Ya Ya. Probly been asked a million times already but I'm just curious as to what everyones favorite Star Trek Ship is. I'll probably have little or no idea what ur talkin about tho since i'm more into Star Wars. But My Favorite is the Akira class. Cuz it looks cool.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
As long as people don't go out of their way to post obscure non-mainstream ships just to be "cool" and "different" and "stupid".
If it makes you feel better though - Constitution refit.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
YOU, SIR, ARE A DUPLICITOUS POSTER, AND A FRIGGING STAND-UP COMEDIAN, TO BOOT!
At least you didn't call it the Enterprise class...
Personally, I prefer the original Constitution from TOS. I'm also partial to the Galaxy. I'm not exceedingly thrilled with much that came afterward.
Shouldn't this be in Starships & Technology?
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
I also like the Yamato refit from SFC and Klingon academy. It just looks badass.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
Niagara or New Orleans classes, myself...
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
Constitution refit, no doubts about it. Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
I thought about putting this thread in S&T, AFTER I posted it... If the Moderator wants to put it there then that's up to him I suppose.
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
Sovereign or Galaxy/Triplane from All Good Things.
Posted by Wee Bairns (Member # 1324) on :
Connie refit, though I like the original as well.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
OK I haven't read any replies but
1. Constitution Refit - simply beautiful and realistic.
2. Galaxy Class - it looked fantabulous all gussied up in Generations.
3. Defiant - just so different yet still Starfleet
4. Also: Vorcha, Nebula, D'Deridex (Romulan Warbird) and Olympic/Hope/Pasteur
Posted by OnToMars (Member # 621) on :
To serve on in my fantasy of fantasies: Galaxy.
To look at: Excelsior (non E-B refit)
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Not to be an ass, but I rather like the obscure ships (having built maodels of them), and I dig the Elkins. Waaaay cooler than the Yeager or standard Intrepid (which I dislike due to it's amputee nacelles).
For mainstream I really live the Sabre class- not much larger than a Defiant lengthwise but looking more "starfleet" with it's twin nacelles. I really wish we'd have seen more of that class- they made a nice enough CGI of it for SOA nad others, but showed it less than the Yeager...what were they thinking?
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
What makes the Sabre mainstream and not obscure?
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
It was on the big screen...
Excelsior then the Oberth...
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Excelsior (original model) and Defiant.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by HerbShrump: What makes the Sabre mainstream and not obscure?
Well, we've never really seen the Elkins (possibly it's a blob in the background of one episode), so almost anything is more mainstream. The Sabre in a couple of DS9 episodes on flyby, First Contact, the ST Encyclopedia, the DS9TM and almost every online size comparison chart.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Enterprise class Enterprise class Enterprise class Enterprise class Enterprise class Enterprise class Enterprise class Enterprise class
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
So...that would be the NX-01? Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
No, thats the NX class Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Sure- like the TOS Enterprise is the "NCC" class.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Because the TOS Enterprise was built by the earth starfleet before the Federation was founded. Mmmhmm.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Wait till the next series- it could happen.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Saying "Enterprise-class" doesn't make it any more true.
The Excelsior-class is interesting. When I first saw it (which was after I started watching TNG), I thought it looked ridiculous. Tiny saucer section, stupid black tubing-like neck. But it grows on you, especially once you readjust your thinking from "small saucer" to "long nacelles" (something which is true in reverse for the Galaxy-class).
And I also like the refit job done for Generations, too.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Hmm....do you prefer the "NX" or "NCC" version Excelsior?
Most people I know (myself included) like the "NX" better.
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
The Galaxy class, especially the way it was shown in Generations, tops my list. Nebula (with triangular pod) is a close second.
And for some reason, the Challenger class is very high on my list. I just like the way the vertical nacelles look.
B.J.
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
Galaxy class: for combining beauty and comfort with huge volume and superior equipment.
Runner-up: Constitution class: for being much the same in 23rd century terms
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
Chalk up another vote for the Excelsior-class. As old of a design it is, it still has a sleek, fast, futuristic look to it. Very streamlined.
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Prometheus Class here... the Sternbach edition.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Most people I know (myself included) like the "NX" better.
I can't say I'm really bothered. I think the crystal doowikies on top looked a bit better on the NCC, but it's such a small difference that I can't see too many people caring. Produce these "most people you know".
