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Lots on the political situation on Earth, which will likely be the major source of analysis for this episode. There will likely be some moderated in opposition to the Coalition, but who knows if they'll be evident in light of the extremists.

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Good stuff here, but this should really be discussed in the Enterprise forum, since it's not tech-related.
 

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Posted by OnToMars (Member # 621) on :
 
Also, a "verteron weapon" which is ostensibly used to deflect comets and has the curious ability to "hit any target in the system." Some how, this weapon, which appears to be your standard run of the mill beam weapon, isn't limited by line of sight and can hit, say, planets on the opposite side of the sun, the near side of the moon, and gosh, it must even be capable of hitting the opposite hemisphere of Mars.

Once again, Mars is depicted as lifeless and devoid of any infrastructure whatsoever. There should be, at the very minimum, millions of people on Mars, and surely there's a Mars Police Force that's capable of neutralizing one little mining station.

Also, do they ever mention what exactly they're mining on the Moon? Since the only thing worth mining on the moon is hydrogen isotopes and water, what exactly is the station's purpose there? They should've set it on an asteroid, it would've given them a concrete reason for being there and also would've made the "flying mine" idea a little more plausible. And that's not to say anything about a beam weapon traveling slower than the speed of light and thus taking minutes or more to reach its target.

Apparently, we're coming up on the founding of the Federation and we still have extremist, fundamentalist xenophobes running around. Blech.
 

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
- Okay.. so no-one ever wondered why a mining complex has warp engines?

- Trip seems to forget that he himself piloted the NX-01 at warp in the solar system in the pilot. He was quite shocked at the idea of Paxton flying his behemoth to Mars.

It may not be tech, but this is episode is mostly about politics, so I'll mention it anyway.

- Nathan Samuals is called 'Minister', but of what and for which organization is not very clear. Presumably, he's something like a foreign affairs minister for the United Earth.

- There are a lot of aliens attending. Andorians, Tellarites, Vulcans, Denobulans, and a host of weird one-off aliens. At least, I didn't spot any other familiars.

- The Tellarites are pushing for an embargo against the Orions, because the Orions have allegedly been attacking Tellarite freighters. The 'facehugger' ambassador is opposed to an embargo, and also says Coridan will never agree to trade sanctions (making it sound almost like he is supposed to be a Coridanite. But we already know they look different). It seems there are (at this stage at least) a lot more 'founding members' than the classic four (or five, counting Alpha Centauri).

- Yeah.. Mars seems devoid of civilization. No mention of the fleetyards or any habitation.

- And indeed.. what the hell is there to mine on the Moon?

- Colonel Green became leader after the signing of a peace treaty. It seems like he only came into power until *after* the nuclear war. WWIII looks to be a short but devastating nuclear war, followed by a 'peace treaty' and presumably followed by a more 'conventional' war to get rid of Green.
 

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
 
Is Mars merely depicted as lifeless, or declared lifeless? Even if there has been a colony on the planet for half a century, this doesn't mean that there would be anything truly worthwhile there. Most of the planet could be wasteland, and remain so even in the TNG era. The dockyards in orbit in the TNG era might be there mainly because they were shooed away from all other insystem locations, not because there'd be something useful for them on or under Martian surface.

The flying mining station might not be a "lunar" one per se, but just spending the "winter months" or maintenance downtime there. Its normal assignment might indeed be to hop from asteroid to asteroid, in which case warp drive makes eminent sense. Except if warp drive isn't normally used within the Sol system...

Any taboo on insystem warping at this point sounds really weird, given how many obvious insystem vessels are obviously warp-capable in this and other episodes. Is the dialogue on this "fatally explicit" or merely "suggestive of a YATI but creatively interpretable"?

Timo Saloniemi
 

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
It's the usual "Prepare for warp speed!" "In system!?" kind of dialogue. A slightly worried Trip.

