Ok, I´m a starship fan, and I´ve followed the analysis of various starship-scenes you guys have done here such as the Wolf 359 battle wreckage-scene, the Qualor II surplus depot ships and the Abbadon´s repository of lost treasures-ships, all of which had many obscure ships. But I´ve yet to see an analysis of the Utopia Planitia Yard-scene in "Relativity". Are all the ships really accounted for? Do we know for sure which ship-classes are in the various drydocks?
I´d like to see some large screencaps, say 1500x or so if anyone here can provide them. I´ve looked everywhere, trekcore obviously, but found nothing so large that also have all the ships. Most sites have perhaps one or two small caps, say 768x, I´d like many more pics and large as well for all the detail.
Can anyone please help? (ps -- double post over at TrekBBS as well, you never know..)
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
trekcore.com
Posted by Johnny (Member # 878) on :
There was an almost identical image as the establishing shot of the yards in one of the SotL calendars. As far as I remember, the classes were the usual suspects and pretty much all of them were identifiable. It's got to be online somewhere.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
It was the first SOTL calander- the centerfold. Too bad it shows the Enterprise D alongside the Akira and oversized, low-res Steamrunners and Sabres in the background. Pretty though.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
1500x? As in 1500 pixels by some other number of pixels? I don't think Trek was ever broadcast at that resolution...
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Ok, as I said in my post Mars need women, I've been to Trekcore, the site only has a few images, small at that, so that´s no option.
The calender image I have, in the form of a very poor scan, and as you say, the usual suspects in that view.
As for 1500x, yes, I meant 1500 pixels by some other number of pixels but I didn't suggest that it was broadcast at that resolution. 1500x was a suggestion. When you cap from dvd's you can choose size you see. I usually go for large caps, better for the small details.
And as for the usual suspects, there are several ships in the background that I have been unable to identify with the pics I found online, the pics are simply too small, which is the reason for my appeal for help.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Standard broadcast definition is 640x480. Beyond that, the size of the image is irrelevant. The pictures at TrekCore seem to be 690 by 530 or thereabouts. So don't turn your nose up at them because they're "small" for your uses... they're exactly the size that you want! You can blow it up to 10,000 pixels yourself for all it matters.
Hell, back in my day, we had screencaps that were half the size, twice as grainy, and we loved it! Anyone remember Pedro's Shiporama?
*cue the Four Yorkshiremen again*
Posted by Vanguard (Member # 1780) on :
I was going to say, HD is only 1080i (horizontally), so going up to 1500 or more won't really help you, since you'll just get dithering and artificing as you go up. You definately won't get a lot more clarity...
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Back in my day, I capped from videotapes and posted on my site..
Ok, I have previously tried "blowing" up trekcore shots in photoshop, but get poor results. But fine, I get the message from all you guys, I should just shut up about "large" pics and settle for 640x480. That´s fine, but my original question wasn't really designed to get a lesson in imaging, but thanks!
Ok, so can anyone contribute actual pics?
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Sorry I guess I didn't read your first post clearly. Have you also tried ditl.org? There's also the neutralzone.de/database/. They might have some larger pictures for you.
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
It´s ok, Mars, and thanks, but I´ve been there as well.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan: Standard broadcast definition is 640x480. Beyond that, the size of the image is irrelevant. The pictures at TrekCore seem to be 690 by 530 or thereabouts. So don't turn your nose up at them because they're "small" for your uses... they're exactly the size that you want! You can blow it up to 10,000 pixels yourself for all it matters.
Hell, back in my day, we had screencaps that were half the size, twice as grainy, and we loved it! Anyone remember Pedro's Shiporama?
*cue the Four Yorkshiremen again*
Ah you were lucky...we used to watch our screencaps on the back of a rolled up corpse in a ceptic tank after working 72 hours a day in't mill, week in, week out and paid t' millman three shillings a day for t' privilage of working there after getting up at ten o'clock, thirty minutes before we went to bed and our old dad would cut us in half with a bread knife....
