Ah, Starship Class has become Constitution Class, I see...
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Yeah. So SF started putting the individual class name on the plaques sometime between when the Enterprise and Defiant were launched. Fits with the (somewhat speculative) notion that the Defiant was a late-build, but, unfortunately, not with the E-A's dedication plaque from STIV. Although it's really no big deal, as we never saw the latter (clearly) in the film.
-MMoM Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
The bridge seems to be in the midst of a full lighting test... Looks pretty damned cool. I'm kinda surprised, following all the fuss the production gang were making about how much effort it took to put the Enterprise back together for "Tribble-ations", that they seem to be slapping a whole lot of set together almost withuot thinking. I'm guessing they're using the plans they had leftover from that episode and "Relics" to good use. Looks like they can't get away from the carpets, though. >.<;;;
Now, the fun part - will we see the Defiant populated with the corpses of its former crew?
Mark
Posted by Ace (Member # 389) on :
And I guess the ST IV plaque was later replaced, and this time it seems that Starfleet just threw their hands up in the air figuring what to call it. I can see the conversation now...
A: "Starship class, right?" B: "What? Get with the program: Constitution, of course." C: "Dude, you guys are both wrong: Enterprise class!" D: "Shut up all of you! And just because you brought up Enterprise class, we're not going to put any class name on it. So there!"
Or something...
They did do a really nice job though with the sets, especially the bridge.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Curiously, the most dated and least aesthetically pleasing things are the chairs.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
The console's display screens are far worse.
It sould be amusing to see Enterprise's crew "Ohhh" and "Aaaaa" over this supposed higher level of technology.
Mabye the Defiant shifts back in time when it fades out at the end of The Tholian Web.
Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :
I would like to add a very retarded and trivial note. In the original show, the signs for sickbay read as 'astroward'. This can be seen in the episode "The Changeling".
Another nitpick - the Defiant didn't have a dedication plate. She had a blank space. Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Well maybe it had dropped off the wall?
I think they must have kept the sets from "Trials and Tribblations" in storage - which is a good thing. Just wished they kept OPS and the Promenade - only cause they are some of the Best Sets ever constructed for television!
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Where does that Jefferies Tube go? does it stop at the end or does it go further up at a steeper incline or do the tubes branch off to the left and right!?!
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
People have been trying to answer that question for FORTY YEARS. We just don't know, man.
Mark
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
That is so very cool
Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Holy shit, that is an amazing rebuild...
Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Well maybe it had dropped off the wall?
The Tholians ate it. "Beryllium is an important part of this balanced breakfast."
Nice work on the sets. It looks as if there are a couple places where the displays have been tweaked and made a little more plausible, without sacrificing the overall look.
Marian
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
None of that really explains why its back on the wall here Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
quote:Originally posted by Captain Boh: None of that really explains why its back on the wall here
Marty, you're (say it with me) not thinking fourth-dimensionally!
Marian
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Observation 1: Nice-looking sets.
Observation 2: Holy shit, it's Adam.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Yeah hi Vorlon man.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
About the Jefferies tube - we've got a view straight up - it either goes more verticle or off to the left or the right or just stops! BUT That would depend on them recreating the details ALL the way up. Actually why recreate the tube all the way up - there's a scene taking place in it?
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Maybe we get the classic top-down view of someone working in there
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
We're almost certainly gonna see Trip packed in there dodging electrical current (ala Scotty).
I'm just hoping for some shots of the Connie model from Trials...that was a sweeeet build and changing the registry would be easy.
...and yes, I DO want to see the Tholians again.
Posted by Ace (Member # 389) on :
Well, apparently, the original rumors say that it will be a CGI model of the Defiant, which would make sense since everything else on the show has always been CGI, correct?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
That would be a shame after they went to such lengths to make the new studio model. ...though it's consistant, I suppose.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Would that be the Mojo-model? Or is that not available to the current VFX company?