Of course, we see that weird weapon array on Mars, and it is very likely that we simply didn't see the other signs of habitation. Sattelites and small settlements are pretty much invisible on a planetary scale, after all.

And there was genuine surprise with Starfleet when the mining station flew off. Sometimes I wish they did not have the budget for gratuitous FX shots like this. All in all, the politics were nice, but the technical bits were not very well thought out and a bit too much like a children's comic-book.
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
Mars is smaller than Earth, but it's still a big planet. Plenty of room for everything that should be there, although I personally wouldn't have expected much in any case. A small colony sure, and this verteron array, but what else is supposed to be there at this point? It's not the 24th century.

I rather got the impression that the Orpheus' warp engines weren't spec, but had been added by Paxton and his workers specifically with this nefarious purpose in mind.

And yeah, the warping in-system comment was very strange (if scientifically sensible) seeing as how the only other time this was mentioned was in TMP. Every other series including ENT itself has shown numerous in-system jumps without incident. But wasn't it T'Pol who made the comment, not Trip?

There were indeed Xhosa/Norkova-type ("Antares-class") freighters flying over the lunar colony. Quite a long-lasted design...

-MMoM
 

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Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
 
1. The facility-ship's take-off thrusters and warp engines appeared to be contained in the same units . . . the louvered ports were expelling flame during take off, and flashed blue upon activation of warp drive.

2. On January 19, 2155, the distance from Mars to the moon will be approximately 1.0393 AU, per Celestia. Or, in other words, about 150,000,000 kilometers, give or take. A five-second warp jump means that the facility-ship was travelling at around 100c.

3. In "Mosaic", Mars was said to be largely red still, but in possession of patches of blue and green in the neighborhood of Olympus Mons. By 2103, the terraforming of Mars was underway and just under a century later, Mars possessed a breathable atmosphere.
 

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
The problem with the warp-complex was the fact that it was supposed to be 'secret'. How can you hide warp coils, a M/ARA, deflectors, and expensive dilithium right on the doorstep of Starfleet Command? It's like hiding a Space Shuttle complete with launch rockets, in the garden of the White House.
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
Harry:
Why would Starfleet have any reason to observe the mining complex, though, prior to the events of this episode? It seems they've had their hands full the past couple of years, what with Xindi and Klingon attacks, embassy bombings, etc.

Guardian:
2. Wouldn't know about those calculations, but just because the engines were fired for a five-second burst doesn't mean that it only took them five seconds to get there. You can't warp right into the atmosphere.

3. Since Mosaic isn't canonical, it really doesn't matter.

-MMoM
 

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"The problem with the warp-complex was the fact that it was supposed to be 'secret'. How can you hide warp coils, a M/ARA, deflectors, and expensive dilithium right on the doorstep of Starfleet Command? It's like hiding a Space Shuttle complete with launch rockets, in the garden of the White House."

Except, a space shuttle is huge, and the White House garden is not. It would be more like hiding a centimeter-high model of a space shuttle in the White House garden. Amidst hundreds of other space shuttle models.
 

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Posted by OnToMars (Member # 621) on :
 
What is Mosiac again? A novel?

And again, perhaps Starfleet has been awfully busy with its respective crises but it still begs the question, aren't there other organizations licensed to carry guns in system who are tasked with keeping the rule of law? Another thing that bugged me was that Archer and company seemed to have no trouble taking on an undercover mission in an area over which they had no jurisdiction. "Hey, guys, we should check this shit out." "Won't the Lunar Police get pissed at us?" "Who?"
 

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And they didn't warp right into the atmosphere . . . they warped to Mars, dropping out of warp and flying past the camera to show an almost screen-filling planet.

This they did from very near the moon. They were hailed shortly prior to going to warp, and the time between Archer being informed that the facility-ship was taking off to the time when the vessel went to warp was a sufficiently short amount of time that Archer had just made it to the bridge.