Now that we have that out of our system...I remember pedro. When is he ever going to get around to uploading the modeller's gallery I wonder?
I know it's not much good for analysis, by Mojo posted a pretty alternate angle of Utopia planitia on his blog a while back.
Posted by Mars Needs Women (Member # 1505) on :
Well then I guess you'll just have to settle for fuzzy screencaps. Though like the others say, there really isn't anything new in those shots aside from those mushroom shaped space stations.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"I was going to say, HD is only 1080i (horizontally)..."
Vertically. It's 1080 horizontal lines, so 1080 is the vertical height of the image.
Posted by Daniel Butler (Member # 1689) on :
Indeed, TSN.
Starship Freak: I guess what we were trying to get across is that if it was never broadcast as big as 1500x then showing a 1500x image from the low-resolution broadcast won't magically make new details appear. All the information in the original image is there at the original resolution.
Posted by Vanguard (Member # 1780) on :
Yep, 1920 horizontally... Man, I'm really off my game this weekend. Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
You´re right of course, but I wasn´t looking for the magic starship fairy in the pics. I was merely wondering if we couldn´t see more easily in a bit larger pics.
But skip this discussion and focus on the starships instead.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Well enlarging a screen cap to that size is no different than zooming in slightly...so you should just try that.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Cap his ass, Rev!
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Ok, thanks to Jörg, I now have caps, but since I no longer have any webpage, can someone please help a poor soul with 4 caps to host?
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
Use Flare Upload!
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Thanks! I actually looked for that but couldn´t find a link.
Ok, here are now 4 pics, not all ships are in those but they are all I have, and these are courtesy of Jörg:
These are the ships I can see. The only unknown I can possibly identify is the one to the immediate left of the Galaxy in Utopia Planitia 02.
Any thoughts?
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
All I can say is that there'd be absolutely no reason why the VFX guys would make a new CGI ship just to use it in the far background for one episode (unless it was an easter egg, like the Millennium Falcon in First Contact, or the TOS Enterprise in BSG). So whatever those unknown ships are, they're most likely something we've already seen.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
Well right off I can see several of those "unknowns" are Mirandas and that last one isn't an Akira, it's Voyager.
Posted by B.J. (Member # 858) on :
Yeah, that's the sad part about CGI effects these days - no concept ship easter eggs! As for these pics, sadly I can't make much out. I suspect an animated image might make things a little clearer (at least for me).
(And the link to Flare Upload is above the thread listing inside the "Starships & Technology" and "Designs, Artwork, & Creativity" subfora.
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Ok, I would agree to there not being any significant surprises but I still would like to identify as many as possible.
B.J.: thanks.
Reverend: Mirandas? Which ones in particular are you thinking of?
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
The one directly between the Excelsior and the Galaxy on 'utopia01.jpg' & 'utopia02.jpg'.
Posted by Pensive's Wetness (Member # 1203) on :
quote:Originally posted by B.J.: Yeah, that's the sad part about CGI effects these days - no concept ship easter eggs! As for these pics, sadly I can't make much out. I suspect an animated image might make things a little clearer (at least for me).
(And the link to Flare Upload is above the thread listing inside the "Starships & Technology" and "Designs, Artwork, & Creativity" subfora.
isn't that because they gotta fill all sorts of legal sh*t for anything they make as a paramount property, now adaze?
did they have to do anything when they made the Mill Falcon for FC?
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
I doubt anyone really gives a shit about the legal ramifications of easter eggs, but I could be wrong.
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Miranda? really? I had that one pegged as a saber
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Ooooh! Ship-spotting! We haven't done this around here in AGES!
I like the inclusion of city lights on the surface of Mars.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Starship Freak: Miranda? really? I had that one pegged as a saber
Yeah, gigantic 500-600 meter across Saber, but yeah.
Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Depends upon your perspective, doesn´t it? How close or far of it is. But you might be right.
Posted by Gvsualan (Member # 968) on :
Here are a couple sloppy panoramas I threw together:
The only thing really missing from the scene is the partially assembled Galaxy saucer that was first shown.
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