that design before, but I don't know where...

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quote:

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Originally posted by B.J.:
Oh, and I absolutely love the ENT era Klingon BOP. It really looks like an old ship to me. Too bad we didn't see much of it. Maybe we'll get to see more of it in the future.

B.J.

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quote:

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Originally posted by machf:

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Originally posted by Joshua Bell:
I was just coming to the same conclusion. Heck, some might not even be real starships, just mockups.

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Of course, they just used those inflatable decoys.

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Why not?
The EMH is just Trek's version of the inflatable autopilot from Airplane! anyway...
 

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Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
 
The issue of misslableing of ships isn't so much that they have X-version and Y-verison, its that either textures or modeled markings are applied to the ship. In some cases, the appropreate markings may not be there at the right time and they are overlooked for the sake of a quick job. I know if the texture files have different names it can be annoying to switch...
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
"annoying to fix" is one thing: allowing such slips to go to press is unprofessional.
This is no quickie composite for a Communicator article: this is a calander that will sell thousands of units.

A little editing was required and they blew it (or worse- caught it nad hoped no one would notice!).
 

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Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
 
I'm not disputing that, but a few comments have come up like:

"On the other hand, there's no reason why they should build a Reliant or rename the existing Miranda instead of just using the USS Majestic pictured in the Spotter."

Its likely that it was the Majestic, simply re-marked/textured from various Star Trek II images, not that its a different model and they used the wrong one.

Personally, when I'm doing a 3d model, I make the markings as swappable as possible, but I don't know how the 'official' ones are set up.

I mean, hell if I were them, I'd have rendered the stock shots (Enterprise launching shuttle, Enterprise flying by at Warp, etc.) at several different angles to changes things up a bit, but clearly, I'm not them...
 

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Posted by MattC (Member # 1391) on :
 
The Majestic isn't a model owned by Paramount, hence why it wasn't used.

M.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
If they had caught the error, they could have used any number of programs to insert a new registry: I intended to do it via Photoshop for a wall print I was going to make....
THen I decided to just scan the DS9 pic from the first SOTL calander as it's about ten times nicer anyway (and there's not the oddity of having a Galor leisurely hanging out either!).

I'm scanning the entire first calander this weekend if anyone wants those images for their sites (Starshipfreak, I'll send you them all for yours).
I gave away the other calanders though....oops.
 

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Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
 
Are the calendars considered canon or anything? After all, if they're not, such "slips" wouldn't be considered to be that. They're just "artistic renderings".
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
A silly distinction to excuse sloppy work.
 

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Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
 

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Originally posted by Harry:

quote:

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Originally posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov:
Any comments on the Pike-era Workbees? I've seen that design before, but I don't know where...

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If you're talking about the January shot of the Pike-Enterprise, did I miss a scan?

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That's the one. I can do a scan tomorrow...
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
It'll arrive on Tuesday?
 

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Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
 
Where is that link for the Fleet Museum?
 

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Posted by MattC (Member # 1391) on :
 
http://www.stguardian.to/pics/fleetmuseum.jpg

right there....
 

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Posted by MattC (Member # 1391) on :
 
BTW, since there seemed to be a few complaints about the Enterprise-B model used in this years calendar, here's a sneak preview of the revised one...

http://mattc.vip.warped.com/images2/enterprise_B3_0001.png

Ignore the textures for the moment...

M.
 

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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
 
That's pretty good!
 

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Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
 
Is it the Enterprise-B version from Generations? I can't tell without seeing her belly...

On another note, why is there no starship in the Fleet Museum photo that has the registry NCC-1701-A?

[ October 05, 2004, 09:53 AM: Message edited by: Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge ]
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
Quick work again. The E-refit in that picture is the same model used in the TMP director's cut, sans mods. The E-nil has been seen in the calendar before too.

Mark
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 

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Originally posted by MattC:
BTW, since there seemed to be a few complaints about the Enterprise-B model used in this years calendar, here's a sneak preview of the revised one...

http://mattc.vip.warped.com/images2/enterprise_B3_0001.png

Ignore the textures for the moment...

M.

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Bueatiful work there! Show us more as she comes along, please!
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
And if you can sneak-peak it for us, a look at the underside of the E-J, onegashimasu.

Mark
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
Pardon me, MattC, but who are you? (I must have missed an introduction somewhere. ) You sound like you actually work/have worked on Trek, or at least the ancillary productions like the calendars. Am I just slow in keeping up with who post here?

-MMoM
 

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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
 
I don't think he formally introduced himself, but what he has contributed in the discussion leads me to believe he has some part in making at least the SotL calendars.
 

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Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
 
As far as I know, he knows a few people involved in the making.

And is it just me or are the lines between the doors on the back of the B outset in that image?
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
Matt Cristou, I presume. Late of at least one Lightwave forum I used to lurk around..?

mark
 

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Well, considering that his e-mail address (as seen on his Web page, as linked to in his profile) starts with "mchristou"...
 

