I'm working on a Nebula-ized Constitution-class and was wondering if anyone else ever tried/did this.
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
Er. . . I suppose I'd better tell him. A Nebula is a Miranda-ised Galaxy, so-called because it shares a similar configuration to the Miranda-class, which used Constitution components.
Sooooo. . . might it just be a teensy little waste of time? 8)
(and yes, I know the Nebula pre-dates the Galaxy)
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Not really a waste. I succesfully made a Nebulaized Constitution, the Swift class. The nacelles are placed on their side, instead of donw, like on a Miranda, and it has the large pod on two struts
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Posted by Enterprise (Member # 48) on :
The359,
That is what I'm doing. On mine (which I will call the Bulldog-class) has the nacelles down (like a Miranda) and a pod on one strut. The strut is based on the neck from the Constitution-class (I'm too lazy do come up with something new on that front).
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Posted by Enterprise (Member # 48) on :
Oh and I might add, I'm doing this in plastic, not on paper. Yes ladies and gentlemen, my Bulldog-class is being built as a model.
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
So, the only difference between Nebulaizing and Mirandaizing is whether the pod is on a strut or a rollbar...? :-)
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Posted by Enterprise (Member # 48) on :
TSN,
Don't forget the size of the pod and wheater or not it has megaphasers...
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"Captain, the Sona crew are willing to negotiate a cease fire. It may have something to do with the fact that we have 3 minutes of air left." -- Worf
Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges -- In time of war the law falls silent.
Posted by Brigman on :
Well, you know come to think of it...
While the Nebula is obviously a descendant of the Miranda... there are some important differences.
The Nebula style DOES have a secondary hull, it is just tucked directly under the saucer.
The Nebula also does not have an elongated primary hull (i.e., saucer) like the Miranda.
So a "Nebulized" constitution could be interesting to see...
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, in common usage (at leats that I've seen), a Miranda-style ship is any ship that has the components of a traditional-design ship, but w/ the nacelles slung under. More specifically, the Miranda, Centaur, Nebula, and the proposed Endeavour from FC (or, actually, not from FC...).
Erm... It was called the Endeavour, wasn't it...?
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
Actually, it was called the Endevor, I think.
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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
Endeavour, Endevor? What are you talking about? Another kitbashed design?
The Endeavour was a Nebula-ised Sovereign due to appear in FC - it was to be the Admiral's ship which was destroyed. But it was shelved when they needed to have the Defiant appear to get Worf in the film.
Long before this was revealed, I designed the Monarch-class, a ship with a similar concept. . . two pics exist, my original and one that Vorleychops did with better nacelle details. I don't have either loaded on my webspace, though. They were on Jim Stevenson's page. . . I'll upload them tonight if anyone's interested (he said hopefully). 8)
Does anybody have a clue as to when the SSD will be back up?
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, as long as were talking about Mirandaized ships, here's my Tolkien, a Mirandaized Ambassador:
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Posted by Federation Shipmaster (Member # 15) on :
There was a very nice Nebula-ized Ambassador a while ago, known as the Apollo class. Does anyone know where that is now? Speaking of the Sovereign, I'll bring up my ORIGINAL Sovereign picture again that I DLed from the AOL Star Trek Forum.
Posted by Federation Shipmaster (Member # 15) on :
Hey! I had the idea of a Sovereign like that a while ago, except it had no secondary hull. Kind of like the Centaur.
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
TSN: Not bad. I would have expected a smaller engineering hull, but now I like the compact arrangement.
Fed: You're talking about the ship that can be seen when the Saratoga explodes in "Emissary"? It was commonly supposed to be the Apollo class Gage, although the Encyclopedia suggests that the Vulcan ships in "Unification" are Apollo class ships. Anyway, the ship in "Emissary" does look like a Mirandaized Ambassador.
Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
What, you mean the wrecked saucer? How could that look like anything?
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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
Hey all! I noticed you guys talkin about a NEBULAized AMBASSADOR, and I saw exactly what you're talking about at Wolfpak359. Check it out!
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[This message was edited by Fabrux on March 16, 1999.]
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
At least, there is a saucer and a pair of nacelles. If the Apollo class is supposed to be a Mirandaized Ambassador, I could believe it is the depicted ship.
BTW: Who said that the Apollo is an Ambassador modification in the first place?
There aren't any nacelles, just wreckage. They wouldn't build a new model only to have it show up once briefly, and then never again.
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
Weird thing. . . I found an old message I sent to The Vorlon in which I commented on how the Monarch is actually a Nebulaised Sovereign, not a Mirandaised one! It was that that actually started me working on another Sov variant, working name the Regency class, which then had its concept hijacked by the Mirandaised Akira I mentioned in another thread. . . and then went off in yet another direction entirely. All this without putting a single thing on paper! 8)
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
I do see the nacelles and I think it's an Ambassador saucer turned upside down, so the ship is probably Mirandaized. Some day someone will come up with an Apollo class schematic, maybe in the Fact Files. Then I'll have to revise my current opinion about the Apollo.
Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
ONCE AGAIN: Why would they build a new Ambassador saucer, attach nacelles, and put it in the corner where nobody would see it?!
It's junk! It's not meant to be anything! In fact, The Making of Deep Space Nine implies that it's supposed to be the wrecked saucer of the Melbourne!
And the Vulcan ships from "Unification" were Apollo-class, according to the encyclopedia.
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
I blew up the pic and flipped it over, and it looks a lot more like an Excelsior saucer - very blunt-edged, not at all the sharp edge of the Ambassador.
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
Frank: More than half of the Melbourne's saucer was blown away, while only "small" parts of the saucer in question are missing. Of course it's junk like anything in BoBW and Unification. They would never build a detailed model and waste it in such a way. It was only one suggestion that it could be an Ambassadorish ship.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
If you ask me, its a Constellation
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Posted by Federation Shipmaster (Member # 15) on :
Cool! I'm talkign about the Apollo class that was discussed at SFCR.
