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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: [QB] Cool! So what does it have that the standard shuttle doesn't, except for a 60s Caddie shape? Mark [/QB][/QUOTE]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>aridas</b> <br /><small>Member # 1051</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2007,9,9,15,30,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 09, 2007</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:30 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Since <b>Reverend</b> and several others here have explored the <b>TAS</b> shuttlcreaft designs, I thought I'd post this here to see what advice you folks might be able to provide.<br /><br />Here is my take on the shuttlecraft <i>Copernicus</i> from the <b>TAS</b> episode "The Slaver Weapon". My idea was to consult the shuttlecraft art of <b>Matt Jefferies</b>, the car designs of <i>Galileo</i> builder <b>Gene Winfield</b>, and my own sense of what seemed "right". I've reworked the design using stylistic touches garnered from <b>Winfield's</b> "Reactor" (which itself appeared as the "Jupiter 8" in "Bread and Circuses"). I've also consulted <b>TMP</b> designs like the tram and tried to include little bits here and there. I've tried to blend it all into a sensible design -- something I wasn't sure when I was starting out was possible and still be able to retain any link to the <b>TAS</b> ship. <br /><br />Anyhow, here it is. You be the judge if it would work in 3D. The scale depends on how big you want to make the <i>Galileo</i>, which is included for reference:<br /><br /><a href="http://home.comcast.net/~aridas/copern-gal-comp.jpg" target="_blank"> <img src="http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n167/aridas_sofia/copern-gal-comp.jpg" alt=" - " /></a><br /><br /><a href="http://home.comcast.net/~aridas/copernicus-bow-stern.jpg" target="_blank"> <img src="http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n167/aridas_sofia/copernicus-bow-stern.jpg" alt=" - " /></a><br /><br /><a href="http://home.comcast.net/~aridas/copernicus-top.jpg" target="_blank"> <img src="http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n167/aridas_sofia/copernicus-top.jpg" alt=" - " /></a><br /><br />You can click on the images for larger versions of the files. Comments are welcome -- it's a work in progress, of course. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Mark Nguyen</b> <br /><small>Member # 469</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2007,9,9,16,4,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 09, 2007</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:04 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Cool! So what does it have that the standard shuttle doesn't, except for a 60s Caddie shape?<br /><br />Mark <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Reverend</b> <br /><small>Member # 335</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2007,9,9,20,49,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 09, 2007</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:49 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The only problem I have with this design is that it's a shuttle craft. By that I mean without the warp engines, it'd make a perfectly plausible hovercraft/atmospheric shuttle. With the engines, it looks silly.<br />So what I'd do is one of two things, either (1) Loose the nacelles altogether, or (2) Change their attachment points to, say those outboard pylons, or maybe tuck them under, either side of the chassis. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>aridas</b> <br /><small>Member # 1051</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2007,9,9,21,56,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 09, 2007</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:56 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I should mention that I would never have laid out a design like that. It is the silliness of the look...<br /><br /><a href="http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/tas-copernicus.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/tas-copernicus.jpg</a><br /><br />...that made me reject the thing altogether when I did that cross section of the <b>TOS</b> <i>Enterprise</i>, and instead include <b>Jefferies'</b> original shuttle as a complement of the <i>Galileo</i>:<br /><br /> <img src="http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n167/aridas_sofia/trek/SH-600-700cpyrt.jpg" alt=" - " /> <br /><br />But I saw others trying to make this design work, and I thought I'd try. I don't necessarily think mine is any less silly, just more <i>stylishly</i> silly. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Reverend</b> <br /><small>Member # 335</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2007,9,9,22,50,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 09, 2007</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:50 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Yeah, when I dabbled in TAS shuttles I did look at this one and just discounted it as a bad design.<br />However, what you've done is fine, just whip off those nacelles and call it an atmospheric shuttle. There's no law that says you have to be slavish to the original design, feel free to make your own adjustments. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Timo</b> <br /><small>Member # 245</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2007,9,9,23,29,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 09, 2007</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:29 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> We're then still left with the challenge of interpreting the long range, high interior volume warp speed auxiliary craft of "The Slaver Weapon"...<br /><br />Something like Mark Wilson's companions to the <i>Hopi</i> (that is, a minimal reworking of the bow contours and windows) would work just fine, as long as we assume it's big enough. There's no real need for our hero ship to "accommodate" such oversized shuttles aboard; rather, they might be part of the ship's complement but not regularly shipped, much like the aquashuttle, or like the various auxiliaries that Cousteau's <i>Calypso</i> carried on as-needed basis. Probably every major starbase would have such craft in stock, and they could quickly be painted in the colors of the starship that needs them that particular week.<br /><br />I rather dig the angular, multi-partitioned interiors shown in the episode - possibly hiding a lot of functionality within the side walls, such as fold-out bunks and storage compartments, or slide-out transverse bulkheads. And I find it an interesting challenge to construct a working stern structure that (roughly) matches the exterior view but also allows for the full-width aft door as seen in the close-up. Even the magically disappearing sliding doors could be made to work plausibly with a little imagination. Which, I guess, is the most important ingredient in these exercises.<br /><br />Oh, and I do like the sportscar look of that shuttle, aridas! It's just that I'm fond of the original concept, too, and would like to see it salvaged somehow.<br /><br />Timo Saloniemi <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>aridas</b> <br /><small>Member # 1051</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2007,9,11,13,34,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">October 11, 2007</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:34 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I guess I was going for something that had a little bit of this in it...<br /><br /> <img src="http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n167/aridas_sofia/trek/ericsson-multi.jpg" alt=" - " /><br /><br />Instead of being so overtly boxy. Sort of this early <b>Jefferies</b> shuttlecraft design's little brother. <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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