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Here is a link to the StarTrek.com FAQ. While you are of course perfectly at liberty to refuse to consider it a canon work for your own purposes, it is a part of the official canon.

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2. The information and features included in this Web Site have been compiled from a variety of sources, are for informational and entertainment purposes only, and are subject to change at any time without notice. This Web Site and all information it contains are provided "AS IS." By accessing or linking to this Web Site, you assume the risk that the information on this Web Site may be incomplete, inaccurate, out of date, or may not meet your needs and requirements.

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That FAQ exists as it does because the editors of startrek.com are perpetuating common dogma based on faulty information. The whole "Jeri Taylor's novels are canon" thing got started because she wrote them while still acting as an executive producer-writer on VGR, and they represented her view of Janeway's (and others') backgrounds, which she was in a position to have the show adhere to. Once she left VGR, she was no longer in that position and the backstories were NOT adhered to. Another mportant (oft-frogotten) point is that it was never intended for the events of the novels to be canonical, merely the backstory datapoints on the main characters.

Furthermore, as clarified in sources such as Star Trek: The Magazine and by John Ordover on the TrekBBS, no one ever *really* said the Taylor novels were canonical, it was simply *assumed* that the stuff in them was accurate because Taylor had written them. Once she was gone, and other writers contradicted facts from the books, this issue was rendered moot. Jeri Taylor's novels cannot be canonical because they have been contradicted by onscreen productions. It's as simple as that.

Trying to argue this point is like trying to argue that Star Trek V and Star Trek VI are non-canonical because Gene Roddenberry said so. Once Roddenberry no longer had direct control over ST, his opinion ceased to mean much of anything. And trying to say that something on ENT is wrong because it doesn't fit with Mosaic is totally ludicrous considering that Jeri Taylor had NOTHING to do with ENT.

-MMoM
 

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
Michael Ivins from the Flaming Lips is in this episode!

It's like if you took a thing I enjoy and crashed an asteroid composed entirely of solid awesome into it. And no one provided me with a prior heads-up? For shame. Now if they could get, say, Patrick Stewart into Christmas on Mars somehow.

http://www.startrek.com/startrek/view/news/article/10260.html
 

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Somebody on Usenet mentioned noticing a "The Cage"-type laser cannon inside the mine (probably used as a drill or something). Can anybody confirm that?
 

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
Well.. it was a giant laser cutting thing. In that sense, it was similar to the "The Cage" weapon. But it did not have any particularly astounding similarities, IIRC.

And you know.. the miners were all dirty and grim looking, but all they seemed to do was wave blue lights over the walls. And they failed to explain why they needed humans for this shitty work. And apparently, the mines have normal gravity, and a breathable atmosphere. It must be pretty valuable stuff they're mining. Perhaps it's one Trek's fantasy materials like something needed for verterium cortenide?
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
I can buy that. The only real excavation on the moon we've made are a few inches down, and cratering has only gone a few hundred feet. I'm willing to accept that the Moon in Trek could house all sorts of goodies we haven't been able to dig or remotely sense. For all we know, the core of the moon is made of sweet, crunchy Toblerone.

Mark
 

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
 
Or then there are alien spacecraft buried under the surface. Finders keepers.

I've lost track of something now: was the five-second warping specified in dialogue, or timed from the episode visuals, or just assumed for assumption's sake? Was there something specific to make, say, a five-minute warp jump unlikely?

Timo Saloniemi
 

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Dialogue. "Prepare for a five second jump" or something very similar. Cut to complex flying away all ring-ship like, and cut to ship arriving in Mars orbit and preparing to land.
 

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And you know.. the miners were all dirty and grim looking, but all they seemed to do was wave blue lights over the walls. And they failed to explain why they needed humans for this shitty work. And apparently, the mines have normal gravity, and a breathable atmosphere. It must be pretty valuable stuff they're mining. Perhaps it's one Trek's fantasy materials like something needed for verterium cortenide?