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
I don't see why it can't be Mojo's model seeing as they already had access to the Nova, Dauntless, Prometheus, K'T'Inga, and Vor'Cha models.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Ah, but this Defiant was grabbed from a point of time preceding the events of "Tholian Web". And boy, did Reed's stealing of the plaque for a memento make the crew mad...
Incidentally, did the E-nil-refit have a plaque? And is the E-A-ST4:SE:DC:DVD plaque supposed to be "all-new", or "the original plaque" ostensibly re-mounted?
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
The real question, though, is this: Is the "evil" Enterprise from "Mirror, Mirror" actually supposed to be the 100 year-old Defiant from the real universe?
Plus, not that this is a big deal or anything, but this whole scenario will invalidate the SCE novel dealing with the rescue of the Defiant from innerspace (or wherever it went to).
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Maybe it 'duplicated' the ship something like "Deadlock" or something, or even "how Thomas Riker was created or maybe like the Nexus - pulled out at a later date but part still remains. This was purely for those people who like SCE novels - and want to keep up the illusion. I, personally have never read an SCE novel.
Posted by Doctor Jonas (Member # 481) on :
The photos were taken offline. Would someone dig his/her Internet cache and Flareupload them, please?
Posted by Charles Capps (Member # 9) on :
Not on flareupload, please.
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
They're still on saveenterprise.com . . . just check the forum thread. Posted by Father Robert Lyons, SST (Member # 1372) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Well maybe it had dropped off the wall?
I think they must have kept the sets from "Trials and Tribblations" in storage - which is a good thing. Just wished they kept OPS and the Promenade - only cause they are some of the Best Sets ever constructed for television!
The turbolift alcove's right side (facing the lift from the bridge) was never seen in 'The Tholian Web' (believe me, I checked!). Everything from the center of the turbolift door to the right around to the Viewscreen is totally open to redesign, which they obviously did. The hooded viewer seen in one of the pics is a station too far right to have been on the Enterprise (Scotty's Engineering station had a hooded viewer, and this one is one station too far right for that viewer). The padding on the burke chairs is too thick, and the bridge rail is rounded, not mitre cut.
That being said, I am most happy to overlook these errors and chalk it up to being a late build. Besides, I view most of Trek as Federation propaganda films anyway.
Rob+
Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
Do rememebr that it's a different ship. Differences in minor details are to be expected. A different upgrade schedule, a different subcontractor for ship fittings...I would consider it an error if the bridge was a perfect match for the one on Enterprise.
Marian
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
Just look at the Ent-D vs Yamato. Both Galaxy class ships from the same batch yet with slightly different bridges.
Posted by Father Robert Lyons, SST (Member # 1372) on :
quote:Originally posted by MarianLH: Do rememebr that it's a different ship. Differences in minor details are to be expected. A different upgrade schedule, a different subcontractor for ship fittings...I would consider it an error if the bridge was a perfect match for the one on Enterprise.
Marian
Well, if one compares what has been rebuilt to what was seen on screen in Tholian Web, then there are going to be errors...
That being said, I don't really care. I'm glad we'll get to see a Connie on TV again (even if only for two weeks) and like you, I rationalize away the inconsistencies and errors in reconstruction.
What I do want to see, however, is a bunch of dead people laying around the ship.... in exactly the positions they were in the original episode Heheh!
Rob+
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
There were dead people lying around on the ship?
*wanders of to watch the DVD again*
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Yeah, they'd all killed each other or went mad or something. McCoy puts his hand through a corpse at one point.
And they should have plenty of TOS costumes left over from the Tribble episode... New ship patches are pretty easy to work up, but it wouldn't surprise me too much if they simply kept the arrowhead and hope people don't notice.
I'm still betting that the Defiant will be renamed ISS Enterprise by the end of the two-parter...
Mark
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: Yeah, they'd all killed each other or went mad or something. McCoy puts his hand through a corpse at one point.
That was in Miri.
...oh wait...that's just what I wanted to happen in Miri. Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
So, like, I hope that these "preliminary" exterior shots are in fact very preliminary, as they look rather shittish, being inaccurate to the TOS studio model and quite poorly-textured. (That's not even the right font! )
Either that or it's a FAAAAAAAAAAKE.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Those didn't last long.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
I didn't post this. My computer was hijacked by a little green space alien from the planet Marva.
