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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>vwuser</b> <br /><small>Member # 2182</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2009,10,22,1,10,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 22, 2009</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:10 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I was paying close attention to the close captioning of the film, and I noted that the shuttle commanded by Pike to the <i>Narada</i> is identified as Shuttle 89. So, could this mean the <i>Enterprise</i> has 89 shuttles? If so, how does this add to our understanding of the size of the starship.<br /><br />(According to the Starship Spotter, a <i>Galaxy</i>-class Starship had a total of 16 shuttles, with 4 work bees and a captain's yacht.) <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>MinutiaeMan</b> <br /><small>Member # 444</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2009,10,22,4,30,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 22, 2009</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:30 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I doubt it. I expect the numbering isn't necessarily in order. For whatever reason that might be. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Lee</b> <br /><small>Member # 393</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2009,10,22,15,32,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 22, 2009</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:32 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> While on the subject of shuttles, I just noticed something about the Kelvin I didn't before - but I'm sure someone must have commented on it, in which case I missed it.<br /><br />Captain Robau gets in a turbolift from the Bridge deck. Film then cuts to the shuttle deck and a turbolift coming DOWN the lift shaft which opens and Robau steps out. He walks up a set of stairs to the upper shuttle rank and flies one out. From the shuttle port at the rear of the secondary hull, at the top of the ship.<br /><br />Er?<br /><br />Where exactly did that lift shaft come from?! He was virtually at the highest point of the starship when he got out of the lift! <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>MinutiaeMan</b> <br /><small>Member # 444</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2009,10,22,17,12,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 22, 2009</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:12 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I never noticed that! Very amusing. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>HopefulNebula</b> <br /><small>Member # 1933</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2009,10,22,19,16,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 22, 2009</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:16 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by MinutiaeMan:<br /><strong> I doubt it. I expect the numbering isn't necessarily in order. For whatever reason that might be. </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">The <i>Kelvin</i> is the <i>Voyager</i>'s long-lost sister ship, and destruction of shuttlecraft is a family trait, perhaps? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Reverend</b> <br /><small>Member # 335</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2009,10,22,23,55,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 22, 2009</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:55 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Lee:<br /><strong> While on the subject of shuttles, I just noticed something about the Kelvin I didn't before - but I'm sure someone must have commented on it, in which case I missed it.<br /><br />Captain Robau gets in a turbolift from the Bridge deck. Film then cuts to the shuttle deck and a turbolift coming DOWN the lift shaft which opens and Robau steps out. He walks up a set of stairs to the upper shuttle rank and flies one out. From the shuttle port at the rear of the secondary hull, at the top of the ship.<br /><br />Er?<br /><br />Where exactly did that lift shaft come from?! He was virtually at the highest point of the starship when he got out of the lift! </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Perhaps the main horizontal turboshaft runs along the top of the engineering hull? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Fabrux</b> <br /><small>Member # 71</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2009,10,23,7,45,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 23, 2009</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:45 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> 89 shuttles and a yacht ain't one...<br /><br />Fandom material for the TOS-movie era has the ships with oodles of shuttles. If the <i>Kelvin</i> was a long-range vessel and was set out to start a colony or some such thing, it wouldn't be inconceivable for them to have a whack of auxiliary craft. It could be that the <i>Kelvin</i> didn't use transporters a whole lot and therefore had a bunch of shuttles. The high number of 89 could suggest lots and lots of workbees, travel pods, etc. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>vwuser</b> <br /><small>Member # 2182</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2009,10,23,12,4,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 23, 2009</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:04 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Shuttle 89 is not on the Kelvin, nor associated with this starship. This shuttle belongs to the Enterprise. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Fabrux</b> <br /><small>Member # 71</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2009,10,23,14,31,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 23, 2009</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:31 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Oh, oops. :S <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Ginger Beacon</b> <br /><small>Member # 1585</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2009,10,25,7,37,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 25, 2009</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:37 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The best in-universe idea that springs to mind is that the shuttle is not from the Enterprise, but from Starfleet HQ, or the space station and thus just a pool shuttle.<br /><br />Do we ever see the markings clearly enough to say fure sure it is an Enterprise shuttle?<br /><br />I expect the real world reason is either that Orci or Kurtzman just picked a number for the shuttle rather than a name, or that the ship was supposed to be the huge monster-prise XXL when they wrote it. Then 89 or ever 189 shuttles might not be unreasonable. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Hobbes</b> <br /><small>Member # 138</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2009,10,26,13,57,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 26, 2009</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:57 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I could give you a Navy reason...<br /><br />You've all seen pics of jets with nose numbers like 114 or 603. Doesn't mean there's 603 jets on the ship or even the 603rd jet in the fleet. The first number refers to the type of the squadron. For example, 1 = fighter squadron. 6 = electronic support missions. The second set means the number in the squad. 114 = 14th jet in the fighter squadron. Which then goes by seniority. The CAG would be in something like 100. The lowest ranking pilot would in like 114.<br /><br />I realize of course this isn't the case cause I doubt they even thought about it when doing shuttle numbers. I <i>suppose</i> you could say the first number refers to the type of the shuttle. Like 9th Type 8 shuttle on the Enterprise. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>vwuser</b> <br /><small>Member # 2182</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2009,10,27,0,56,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">November 27, 2009</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:56 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I have tabulated a full list of known shuttles from the film, and what they were used for: <br /><br /> <i>U.S.S. Kelvin NCC-0514</i><br />** <b>2</b> , seen departing the starship after the medical shuttle with evacuees<br />** <b>3</b> , seen departing the starship before the medical shuttle with evacuees<br />** <b>37</b> , medical shuttle, site of James T. Kirk's birth<br />** <b>43</b>, used by Robau when he flew to the <i>Narada</i> <br /><br /> <i>U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701</i><br />** <b>2 - Gilliam</b> used for ferrying cadets to the starship <br />** <b>9</b> used for ferrying cadets to the starship <br />** <b>89</b> used for the a three-team space-jumping onto a drilling rig and for ferrying Pike to the <i>Narada</i> <br /><br /> <i>Other</i><br />** <b>12091</b> stored in Hangar 1<br />** <b>70172</b> used for ferrying recruits to the Academy. Name is <i>Bardeen</i>. <br />** <b>78072</b> used for trans-warping cadets to the <i>Enterprise</i>, shuttle is 'banjaxed'<br />** <b>Dimassa 01</b>, seen in the Blue-Ray special features, unknown use <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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