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
I never liked the way the show "Enterprise" looked. I mean, the ship looks way more advanced than the Tos enterprise even tho it came out earlier. Why'd they go from flat panel displays to huge clunking moniters? (i know it was cuz they didn't have FPD's in the 60's. but still. and the klingons look like they do in TNG, yet they look like humans in TOS. what the hell? did the Klingons get transumated or something, then changed back and transutated again or what!
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam:
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Most people I know (myself included) like the "NX" better.
I can't say I'm really bothered. I think the crystal doowikies on top looked a bit better on the NCC, but it's such a small difference that I can't see too many people caring. Produce these "most people you know".
Modelers, mostly- we notice all the small diffrences. The NX version has a correctly scaled bridge (a big silver teardrop shape), for example, while the NCC's bridge is a tiny pea- meaning that Sulu and company are snug in the B-Deck and that Excelsior has starfleet's first recessed bridge design. There's also a dome towards the rear of the ship that I greatly prefer to the odd box structure there on the STVI version.
Bernd has (as always)a big article on te diffrences and potential scaling issues.
Both NX, NCC and Refit versions are in service in TNG (the Hood, Lakota and all the ships destroyed on DS9 being examples).
Posted by OnToMars (Member # 621) on :
Hi, welcome to four and a half years ago.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Yeah....but times and attitudes change, and there have been several new designs since then so...
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
How could I forget the Ambassador Class!?! Like that too.
Posted by Saltah'na (Member # 33) on :
Nebula, Akira, Excelsior (Ent B edition, just for the looks).
This however, needs to go to Starships.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"and the klingons look like they do in TNG, yet they look like humans in TOS. what the hell? did the Klingons get transumated or something, then changed back and transutated again or what!"
Guess you should have watched the fourth season.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Saltah'na: This however, needs to go to Starships.
I so called that one.
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
4th season of what? Enterprise or The original? I Don't watch either show all that often. I like TNG and DS9 better.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
He means Enterprise.
I also prefer TNG/DS9, but Enterprise was pretty darn good in it's last two seasons.
Better than TNG's last season anyway.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I'm sure you mean 1st season.
Apart from Liasons (I guess) TNG7 wasn't bad.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
From the POV of favorite ships, though, it didn't give us anything new. Unless you for some perverse reason fancy the Pasteur.
Speaking of perversity, I'm rather fond of the Klingon freighter modified from the Groumall model. It's got the screen presence of an 18-wheeler; now imagine a Klingon behind the wheel and the impact factor goes up tenfold...
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Um, hello? Dark Page? Force of Nature? Sub Rosa?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"4th season of what? Enterprise or The original?"
The one of those that had a fourth season.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Topher: Um, hello? Dark Page? Force of Nature? Sub Rosa?
Exactly. Add "Descent Pt 2", "Genesis", "Masks", "Iterface", "Phantasms" and "Liaisons" and you get a hit parade of TNG's worst episodes ever.
Though it gave us Parallels, The Pegasus, Preemptive Strike and All Good Things, it was still a pretty disapointing season- as though it had just run out of good ideas.
I still say that anything with Alexander or Luwaxana is the death of any TNG episode they're in.
[ November 19, 2005, 05:37 PM: Message edited by: Jason Abbadon ]
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
Or any episode that featured Wesley Crusher.
Posted by Pwesty (Member # 1035) on :
For me my all time favorite Starship will all ways be the USS Reliant. A very nice and cool design and I will all ways love that cool roll bar. You just can�t get any better than an Avenger/Miranda-class Starship. Just my two cents
Posted by Zefram (Member # 1568) on :
I've always been a big fan of the Sovereign class Enterprise: sleek, compact, and with warp nacelles that look big enough to propel the ship. To me, unlike the Sovereign, Constitution, or Excelsior class ships, the Galaxy class nacelles just seemed too small compared to the bulk of the ship.
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
I also like the Qud class BOP, it looks viscious. Like it'll tear your heart out and stomp on it
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Got a pic?
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Hey... I do fancy the Pasteur. It was just too bloody cool to see a brand new ship to quell our tears that night.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I dig the Olympic as well- it's better with a few mods though. (new nacelles, a new lower sensor and two additional shuttlebays- plus better paint scheme- the Pastur's brown and grey is vile)
No one likes the Intrepid best? I am shocked. Posted by Zefram (Member # 1568) on :
I actually do like the Intrepid, although I would have liked to see bigger nacelles on it. As it was it just seemed a little unbalanced.
Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
Like most here, thus the perfect ship for us.....
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I once saw an animation of the ship with it's nacelles flapping and making a duck call. Funny as hell.
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
That's the only decent pic of the Qud class, it's basicaly a larger bird of prey with slightly different shape wings. It's in the Starfleet Command games, so anyone who's played it know what it is.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Nacelles instead of disruptors on the wingtips?
So...those things on it's "shoulders" are breadbaskets then, or does it have four nacelles, one torp launcher and no disruptors at all?
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
no those are disruptors on the winds, they just look like nacelles in the pic for some odd reason, also right under the shoulders are another pair of disruptors for 4 in total, and you cant see the torp launcher from this angle but it's in the same place as usual. and the warp engines are in the usual location too.
Posted by Irishman (Member # 1188) on :
For my favorite, I've got to go with the United Earth Star Fleet Intrepid from "Enterprise". It has so much class, and looks so much more like a Connie predecessor than does the NX, and so much promise.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I'd love that design if only the nacelles connected to the primary hull- thay're pretty frail the way they are (as shown in Twilight) and a nightmare to build a physical model from (reminds me to dig up the one I started). Those downward slanted wings bug me too- that thing definitely is not atmospheric-capable- but it's a nice (if useless) design element.
Posted by Irishman (Member # 1188) on :
Actually, Jason, if you look at the Eden FX orthos that Rob Bonchune released, you'll see in the rear view that the nacelles are connected to the primary hull. Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
At the saucer? I have (at home) the great rendering you did of the ship, and it's not there.
Speaking of which, when you going to make some more bueatiful schematics for us?
I have lots of unique designs if you need a subject. Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Huh. Apparently, he's right. Look carefully at where the nacelles are lying on top of the saucer. There are little connectors.
Warning, though : that's a big image.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
It's official then- that ship is cool as heck.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Why, oh why, must all of these detailed spaceship images be cursed with "realistic" lighting?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
It looks like it's hull is a teflon frying-pan...that's realistic?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I'm not sure what that has to do with how it is lit; the point is that they always put in a single light source in these and half the ship is thus hidden in complete shadow. These aren't action shots, computer model makers. We want to take in all the details, and a necessary first step is you actually showing them. Why even bother doing plan views otherwise?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I see.
Well, we have Irishman's specs (somehere anyway) and GIslo's website (assuming it's up already) has great line art schematics too...
The thing about the CGI is that it's not like a conventional rendering- wherein line art is "filled in", but more like a painting- more trouble than it's worth for them to give you a 2-D unshaded image (though the wireframe might serve to some extent).
I say we enslave Masao, Reverend, Irishman, Lobo and...er....some hot chicks, and make them do art for our sakes all day.
That's my plan- lets get some guns, duct tape and steal a car and make it happen!
Posted by Irishman (Member # 1188) on :
Hmm...great plan, Jason! Can I pick the hot chicks?
Posted by Irishman (Member # 1188) on :
Oh, and Jason, about new artwork. I am having issues with not having enough posts on Flare to post my artwork directly. And Photobucket limits my file size and I can't afford to pay for the pro version.
I have a lot of artwork, but need far more posts on Flare to be able to post them.
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
Tim COULD loan you a few thousand...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
(Liam's cue to say "Pounds!" Haw! Haw!)
Hmmm....Iraisman, have you tried picturetrail for your oever-run of images? You get a whole lotta posting space before they want you to pay.....with your immortal soul
Posted by tricky (Member # 1402) on :
Personally I don't believe I have an immortal soul so: Bargain! As I've got broadband, I tend to host images on my home web server, however I do need to add a few terabytes to the NAS cluster.
Getting back to the plot, my favorite will always be the Connie refit, although I would like to have seen more of the Cheynne class.
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
Taking a little turn from the favorite ship idea. What's everybody's LEAST feavorite ship in star trek? for whatever reasons, ugly, weak, just plain retarded...
Mine is the Excalibur SCS that one that kinda looks like a Soveriegn mixed with a pregnant whale with a pair of dildo's for warp nacelles. ugly.
Posted by WizArtist II (Member # 1425) on :
sabre class
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
quote:Originally posted by Da_bang80: Taking a little turn from the favorite ship idea. What's everybody's LEAST feavorite ship in star trek? for whatever reasons, ugly, weak, just plain retarded...