So, OK, one wonders about these, because accuracy issues aside, they're nowhere near the, uh, level of detail of the computer models used on the show. Like, people at the boards of said site are concerned that these don't look so good, yet they're obviously not broadcast quality.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Regarding the uniform patches, a true canon freak would in fact INSIST that the Enterprise arrowhead be used. After all, if one looks closely enough, this is what we see in the original episode.
Sure, the director seemed to go to awful pains to hide the patches on virtually everybody, but he missed a spot... The arrowhead is visible on the redshirt draped over a table at the CMO's office. Of course, it's WAY too small to be properly discerned.
If we see the bodies duplicated (which I find very unlikely, since I'd assume we pick up the MU action long after the MU characters have appropriated the derelict), are we also going to see the surprising number of identical twins we witnessed aboard the ship in the original episode?
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim:
Either that or it's a FAAAAAAAAAAKE. [/QB]
LOL! That line/scene still gives me a chill down the spine. Was a great episode and a great scene!
Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
quote:Originally posted by Father Robert Lyons, SST: What I do want to see, however, is a bunch of dead people laying around the ship.... in exactly the positions they were in the original episode Heheh!
Wish granted, apparantly.
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
So, either the madness that affected everyone in this region of space (from TOS "Tholian Web") doesn't apply here; or the Mirror-Mirror crew are so nuts no one will notice...
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I'm intruiged by the idea that there will be no cross-over with the real universe Enterprise-crew at all. And the redone title sequence idea, while no longer completely new, is always fun.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
It's good that they're willing to do these outrageous things these days, it's a far cry from when they refused to consider doing "The Big Goodbye" Holodeck scenes in black & white.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
The altered title sequence apparently intercuts scenes from "a certain movie". I'm guessing First Contact.
Mark
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Ok... I didn't like the premise because it establishes once and for all that the Mirror Universe is a temporal offshoot of our universe, a theory I've never gone for. But having read some of this, I think I can get on board with it.
The redone title sequence is a totally nice touch. Talk about going all out. I remember LA Law redoing their opening sequence once to go along with something that happened in the teaser scene and I thought it was great.
The the revised events from First Contact should be very cool. My guess is that right after the Ent. E crew beams up, some drunken hillbilly kills the Vulcans.
Ok... I'm looking forward to seing it.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I'm guessing that the whole parallel universe is FUNADAMENTALLY evil - even the "resistance" people on DS9 were pretty nasty. So, I'd say that the ORIGINAL events of First Contact happened wihtout Borg interference: Cochrane makes his first warp flight, the T'Plana Hath lands, the Vulcan guy steps out, raises his hand in greeting... And is brutally gunned down by the evil people of Montana.
They then capture the ship, copy the warp drive technology, thank Cochrane for setting up his trap, build a fleet, and merrily head off to conquer Vulcan.
Mark
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
Cool idea in and of itself. I just dislike throwing the TOS Defiant into the mix. Seems unnecessary.
I'd love to see a TNG era episode deal with a TOS Connie. It'd even be cool to see either the NX-01 thrown forward in time to TOS era or a different TOS Connie pulled backward, but meshing these two ideas together seems a bit much.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Or Cochrane hits the jukebox and Linkin Park comes out instead of funky Rock and/or Roll. The Vulcans try to leave, but are blocked off by the approaching army of LiveJournal users who want to read the aliens some poetry about how they are unique and different and bi-polar.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Looks like we'll be seeing a Tholian too!
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
And a CGI-one. I seriously wonder how they're going to pull that one off. No-one has EVER made a believable Tholian out of that thing we saw on TOS.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
But no one's ever tried, on the show anyway. What, fan-productions count?
And I'm STILL betting that at the end of the two-parter, Archer's captured Defiant will be re-named Enterprise, rather than be the templte for a bunch of exact duplicates...
