I've gotten the calendar shipped from Amazon. Here is what we have:
Cover: Klingon BoP firing on E-D. Disrupter fire on the port nacelle. A representation of the battle over Veridian III
January: E-D and the Farpoint "jellyfish" aliens. A representation of the scene from "Encounter at Farpoint" where the aliens leave the planet.
February: USAF fighter running after the E-nil and desintegrating. Possible representation of "Tomorrow is Yesterday"
March: E-D facing off several Romulan Warbirds in the Neutral Zone
April: E-D leaving a drydock? with Voyager's Aeroshuttle following.
May: The now famous image of Columbia NX-02 crash-landed in a desert. In the scene are two runabouts (both clearly identified as Rio Grande), two speedboat shuttles (type 12), an Argo dune buggy/ATV (not necessarily from the Argo), and two modified type 6 shuttles (one from Voyager, another from a possible medical ship with a registry NCC-13370). The type 6 shuttles may actually be of another type.
June: E-nil encounters what I describe as giant space bacteria or virus.
Center: Battle of Wolf 359. We have a damaged Oberth class ship (possible Bonestall), a Galaxy class ship, three Excelsior class ships, a Nebula class ship (possibly Bellerophon), A Miranda class ship with rollbar so it's not Saratoga, and a refit Constitution class ship... that is actually firing phasers.
July: E-D and a new Starfleet ship. The new ship is probably best described as arrow-shaped with the bridge at the direct fore-front or arrow-tip, if you wish. The nacelles connect at end of the oblique sides of the arrow.
August: The E-nil if she had been given the NX hull treatment.
September: Deck 16 of the E-D's saucer as we see the captain's yacht with Picard on board approach and dock.
October: E-D as she's about to warp away from the approaching stellar shock wave and exploding Amargosa Observatory. Representation of the scene from "Generations"
November: "Yesterday's Enterprise" E-D facing off against a Klingon K'Vort class BoP as the E-C is getting away and entering the temporal rift to get back to Narendra III and her own time.
December: E-D, an Intrepid class ship, and a Defiant class ship observing a yellow star in very close range.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
That Wolf image soinds intresting...though I swear to all assembled that I'll take out that FUCKING CONNIE REFIT and replace it with something more fitting.
I so swear it!
March sounds intresting.
I'll go pick one up tomorrow if there's time before work...maybe I'll actually scan the damn thing and send it to Starship Freak this year (I procrastinated badly with last years: it's still in my work locker waiting to be scanned!).
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I'm looking forward to seeing whatever this July ship is. Sounds like they are overall giving us new material and not just stuff re-hashed from existing models. We have new ships, damaged textures, and of course the glaring errors we love so much.
The book with "budgetary problems" that Clark is describing is the much-lamented Unseen Frontier book that Mojo was working on with help from myself and others. Also, I've a vague recollection of the E-nil encountering a space whatsit like that in TAS, no?
Mark
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
The "giant space bacteria" in that picture of the Connie is the ancient insectoid ship from the debut episode of the animated series, "Beyond the Farthest Star."
-MMoM
[ October 04, 2006, 11:01 PM: Message edited by: The Mighty Monkey of Mim ]
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Well, I never saw any episode from TAS, so I didn't know about that insectoid ship. I don't mind having a refit Connie at Wolf 359... after all we did see the wreckage of one. I'd just rather not have a Galaxy there. At that point in time, the only reason a Galaxy would be there is if she was newly commissioned and was on her very early missions or newly launched on trial runs. It's already bad the Yamato was alost so early on, I'd rather not have another Galaxy lost so quickly. And these artists sure like using the E-D cgi model. It's used in most of the images.
Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
Hmm, so that's what happens to Columbia... at least the producers did say they weren't going to blow her up on screen.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
But Jason -- there was a Connie-refit at Wolf359.
--Jonah
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
In the Columbia image, the Rio Grande that's on the right also has the Shenandoah's registry on the front.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
1337. . . 0? Pur-lease.
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Would be nice to see the scans Jason!
Posted by MattC (Member # 1391) on :
Hope you liked Novembers image (the Enterprise D is by Dave Clark, and the Ent-C is by me and my compadre Simon Coles) with the image done by our good friend Alain Rivard.
As for the Wolf 359 image...it's shite to be honest. Adam did a really crap job on it.
M.
Posted by MattC (Member # 1391) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dat: And these artists sure like using the E-D cgi model. It's used in most of the images.
There are 3 different models there. One done for the show way back when, one done by Gabe Koerner for the end of Enterprise and another million poly monster by David Clark.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Err sorry - but I'm going to have to comment on that E-D model. No offense Matt but the Armagosa picture - even at that little size is, well crap.
It's very fake looking. The lighting looks flat - like it's interacting with a plastic hull. The escape hatches are dull looking. The windows look fake at the front (the typical "oh all light must be blinding white light with no other tones or hues - because inside that window is someone talking to a wormhole alien") Thank god I got whats-his-face out of that idea - can't remember his name - he did that cool Daedelus and a lot of bridge renderings. He stopped doing the 'light = empty white' and it looked more realistic.