Mine is the Excalibur SCS that one that kinda looks like a Soveriegn mixed with a pregnant whale with a pair of dildo's for warp nacelles. ugly.
Well, if you're going to bring fan ships into this, I'm sure there is something a hell of a lot worse out there, this for example.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Most of the fan stuff at starshipschematics.net is far worse. Obvious, mis-scaled kitbashes of...everything.
Posted by The Ginger Beacon (Member # 1585) on :
My least favorite once i thought about it was the oberth - the way the secondary hull thing doesn't realy work, and of course the fact that it's got more scaling issues than the defiant.
That aside, it looks realy good as a smaller contempory of the connie (except for the fact it's looks newer than the E-nil with a much lower registry).
Mind you, the Yeager kit bash was one hell of a munter. A ship for radio IMHO.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
We don't know that the Oberth is newer than the E-nil. It looks newer, but so does the NXerprise. Maybe the Oberth had an Andorian designer on the team.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
There's nothing stopping it from ALSO being a refit. Maybe one of the first to be refitted paving the way for the refitting of the Miranda's and the remaining Connies.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Ug. I hate the notion that the Miranda or Oberth would be refits- it's like saying that starfleet ran out of ideas post TOS and just rebuilt all their old ships instead of adding new designs...
Bad enough the Connie Refit is so implausible- what's left of the original ship? A lone bolt in the center of the ship with a dedication plaque under it, probably.
For least-favorite, I'll go with the Raven. It's supposed to be at least 20 years before TNG, but looks like a giant, more advanced Runabout- that can be run wit a crew of two! Really blah design too.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
More advanced?
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
...Also remember that a J class freighter which in the early 22nd century took an entire clan to run was operated by a single man in TOS. Apparently, rigging a starship for two trainees and a Monkee ain't that much of an engineering feat after all.
My favorite so far: tie between Constellation and Steamrunner. Yeah, I like Industrial Ugly. Which is I've never warmed to the streamlined final version of the Intrepid class. Sternbach's penultimate design should have been kept...
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: Hey... I do fancy the Pasteur. It was just too bloody cool to see a brand new ship to quell our tears that night.
I have no idea what language that was in.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I call it Faux English.
Least favorite would have to be whichever one of the DS9 kitbashes used part of an f-14 tomcat model in its design. I liked the Excelsior variant whose name escapes me at the moment. And I even like the Yeager Class if I can pretend the part that's a Maquis Raider hull actually looks a little different so as to work with the rest of the ship.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
There were only three Excelsior based kitbashes. One is the three nacelled double saucer sans secondary hull which no one can tell which side is up and is unnamed. Another is the Centaur, and the last one are the Curry/Raging Queen variants.
The Intrepid/Voyager based bashes were the Elkins and the Yeager.
The last one is a Constitution/E-nil refit bash that was also unnamed.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Curry = Me liking Centaur = Me liking Medusa (three nacelled Excelsior thing) = Me not liking Elkins = Me really not liking Yeager = Me liking through beer goggles
I can't remember the refried Connie bash.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
The "refried Connie bash" was just the saucer, neck, short nacelle pylons, and upside down nacelles that were about level to the torpedo launchers.
Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :
The Defiant-class has always been my favorite.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Aban Rune: I call it Faux English.
Least favorite would have to be whichever one of the DS9 kitbashes used part of an f-14 tomcat model in its design.
You're thinking of the bueatiful, bueatiful USS Elkins.
Sooo much nicer than the Yeager (which looks like two ships crashed into each other).
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
The Centaur is a pretty nice ship, really.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Ah, but is it "bueatiful"?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
It's Fantabulous!
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
Unless you're a crazy bastard like me and insist upon scaleing it based on the Miranda components. Then its just crazy, like me.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Me, I like it only when scaled that way.
(Limiting the scale of damage is always a good idea, right?)
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
You shoud both be beaten with an oar.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
I only do it to be contrary. The "shuttlebay" could totally be a deflector.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
NO. It could not. No more than the Connie's is a big wok.
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
An early draft of "The Stir Fry Incident" made it clear that ending the series after only three seasons may have been a blessing in disguise. Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Now we know what Sulu was doing there.... "Inter-racial crew" my ass.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
"Ah-sooo... have some Deflector-Style Kung Pow, honorable Captain Kirk-San."
"As you were, Mister. And bring me some Saki with that next time. I'm dry as dirt here."
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