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Posted by MattC (Member # 1391) on :
 
That's moi

Another shot of the B geometry as requested...

http://mattc.vip.warped.com/images2/enterprise_B2_0001.png

And yes, the coloured shapes are supposed to be there, at least, according to the images I got from a) the DVD and b) John Eaves. (Ignore the textures, they meane nothing at this point).

It's the latest model in an effort to build a set of definitive Enterprises from the NX to the Nemesis Enterprise-E. Along the way, the team@DU (there are 4 of us) have been fortunate enough to interact with alot of the ex-FI, Eden, DD folks who bought you this stuff originally and have been kind enough to help us out with references, advice and abuse about going overboard on the detail. But then again, I know how pedantic you lot are when it comes to detail.

Here's the B (sans textures), the C and D.

http://mattc.vip.warped.com/images2/entbcd.jpg

Size is correct, though the B is slightly distorted since i forgot about the pixel aspect ratio when I rendered the ortho.

As for doing this crap professionally, no thanks (I make far too much money in my normal job). I'll leave that to the Zoic/Eden/DD folks.

Fortunately, one (actually make that two) of the people who put the calendar together liked what he saw with this one and comissioned my friend (who did mos tof the geometry) and I to finish it off for use next year (i.e. 2006 SOTL) since the current Muse excelsior is such a POS. Though to be fair, most of that stuff is designed for TV and to be moving rather than print work like the calendars.

The Amabassador in the Fleet Museum shot was built by Lee Stringer. I'll try to render up a couple of shots of it when I find the time.

Anyway, if you have any suggestions or requests, feel free. e.g. if you've got any questions for any of the folks who produced the calendars, I can pass them on.

M.

PS: Boh: I know about the doors, I just haven't got round to fixing it yet. SeanR over at SFM already pulled us up on it. And I'll give Stringer (Who built the Ent-Refit model) a holler about fixing up the Enterprise-Refit to show the correct registry and colour scheme for the Ent-A as well.
 

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Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
 
So it IS that one, I thought some of that looked familliar. Thats really cool.

Never noticed the Classic 'hatch' markings on the Excelsior before, kinda neat.
 

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Posted by MattC (Member # 1391) on :
 
Me neither..until I took a bucket of screen captures off the Generations DVD. Have a look as the camera pans down from where Harriman, Scotty and Chekov are standing. You can see the funky shapes as well as the enterprise label on the bottom of the deflector housing.

M.
 

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Posted by MattC (Member # 1391) on :
 
And I still don't know what's under most of it either....still waiting for a couple more shots from Eaves...

meanwhile, something else to entertain yourselves with...

http://mattc.vip.warped.com/images/Bussard%201.jpg

M.
 

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Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
 
Any idea if the markings were on the other Excelsiors? Or was it an Enterprise thing

BTW, do you know what the odds are of seeing other (less seen) ships in future calenders?
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 

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Originally posted by MattC:
And I still don't know what's under most of it either....still waiting for a couple more shots from Eaves...

meanwhile, something else to entertain yourselves with...

http://mattc.vip.warped.com/images/Bussard%201.jpg

M.

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Looks like a shuttle piloted by a TOS alien

Oh and the picture of the B, C and D earlier - the C looks rather like the different pictures of the Enterprise C done by some people (Tachy I believe?) - that can be seen at Bernd's site.

And Seanr comes here. I wish he'd post some more stuff. BTW, I helped him 'polish' his lighting through unrestrained criticism!

His 'Daedelus in Drydock' is calender-worthy.

Any suggestions? How about some more interesting angles? Looking out of windows etc. I'd like to have a perspective looking out one of the window of the E-D 'neck' either up at the nacelle or at the underside of the saucer - stretching away into the distance (since at 'human' size it is quite LARGE!) Exsquisit detail would be required on the hull of the Enterprise.
 

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Posted by MattC (Member # 1391) on :
 
Andrew:

hehehe, yeah, that's it. An alien shuttle.

I have Tachy's old Ambassador )both variants) somewhere round, it's actually quite different...as well as being about 1/10th the number of polys. There are no bump maps on mine, all the grids are modelled, all the markings, everything.

Stringer's Ambassador is around 150K or something.

As for a view out the window, that's possible. Though it'd mean doing some more detailing on the D. But there are window boxes behind each window, so it wouldn't be hard to shoehorn a set in there and do a shot.

Boh:

No, just on the Enterprise and Lakota. The Excelsior was quite different down there...

As for other ships in calendars...well, the problem is that alot of stuff created for the shows just won't stand up to print resolution. i.e. the Akira, Steamrunner, Saber, Norway, etc,etc,etc. You can see alot of the segmentation in a few things already.

OTOH, after B is done, I'll get back to the Akira which is of similar quality.

M.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
But you have the basic idea of the Steamrunner, Akira, Norway and Sabre - surely you can make fresh models with more detail? Extrapolating where necessary?
 

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Posted by MattC (Member # 1391) on :
 
The Akira geometry is done. Has been for months....and months. At least a year. Just never got round to texturing it.

The others, well....one of these days.

M.
 

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Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by MattC:
And I still don't know what's under most of it either....still waiting for a couple more shots from Eaves...

meanwhile, something else to entertain yourselves with...

http://mattc.vip.warped.com/images/Bussard%201.jpg

M.