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I can buy that. The only real excavation on the moon we've made are a few inches down, and cratering has only gone a few hundred feet. I'm willing to accept that the Moon in Trek could house all sorts of goodies we haven't been able to dig or remotely sense. For all we know, the core of the moon is made of sweet, crunchy Toblerone.

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Except that the lunar astronauts took core samples, and while it's true that the deepest they dug was a few feet, from the samples they took, we still have a pretty good idea of what the moon in its entirey, is composed of, not to mention that the other ways we have of determing what the moon is composed of. And the idea that there is a technobabbly substance down there that we currently have no idea exists is very, very unlikely. Not impossible, I admit, but still unlikely.

I'm not saying that there isn't a concievable reason why people would be conducting that type of excavation on the moon, just that without a bit of elaboration, it's rather awkward writing.
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
That's what I'm saying. It's not impossible, so I can accept it as an SF fact.

And dialogue specified a five-second burst for the station's warp drive. I can accept a sustained coasting after that, with a any missing time simply lost in between shots.

Mark
 

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
The idea that the moon contains verterium cortenide is no more implausible than the idea that verterium cortenide exists in the first place.

"And apparently, the mines have normal gravity, and a breathable atmosphere."

That was the biggest plot hole I saw. They figured out that the lady with the phaser phase pistol hole in her midsection had chemicals in her that suggested she had been spending time in low-G. So, one, why would they check at a facility with perfectly normal gravity, and, two, since they ended up being correct, why did her body indicate extended low-grav living?
 

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Except that the lunar astronauts took core samples, and while it's true that the deepest they dug was a few feet, from the samples they took, we still have a pretty good idea of what the moon in its entirey, is composed of, not to mention that the other ways we have of determing what the moon is composed of.

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The whole "Jeri Taylor's novels are canon" thing got started because she wrote them while still acting as an executive producer-writer on VGR, and they represented her view of Janeway's (and others') backgrounds, which she was in a position to have the show adhere to. Once she left VGR, she was no longer in that position and the backstories were NOT adhered to.

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Once she was gone, and other writers contradicted facts from the books, this issue was rendered moot. Jeri Taylor's novels cannot be canonical because they have been contradicted by onscreen productions. It's as simple as that.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
Boy, this is my favorite topic of conversation, and a very fruitful one at that.

The Flaming goddamn Lips!
 

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Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :
 
Is this two-parter a homage to the Bond films? In this two-parter, we have had the:

*Wealthy financier and villian of the piece. He has a very expensive piece of hardware constructed without the prior knowledge of the heroes - a flying saucer, a wildly implausible idea - the Verteron Array as a WMD, and the demands which mirror the principles of the villian - all non-aliens must leave the planet Earth. In his employ, there are the minions who if named are very dangerous.

*The hero who is a dashing and fertile male - Trip.

*The babe who is attrative and who has emotions for the hero - T'Pol.

If the homage holds up, then Trip will defeat Paxton. The question is how?
 

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Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
 
You forgot the Secret Undercover Operation(tm).
 

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Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
 
The verteron array must be a subspace weapon of some sort. Unless there are more missing time shots involved, a light speed blast from Mars to the Moon would take at LEAST several minutes to traverse the gap.

Mark
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
Guardian:

I must admit, given your evidence presented here and after reviewing your page, that you make a persuasive argument---one that makes it difficult to maintain my position on this issue. In short, you may be right.

I am not prepared at this time to concede the point, however. The discontinuity between the Taylor novels and onscreen VGR itself makes it equally difficult for me to accept them as canonical. It would seem obvious, given the various inconsistencies, that the production staff never paid any attention to them once Taylor had departed. That in and of itself would seem to argue against their canonicity. It's something of a quandary.

It's mostly the use of the Gaskill/startrek.com FAQ as "proof" that is irksome to me, as there is a great deal of information on that website that is plainly incorrect. Many dates and even the bit in the FAQ about parts of "Yesteryear" being considered canonical seem to have been copied directly from the Okuda works, which are not recognized as canonical by the site. This is an incongruity that makes me wary of trusting the validity of the site in general.