Mark
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
My guess is you're right. His NX-01 will likely be destroyed, likely in some clash with Captain Forrest. Because he's all spiteful and stuff, he'll make his newly acquired Connie his very own Enterprise. Giving it a rego of 1701 wouldn't make much sense for him, though, given he would have no knowledge of that registry scheme. Did we ever see exteriors of the ISS Enterprise in Mirror, Mirror that showed the 1701 registry? Was it on the plaque?
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
They never bothered with relabeling the model, except the apply reverse labels so they can flip the film around and supposedly show the port side of the ship.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Well, I just mean that, if we never see a registry on the ISS Enterprise in Mirror, Mirror, than for all we know, it could still say "Defiant", or Archer could have relabeled the Defiant "Enterprise" with no registry.
But then... even if the "real" Defiant ends up becoming the Mirror Enterprise, quite a bit of time will pass between archer getting his hands on it and the events from Mirror, Mirror. So even if we did see a label on the ship in Mirror, Mirror, it doesn't really rule anything out.
I just hope T'Pol doesn't have a beard. Though, if she follows standard Mirror Universe protocall, she will most certainly be a lesbian. And will probably share a psuedo sexual torture scene with Hoshi...
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Having the Defiant show up is a little bit odd. Like, all spacewarps lead to the mirror universe now?
(In my head that was a clever mutation of the more famous cliche, though I suspect it is not, in fact, clever.)
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
So interspace not only moves ships around dimensions, but time as well...
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
What's the difference?
Posted by The Captain from M.I.K.E. (Member # 709) on :
the ISS Enterprise was clearly shown to be NCC-1701 in "Mirror, Mirror" i believe....
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Yes it was. They just had reversed labels and stock footage. In fact, if i recall correctly, the model used was the version used for the pilot episode (ya know, the ship had spikes on the bussard collectors).
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
So, do we conceed the point to stock footage, or was the ISS Enterprise in pilot configuration? Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Like most of the males here would mind T'Pol sleeping with Hoshi...
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Oh, they actually changed the model they used in Mirror, Mirror - I thought they just flipped the direction of the film when they 'crossed over'.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Actually both. The stock footage was of the pilot version and it was flipped film. The footage was probably made for the pilot. I don't remember if such a shot did make it to the pilot though.
They had actually made two models. The 11-footer was used in both pilots and as the series-version of the ship. So it appeared as three design variations. The other was something like a 2-footer which only appeared as the series-version.
If the USS Defiant does end up being the ISS Enterprise, one could say that over the years, modifications had been made on it so that it coincidentally looks like the MK I or MK II Constitution design later. But it still wouldn't explain the NCC-1701 registry
Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
I'd say the Defiant gets destroyed but enough data was downloaded onboard Enterprise to create their own Constitution Classes.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Shouldn't that put Imperial ship designers one hundred years ahead of their mirror counterparts? (Not that this is a new problem in mirror universe metaphysics.)
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I recall two shots of the ISS Enterprise. One was when they crossed over...there was a shot of the Enterprise travelling left to right across the screen that was mixed with one travelling in the opposite direction. Both shots were different from each other (and I recall the Enterprise looking very white and clean in one, as if they were using better than normal cameras).
For the rest of the show, they used the standard "Enterprise orbiting planet coming from the centre of the screen and leaving to the right" shot that was used all the time.
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
quote:Originally posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge: I'd say the Defiant gets destroyed but enough data was downloaded onboard Enterprise to create their own Constitution Classes.
Interesting parallel. Mirror Archer and Co. steal/aquire the Defiant and then either use it as the Enterprise or copy the Connie and design their own.
100 years later the Mirror O'Brien steals the plans for the Defiant and build their own version.
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
For your pleasure: screen captures from TOS "Mirror Mirror"
It's nice to see that Kirk fought against the "mirror" nature of the mirror universe as soon as he got there, as his first order seems to have been to make the ship do a 180 degree spin.
Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
Well, he wouldn't want to do it with his own starship.. but he has no qualms about braking somebody elses, in an alternate universe.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
I've been trying to find images from "The Tholian Web" but it doesn't seem to be an ep that any of my usual sources have capped.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
So, it looks like Mirror, Mirror used footage of both the MK II and MK III variants.
Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
Exactly how many variants are there, based just on the filming miniatures?
Marian
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
MK I: "The Cage" version (the Franz Joseph version I chalk up to being an inaccurate representation of the MK III) MK II: "Where No Man Has Gone Before" version MK III: series production version (the Constellation is just this version ignoring any variation due the plastic model inaccuracies) MK IV: movie version (I don't believe any of the Phase II and other pre-ST:TMP/post TOS versions exist as variants of the class, though they may exist as separate classes)
There may also be a version based off the movie version, but which has the nacelles rotated outward 90 degrees, but I say that is also a separate class. Recently there is evidence of another of this version, but which has the nacelles switched around so that the front end is facing rear and the rear end facing front - and I say this was just a kid who didn't know how to build a plastic model and this version does not exist as a real design commissioned by Starfleet.
Posted by The Captain from M.I.K.E. (Member # 709) on :
hey look what happened when i put two screencaps from "The Tholian Web" on top of each other in Photoshop Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Choking redshirt guy looks rather like the extra who gets chewed out by Kirk in "The Trouble with Tribbles," subsequently replaced by O'Brien in "Trials and Tribble-ations." I wonder if Colm Meaney is available. . ?
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Gold shirt guy looks like he might be the captain.
Posted by The Captain from M.I.K.E. (Member # 709) on :
he is the captain and he is played by Paul Baxley, from Trouble with Tribbles. The SCE novel named him Captain Blair.
It takes a while for virtualdub to decompress my bootleg episode files for capping -- anyone have any other requests? I assume we're going to be taking a look at the turbolift alcove next, should these stone knives and bearskins i'm trying to use as a memory circuit hold out. Now I understand why it took Spock days to decompile his video in the tricorder before he could take newpaper article caps from the old movie pictures he fed in...
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Where's the rest of the bridge crew? Is it just these two guys on the bridge, or are the others all crammed into the aft section?
I want bodies, dammit.
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Oh, they actually changed the model they used in Mirror, Mirror - I thought they just flipped the direction of the film when they 'crossed over'.
The 11-foot Enterprise was not finished on the starbaord side, there was still unpainted wood visible and wires hanging out for the lighting. To do the reverse shot, they had to relabel the 'good' side with reverse-printed Starfleet markings, and film it normally, then reverse the film to make it appear like the starboard side of the ship.
Posted by Austin Powers (Member # 250) on :
Now where did you get that piece of info from?
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
There are pics floating around of the true starboard side of the model.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
I should have said the true port side.
Posted by The Captain from M.I.K.E. (Member # 709) on :
yes, you should have.
Posted by MarianLH (Member # 1102) on :
This was posted on TrekBBS. Someone asked Mike Okuda about the issue ot the TOS sets looking more primitive than the ones on ENT. I thought some people might be interested.
Marian
quote: With regard to your observations on the unlabeled TOS controls:
I shared your concern that the original bridge controls were not labeled. This never bothered me when I was watching the original series. Still, for the re-created set, we were a little concerned that modern audiences now know what real computers and real spaceships look like. Manny Coto, Mike Sussman, and Herman Zimmerman were all very clear in wanting to be as faithful as possible to the original set, while introducing subtle upgrades where necessary.
On the re-created Defiant bridge, I actually had little clear stickers applied to nearly all the "jellybean" buttons. Each of those stickers had a numeric code printed in small black letters. The stickers were designed to be relatively inconspicuous, so they wouldn't be apparent in most photography, except in closeup. Despite all this effort, I was amused to note that while they were clearly visible in person, they were virtually invisible, even in high-definition photography. This probably has something to do with the fact that the jellybean buttons were lit from the bottom as well as with the set lights, combined with the angles of the facets and the intense colors of the resin. In other words, had such stickers existed on the original bridge, you probably would never have seen them in the original series!