The shock wave in Generations had more substance (I watched it the otherday) and the observatory itself looks fake next to the shockwave and the ship.
Do something about that blocky Enterprise-D PLEASE!
The Columbia looks nice - didnt' someone comment on something about the columbia in another thread - now I realise what you are talking about.
The TAS pic... looks like space-sperm! It'll be cool to see another TAS 'scene' rendered realistically (or at least semi-realistically) Posted by MattC (Member # 1391) on :
I don't have to do anything about it. I have the million poly one.
i.e. the one you see in Novembers image.
M
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Peregrinus: But Jason -- there was a Connie-refit at Wolf359.
--Jonah
No, just a secondary hull that looked the part. Trek re-uses enough of it's model parts in other designs that I feel it culd be part of something else- I just dont buy that a Connie refit is still in service when ships like Enterprise were obsolete waaaaay back in STIII (almost years prior to the battle).
So I'll either use a image from some other SOTL calander or insert a model (though I doubt I'd get the lighting right doing that).
Or maybe I'll be an ass and have a space-suited figure firing a hand pahser!
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Will all this be included in the Ships of the Line book, because if so I'll buy that rather than this.
Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
^ Bear in mind, though, that the book would have smaller pics.
Unfortunately I can't see any of them since I get redirected when I go to TBBS(think it's a virus or something), but they all sound very interesting.
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Thank god I got whats-his-face out of that idea - can't remember his name - he did that cool Daedelus and a lot of bridge renderings. He stopped doing the 'light = empty white' and it looked more realistic.
Sean Robertson.
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
quote:Originally posted by Johnny: ^ Bear in mind, though, that the book would have smaller pics.
You sure? I haven't been able to find a listing of the size anywhere.
Oh, and looky! Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:
quote:Originally posted by Peregrinus: But Jason -- there was a Connie-refit at Wolf359.
No, just a secondary hull that looked the part.
And the trashed primary hull from TSFS.
They may have hauled it out of the fleet museum. It may have been a training vessel. But it was there.
--Jonah
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Yup, that's the one that appears in the calendar. And remember, it's not cgi. It's a drawing... and a very good one. And I'm talking about Andrew Probert's contribution.
Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
quote:Originally posted by B.J.:
quote:Originally posted by Johnny: ^ Bear in mind, though, that the book would have smaller pics.
You sure? I haven't been able to find a listing of the size anywhere.
Well, I was only guessing. I suppose the book could be the size of the calendars, but if it was it'd probably suffer from spineseamitis, when you can't see the centre of the pic properly.
Probert's painting is fantastic. Looks like Captain Picard's got the whole weekend planned, cup of Earl Grey in hand and Deanna and Beverley in the back.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
quote:Originally posted by Johnny:
quote:Originally posted by B.J.:
quote:Originally posted by Johnny: ^ Bear in mind, though, that the book would have smaller pics.
You sure? I haven't been able to find a listing of the size anywhere.
Well, I was only guessing. I suppose the book could be the size of the calendars, but if it was it'd probably suffer from spineseamitis, when you can't see the centre of the pic properly.
Probert's painting is fantastic. Looks like Captain Picard's got the whole weekend planned, cup of Earl Grey in hand and Deanna and Beverley in the back.
Well the pics in the calendars also suffer from spineseamitis, so it's no big deal.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
I disagree. The binding on the book will make seeing two-page spreads MUCH harder than on the calendars.
Mark
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
I got the impression that the pictures would appear on single pages of the book. The picture of the cover does make it look rather wide.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by MattC: I don't have to do anything about it. I have the million poly one.
i.e. the one you see in Novembers image.
M
Oh good! I haven't seen that pic yet. They release the calendars in Australia just before Christmas. I'm glad that that's not the 'million poly' version!
Andrew
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Johnny:
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Thank god I got whats-his-face out of that idea - can't remember his name - he did that cool Daedelus and a lot of bridge renderings. He stopped doing the 'light = empty white' and it looked more realistic.
Sean Robertson.
Yes! Where is good ole SeanR? Where is RW? Where is ABAN RUNE!?!
Our artistes have deserted us!
His Daedelus in Spacedock is something to behold. It's one of the most realistic CGI images I've seen. His bridges look like you could reach out and touch them.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I've been wondering what it looks like for years - that side on view people use in the size-diagrams of ships never did it justice and any internal detail was forgotten on the E-D Blueprints.
I'd buy a book of Proberts pictures of all the unseen areas of the E-D.
That Captain's Yacht is much better than that crap thing from Insurrection.
That actually looks like Season 1 Picard! (OK I just scrolled down - up close it doesn't - but from a distance it does!!)
What is that odd blue patter outside the ship?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
The blue thing is the Great Snake of the Galaxy. It's the natural predator of the Great Bird.
Anyway, this is certainly one of Probert's better paintings. His sketches have always been pretty liberal with how the people look and are clothed. Methinks he doesn't really like the TNG era uniforms, and has always been modifying them his own way...