Though I got some of my facts wrong in my previous post, I am not incorrect in stating that Gaskill is not an individual with any kind of control over the production of Star Trek series and movies. His sole job is maintaining the website, and I'm reluctant to accept his word as authoritative. Especially since the whole issue of canonicity is one which fluctuates widely over time. In the 60s, the concept was essentially unknown; In the 70s, anything which Roddenberry approved was considered canonical; In the 80s, anything officially-licensed by Paramount was considered canonical; in the 90s, only live action series and films were considered canonical, plus (apparently) the novels in question and parts of one animated episode. Today, especially with the onscreen franchise heading into an extended hiatus, I doubt the issue will become more clear. But I wouldn't be surprised to see that once the animated DVDs come out, (they're on the way) they might suddenly become considered canonical again.

The rules seem to be rather arbitrary depending on who's "in power." It really makes things terribly confusing. I have my suspicions (and they seem to be borne out by the varying comments of people like Roddenberry, Ronald D. Moore, John Ordover, Richard Arnold, Gaskill, et. al.) that there *is* no definitive canon policy that everyone adheres to. Various people within the Viacom/Paramount hierarchy seem to have different things to say about it.

I can accept that Mosaic and Pathways were considered part of the Canon from the time of their writing to that of Jeri Taylor's departure from VGR, or at whatever point the writers stopped paying attention to them and began contradicitng them, with ease. But to look on them as still holding the same weight at this late date is awkward at best.

-MMoM

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The verteron array must be a subspace weapon of some sort. Unless there are more missing time shots involved, a light speed blast from Mars to the Moon would take at LEAST several minutes to traverse the gap.

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Well, verterons have indeed been associated with subspace phenomena in every previous mention, most prominently the Bajoran wormhole on DS9 and the Hekaran verteron mines from "Force of Nature" (TNG). Why subspace weapons are always *visible* is a mystery, though. But then again, why do we see the stars at warp? So the audience can have a frame of reference for what's going on!

But still, even if the array's fire only moved at lightspeed, it shouldn't have taken more than about 4 minutes, right? It takes 8 minutes for light from the Sun to reach Earth, (1AU) right? And the distance between the Earth and Mars is about 0.5 AUs, right? No?
[EDIT: Before y'all rip me to shreds, I realized my mistake in picturing the planets all in a little neat row like Trek always shows, this of course not at all being the way they really are.]

And by the way, verterium cortenide is not a naturally-occurring substance in Trek. It's a composite of polysilicate verterium and monocrystal cortenum. Whatever th'hell that means...

-MMoM

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
An attractive hero, a love interest, and some peril = Bond film homage?
 

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Or every episode Kirk was ever in ever?
 

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And, of course, there's the fact that (to my mind, as a result of the fractured staff) Voyager hardly ever maintained intra-series continuity, as many have complained about over the years. Thus, to point out that mid-to-late-Voyager might've contradicted something that came before doesn't strike me as proof of much more than the fact that Voyager was often inconsistent, which of course we knew.

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In the 60s, the concept was essentially unknown; In the 70s, anything which Roddenberry approved was considered canonical; In the 80s, anything officially-licensed by Paramount was considered canonical; in the 90s, only live action series and films were considered canonical, plus (apparently) the novels in question and parts of one animated episode. Today, especially with the onscreen franchise heading into an extended hiatus, I doubt the issue will become more clear.

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No worries. I can get a little trigger-happy given the venomous nature of the Vs. Debates (or even tangles with a couple of TrekBBS Trek tech regulars who act just as irrationally), so I hope I didn't seem impulsive or dismissive, either.