We did something similar with the blinking "icon" panels. Each of the colored squares was also labeled, but in a manner that nearly disappeared in most shots. I think these were more successful than the button labels, in that they were faintly visible in some of the closer bridge angles, but not in the wider shots.
The goal, of course, was to imply that these labels were always there, but you just hadn't noticed them before. We tried this on the "Relics" bridge replica, as well as the one we did for "Trials and Tribble-ations." In each of those cases, I thought the lettering on the icons was just a little too prominent, so I made it smaller and lighter for "Mirror Darkly." Whether or not I was more successful this time there will remain to be seen.
We are all in awe of Matt Jefferies' genius, and we very much hope that this new re-creation will be seen as a testament to his artistry.
-Mike
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
But is it me or when I saw the Defiant bridge pictures the displays kinda reminded me of how the TNG screens looked like in the early seasons?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I was wondering for the 'mirror Enterprise' universe - is there going to be a Mirror Porthos!?!
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Yeah - she'll be an oversized French poodle.
Mark
Posted by The Captain from M.I.K.E. (Member # 709) on :
Hey, um, look I'm about to post. Not really a double post.
Or is it?
Posted by The Captain from M.I.K.E. (Member # 709) on :
i've reviewed the episode more closely -- there's not much more to see -- we know that there were no dead bodies in the areas of the bridge occupied by the landing party - Kirk and Spock stayed by the helm and beam-in area, and the science station, while the others used the turbolift.
The dedication plaque was uncovered, seen in a longshot, camera being just starboard of the viewscreen, stationed near the nav station.
On the matter of the unifrom patches, the two visible in sickbay and ones half visible in engineering don't really convince me - we know the uniforms were enterprise insignia, but i don't think the insignia was very clearly seen -- it could easily have been another design.
If anyone ends up reviewing the entire episode, one of the fun things i noticed is if you look at the Defiant corpses, you might spot their still-living identical twins in group scenes aboard the Enterprise.
Plus Lieutenant O'Neil (Sean Morgan) also played Ensign Harper, who died in "The Ultimate Computer" -- but he had even played O'Neil before that, in season 1 -- i wondered if they planned when he would be Harper and when he would be O'Neil -- or if it just depended on whether he got a redshirt with stripes out of the laundry that morning -- but which was he when he wore a yellow command jumpsuit in "Balance of Terror" as the phaser room officer/technician? Who i ask you!
It's also odd -- Dr. Mulhall's uniform is seen on a woman in the funeral scene -- with lieutenant commander stripes. I wonder if this extra could be a security chief.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Maybe Mirror Porthos will go around humping everyone's leg. He will, naturally, be wearing a spiked leather collar and a muzzle.
Has Porthos even shown up in season 4 yet?
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Yes. At least in "Babel One", while talking about Tellarites eating canine. So I guess mirror Porthos eats Tellarites.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"On the matter of the unifrom patches, the two visible in sickbay and ones half visible in engineering don't really convince me - we know the uniforms were enterprise insignia, but i don't think the insignia was very clearly seen -- it could easily have been another design."
Y'know, there was never any real evidence that the patches were unique to each ship. Perhaps the insignia denoted "1st Fleet", "2nd Fleet", etc. Therefore, there would be no problem with two ships that have the same insignia.
Not to mention that it would make far more sense for the symbol of one of the fleets to become the generic Starfleet emblem, than the symbol of just one ship to do so.
Posted by The Captain from M.I.K.E. (Member # 709) on :
Yes, even if the Defiant had a unique insignia, there are still at least two other starship officers with the enterprise patch that didnt serve on enterprise -- kirk and ben finney's academy friends at the starbase 11 bar in "court-martial."
it would make sense for this to apply to an entire fleet (perhaps dozens or hundreds of ships) all wearing that same insignia. After all, we know that the starbase command shared an insignia between separate postings -- all starbase officers seen had the starburst assignment patch -- shared with the academy as well. cestus 3 and the romulan outposts had the same uniform patch, as well as a modern, black collared, beige variant uniform. The Antares insignia was worn after that ships destruction by a man at the space station K-7 bar.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Captain from M.I.K.E.: Hey, um, look I'm about to post. Not really a double post.