Mark
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I went looking for it today- neither BOrders nor Barnes & Noble had it. I saw the new Trek magazine though- it sucked.
Toyfare had pics of a new line of TNG figures ( not made by art Asylum for some reason) for what market I cant comprehend, and they also had an ad for the AA TOS Enterprise toy which looks quite nice and I'd have literally killed for one as a kid.
When the hell's the SOTL book coming out? WHEN, I ASK!?!
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
The book is due for November.
Posted by tricky (Member # 1402) on :
still not available in the UK...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dat: The book is due for November.
November of 2000. Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
November 7, specifically. Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Neato- you guys think it'll really get released this time?
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
So, they want me to buy the calendars again? I'm gonna have to see this thing firsthand before I decide it's worth any money for me...
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Hm. Looks to be in widescreen format, so no need for your "spineseamitis." Also...184 pages. Now...how long have they been doing CGI for the calendars? I took off about 12 pages from that numer & then divided by 12 to get 14 & a third. Even if they put in every image every used in every calendar, I KNOW they haven't been producing SOTL since 1992.
Also, my brian just decided a SOTL show series would be a good idea, even though it's highly improbable & would be laughed out of Viacom's office.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Not even at Trek's height.
...now a quarterly magazine with fan submissions bolstering the pro art....I could see that doing well.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Looks to me like that new Starfleet ship is similar in design to the Enterprise-J...
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
I see.
So either the ship is from the future & come back in time for some reason, that Galaxy is perhaps 100 years old, or (more likely) the imagers are on crack.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Strangely enough it looks like a Stingray...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Maybe it just impaled the USS Irwin.
I can imagine the caption: "Future Sabre collides with aincent Galaxy class".
"On crack" is hardly adequate to describe the senselessness.
Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
The Amargosa image does look rubbish. :| I'm surprised they used that as the main one on the back cover. The others all look way better. I know everyone's saying the Wolf 359 one isn't very good, but at least in this tiny version it looks pretty interesting. I even like the Encounter at Farpoint pic, and I can't stand that episode or those ships/creatures.
The new ship definitely looks to be from the same period as the Ent-J, and I quite like it. It's obviously not as huge as the Ent-J, and from the pic it doesn't look stupidly flat.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Yeah it looks nice, but for a 26th century starship it looks to advanced compared to the 29th century Wells. Also, I checked out Memory alpha and in the Enterprise-J entry it states that Ships of the Line calls the Ent-J a "Celestial class" starship.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Really? I could have sworn that entry said "Flying Pancake" class.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Well, Ships of the Line is non-canon Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dukhat: Really? I could have sworn that entry said "Flying Pancake" class.
Thing class (as in John Carpenter's).
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
(Not as in Volkswagen's?)
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Hmmmm I should post a scan of a drawing of a starship I drew years ago... I found it while cleaning out stuff not long ago. I thought it looked cool so I kept it. It looks like the 'new' vessel there.
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Ok, I bought the damn thing, but my scanner and my photoshopping skills are not good. Neither is the calender, shoddy work with a few exceptions. However, I would like to see scans of the hybrid NCC 1701, the "Manta ray" and the TAS ship. Anyone? Please...
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
So I've just purchased the Ships of the Line for 2007.
One word sums up this year's effort:
CRAP!
Truely crap.
The only saving graces - the cover (and that's a model) and Andrew Probert's fantastic pic.
The rest is just uninspired boring miss-mashes of ships and crap.
The worst pic would have to go to the destruction of the Solar Observatory from Generations - that E-D model is SO bad. The edge of the saucer is not rounded. There is no 10-forward windows the hatches look like they were drawn in (no offense) powerpoint.
The forward/saucer deflectors have been turned into windows as well. The model for the solar observatory is simplistic and crap.
This whole thing is crap - why didn't I wait until the post christmas saleS?? Oh that's right I've been collecting all of them - can't stop now.
Posted by seanr (Member # 277) on :
quote:Originally posted by Johnny:
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Thank god I got whats-his-face out of that idea - can't remember his name - he did that cool Daedelus and a lot of bridge renderings. He stopped doing the 'light = empty white' and it looked more realistic.
Sean Robertson.
My ears are burning! Posted by MattC (Member # 1391) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: So I've just purchased the Ships of the Line for 2007.
One word sums up this year's effort:
CRAP!
Truely crap.
The only saving graces - the cover (and that's a model) and Andrew Probert's fantastic pic.
The rest is just uninspired boring miss-mashes of ships and crap.
The worst pic would have to go to the destruction of the Solar Observatory from Generations - that E-D model is SO bad. The edge of the saucer is not rounded. There is no 10-forward windows the hatches look like they were drawn in (no offense) powerpoint.
The forward/saucer deflectors have been turned into windows as well. The model for the solar observatory is simplistic and crap.
This whole thing is crap - why didn't I wait until the post christmas saleS?? Oh that's right I've been collecting all of them - can't stop now.
That Ent-D model is truly rubbish, I dunno why it still gets used. Gabe's one is a lot better as is Dave's (the 1 million poly beast). Still I was pleased at the way the C turned out.
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