Group hug?
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
 
*hugs Guardian 2000*

*notices Psyliam and Sol System exchanging odd looks*

*quickly backs off*


As for quotes, according to this site, Berman said the following in Communicator #154:

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"That is something we have done for 18 years. It is done by different people. We had Richard Arnold dealing with those situations for years, and lately we have Manny Coto who is very aware of the history of Star Trek. We have people like Mike Okuda and Dave Rossi who keep an eye on those things, too. So, obviously, we have to do our best to be true to the canon.

The canon is a very odd thing. What we tend to do is stay true to the movies and the television series. A lot of the other information comes from novels and role-playing games and video games and fan speculation, and we would all go nuts if we tried to coordinate all that. Obviously, there are things that have always been contradictory, but we do our best."

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...which really isn't particularly revealing.

Star Trek: The Magazine did an entire article on "Canon Books" in their March 2002 edition, (Volume 2, Issue 11) that prompted a letter from a fan which was briefly addressed by the editors in the May 2002 (Vol. 3, Issue 01) edition. Unfortunately, I do not have a copy of the former, but I do the latter, so I scanned the relevent query and response.

It may still be possible to order back issues of the mag here, if you have any desire. The article, as I recall, covered the subject fairly extensively and probably had some quotes, though I can't remember any specific ones.

I have no direct quotes from Ordover, but I remember reading posts of his in the Trek Literature forum on the TrekBBS regarding this topic.

-MMoM
 

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Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
 
* Hugs Mighty Monkey of Mim *
* Sticks tongue out at Sol System and Liam *
* Mighty Monkey of Mim files for restraining order against Siegfried *
* Siegfried cries *

Sadly, I missed bits and pieces of this episode when it came on due to a huge frikkin' tree roach that was flying around. I never did find the bastard after it dove into my bedding and (presumably) split the scene.

I may have missed this part, but did Archer give permission for Mayweather's ex-girlfriend to come aboard the ship and snoop around with an escort? I mean, she showed up at Mayweather's quarters unattended. And after that, Mayweather seems to take her on a tour of the ship and let's her get up and personal with the shuttlepod while recording. I've seem a lot of documentaries on Naval craft and the like, and they don't really show the equipment or consoles that upclose.

The Nathan Samuels character reminds me a bit of West Virginian Senator Robert Byrd. In his youth, he was a member of the KKK for a short while. I only saw one scene with him (when Archer confronts him with his past), but Samuels seemed really seedy. Is he still involved with Terra Prime, perhaps?

The mining station seemed to take control of the verteron array a little too easily. It extends a clamp and grabs it. Little orange electrical arcs shoot around the contact point, and the soldier claims to have full control of the array.

I saw one scene with Paxton talking to this guy in a suit about something (real specific, I know, but the roach had reappeared) followed by the head soldier coming in to suck up to Paxton. Later, we see the miners clearing away an cave in that appears to have killed that aide. Can something fill me in on what was going on with him?

One would think that Trip and T'Pol would have tried to be a bit more inconspicuous when they infiltrated the mining operation. They were arguing aloud about being lost with all these miners around them. The should just worn big targets on their shirts. Then again, none of the miners seemed to care there were strangers who obviously did not belong in the mines roaming freely amongst them.
 

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Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim:
*hugs Guardian 2000*

*notices Psyliam and Sol System exchanging odd looks*

*quickly backs off*

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As for quotes, according to this site, Berman said the following in Communicator #154

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Star Trek: The Magazine did an entire article on "Canon Books" in their March 2002 edition, (Volume 2, Issue 11) that prompted a letter from a fan which was briefly addressed by the editors in the May 2002 (Vol. 3, Issue 01) edition. Unfortunately, I do not have a copy of the former, but I do the latter, so I scanned the relevent query and response.

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It may still be possible to order back issues of the mag here, if you have any desire. The article, as I recall, covered the subject fairly extensively and probably had some quotes, though I can't remember any specific ones.

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I have no direct quotes from Ordover, but I remember reading posts of his in the Trek Literature forum on the TrekBBS regarding this topic.

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