Or is it?
Premature posting is a problem you don't have to live with in silence.
Posted by The Captain from M.I.K.E. (Member # 709) on :
dedication plaque ----------^
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
I wonder if this shot will be remade...
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Here's some pics of the uniforms and insignia of the Defiant, modeled quite beautifully by Jolene Blalock and others. In one of them, there's a representation of the ships's internal structure. Nifty.
-MMoM Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
:: sigh :: T'Pol should have always had long hair. Jolene Blalock looks much better with it than that short unisex bob she's worn the past four years.
In the background of the second picture, you can see an internal schematic of the Defiant on the large monitor behind the situation table. I hope we some nice close-ups on that; the diagram looks neat.
I guess the rumors about the stiffness of Phlox's uniform are true. The motion of his arms looks really restrained by the uniform in comparison to Ensign Redshirt's flailing.
Posted by japol (Member # 1149) on :
I believe Ensign Redshirt is actually Commander Tucker.
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: Here's some pics of the uniforms and insignia of the Defiant
I thought the SAME thing when I first saw it not five minutes ago G2K!
And Phlox looks to be wearing a uniform reminiscent of either Odo during the Occupation or Section 31! Or maybe made out of the same material as the Intendent's "second skin" is made out of!
Oh NO! The EVA suits have the NX-01 patch still on them!!
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
quote:Originally posted by Guardian 2000: That insignia is my website symbol!
Actually - it's hard to tell - it might be the mirror Enterprise symbol on the EVA suit. From a distance that new 'Enterprise' symbol looks like a skull and cross bones.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
From what I recall hearing, they put on the defiant crew's unis because the only thing they have with them are the EVA undergarments.
I said it in the other thread... Blalock is fine.
I agree that the MU versions of the Ent uniforms look pretty stupid. They need to be a *little* more redesigned like the TOS MU unis were. Making it a tank top for the women would've helped.
Travis doesn't look very E-vil, either... no stubble or anything. I think a cool lip-drip and a shaved head would've done wonders.
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
Someone has said that symbol (and thus my site symbol) is the Franz Joseph version of the old TOS boomerang pennant thingy, but I don't have the Star Fleet Technical Manual and can't find anything online, so I can't confirm.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Travis looks a little... Jaffa-ish, well at least a little Teal'c-ish in that pic! Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
It looks like the mirror NX-01 on the EVA suits to me. As for Travis... do you think mirror Travis will be invlolved with everything? Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
What do you think? This man's wearing a red shirt, for gods sake!
But I kinda like his mirror look Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Guardian 2000: Someone has said that symbol (and thus my site symbol) is the Franz Joseph version of the old TOS boomerang pennant thingy, but I don't have the Star Fleet Technical Manual and can't find anything online, so I can't confirm.
I confirm. His pointed the other way, tough.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
An interesting thing was pointed out at trekbbs: we get our first good look at a Constitution MSD. And in rotating 3D form to boot! Look slightly up and to the left of the second midriff from the top...
With suitable zoom-ins, we should be able to nail down once and for all the location of Main Engineering on the E-nil.
Or on the Defiant, at any rate.
In the Mirror Universe.
In one of them, anyway.
Assuming the image isn't Terran Empire disinformation, or the result of extensive TE modifications to the original ship.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
Well, it is supposed to be Defiant from our universe, anyway...
Posted by machf (Member # 1233) on :
Ah, so it was here that I saw this thread...
As I meant to comment earlier, doesn't it look like the pictures of T'Pol and Archer+Mayweather in TOS uniforms are taken aboard the Avenger? It certainly isn't the Defiant, and the Enterprise is supposed to have been destroyed at that point...
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: I confirm. His pointed the other way, tough. [/QB]
Ah, crap. Well, at least this gave me the needed kick in the pants to go E-baying for FJ's SFTM. It ships today.
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That insignia is my website symbol!