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That's the nacelle control room for the Enterprise-E isn't it?
 

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Posted by Marauth (Member # 1320) on :
 
Awesome looking CG of the B, C and D. Though I noticed the Ambassador is actually a half-way house between the Ambassador/Ent-C and the later Yamaguchi/Zhukov variant, mostly I noticed the bridge area is the Yamaguchi one, The E-B is beautiful, my second favourite Federation design, behind the E-A of course.
 

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Posted by MattC (Member # 1391) on :
 
It's the actually bussard collectors within the nacelle. We're really going to town on it...

The E-C is a bit of a hybrid. I think we just kinda liked it that way.

M.
 

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Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
 

quote:

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Originally posted by MattC:
As for other ships in calendars...well, the problem is that alot of stuff created for the shows just won't stand up to print resolution. i.e. the Akira, Steamrunner, Saber, Norway, etc,etc,etc. You can see alot of the segmentation in a few things already.

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Well, I was thinking along the lines of: If these are new models, Its possible others could be made.

If I ever get super-good, I'd be happy to donate something to the callender
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
How about some OTHER species/organisations other than the UFP featured? A Ferengi D'Kora class - with all the bits and pieces open that we've never seen in action. Maybe the large cargo bays open, the weapons pod on top extended, the 'claws' decended - the drop ship leaving?
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
Scenes from Wolf 359. Hell, ONE would probably satisfy many fans for a long, long time.

Mark
 

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Posted by Marauth (Member # 1320) on :
 

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Originally posted by MattC:
It's the actually bussard collectors within the nacelle. We're really going to town on it...

The E-C is a bit of a hybrid. I think we just kinda liked it that way.

M.

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Yeah, but it's not really the E-C then is it?

P.S. the bussard collectors on the E-E are teh coolness. In a very retarded manner of speaking.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 

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Originally posted by AndrewR:
How about some OTHER species/organisations other than the UFP featured?

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Originally posted by MattC:
Heh, who knows...I'm not that motivated to do anymore Trek after these current lot are done..

On an earlier note, I had a look at some photo's John sent me of the Excelsior Refit, the coloured shapes appear ONLY on the Enterprise-B and not the Lakota.

M.

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Originally posted by Mark Nguyen:
FWIW, Mojo was going to fix that for UF, using some stuff Probert gave him to become "interm-era" warbirds. Perhaps Matt could find that stuff and use it..

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Originally posted by AndrewR:
Ahhh yes, but that picture annoyed me in that they clearly just copy and pasted two extra Warbirds. Every lighted window was the same and every subtle 'defect' and hull plating was the same - it just didn't look believeable.

And I really don't like the idea of the Warbird (D'Deridex Class) being around for the last 30-40 years!

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Originally posted by AndrewR:
Ahhh yes, but that picture annoyed me in that they clearly just copy and pasted two extra Warbirds. Every lighted window was the same and every subtle 'defect' and hull plating was the same - it just didn't look believeable.

And I really don't like the idea of the Warbird (D'Deridex Class) being around for the last 30-40 years!

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Considdering the people doing this are just using whats available to them, copy and paste will be all that there will ever be, its not like they'd bother to do multiple Warbirds for TV.

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For television it might work - for ships in the background that are moving etc. But we are talking about 'featured' ships in a piece of artwork - it was just sloppy. AND considering these things are being created on a COMPUTER - and not out of the physical molds and paints of a modeller - I see no reason why they CAN'T make two ships slightly different. Lighting different windows ISN'T hard. Slightly altering panel paint/weathering isn't hard either.

Copy and paste the original and then just touch up the copy to get a second ship.
 

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Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
 
Considdering all the little mistakes made, I doubt the artists are given alot of time. At least the bothered to turn some windows off at all.
 

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Posted by MattC (Member # 1391) on :
 
The timeframe the artists usually have on these things is usually incredibly short....

M.
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Where's the PASSION people!?!
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
There'$ a $imple an$wer to thi$ que$tion, ye$$$?

Mark
 

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Posted by MattC (Member # 1391) on :
 
Passion? that went out the window when I found out I had to redo the damned textures on the B again...

M.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Yeah, but you dont actually work on the calanders, right?
You just know people that do or did...?
 

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Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
 
I want the Prometheus damnit!!!
 

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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
 
You had it in the first calendar.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Fuck that fanboy wet-dream ship anyway.
 

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Posted by MattC (Member # 1391) on :
 
Jason:

I know the people that have done them in the past. This B is going in the next calendar.

M.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
So...you get credit for that?
Shoot for some kinda byline in the fine print at least!
 

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Posted by MattC (Member # 1391) on :
 
Depends on who ends up doing the final image I guess....though we're being paid for the model.

M.
 

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Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
 
Welll that's cool.
You should spell "Matt C" in the aztec pattern or something cool like that:
if they cant catch RELIANT scrawled across the Miranda in the DS9 image, there's not a chance in hell you'd get busted!
 

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Posted by MattC (Member # 1391) on :
 
Hehehe, nah, I'll stick a pic of myself in a porthole...

M.
 

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