OK, In a more fervant example of procrastination during my exam period... last night I did a little something that maybe of use in UP3?? OK the side view of the Challenger I did a while back - then I did a trace - for UP3?? and then I did the top view...
I created the Challenger from, of course, the scans of the diagrams from the encyc... and the idea of the nacelles flat - and off the back of the saucer section came from several anecdotal sources around the internet...
so, what do you think.
P.S. the Enterprise lettering has to be taken off the top view - but that can be done later...
Andrew
------------------ Ralph: Um, Miss Hoover? There's a dog in the vent. Hoover: Ralph, remember the time you said Snagglepuss was outside? Ralph: He was going to the bathroom.
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
I like it. 8)
Well, I like the diagram, that is. The Challenger itself is in the Top 5 Crap Kitbashes Of All Time.
I think once there's a bit more detail on the side view, and you've done a top view (remember - you only need to do half, then you can mirror it!), it'll be really good, and won't look amiss on the site. Good work, keep it up.
Posted by Lt. Tom on :
Nice diagram! Wish I had that kind of artistic streak. (I can't draw or mouse a straight line to save my life.)
Gotta agree with TFO. Why the heck would anyone do that? It's a Constitution II with the nacelles in a different place! What purpose does that serve?
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Please, don't go there. Then we'll have a plethora of Shellies and Centaur's up our behinds before you can say "kitbash".
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
Hmm. I've temporarily abandoned my Centaur diagram after I had a look at "ATtS" and realised I'd got it completely wrong. . . Garak's been writing up on the Curry for UP3, and did a compromise C'n'P of it that represents how we thinks it looks (ie NOT exactly as seen in the DS9TM). I might redraw it based on his diagram at some point. . .
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
I think I prefer Andrew's version. That other one may look good from the angle they show, but Andrew's looks better from the angles we're going to show.
Posted by Brown_supahero (Member # 83) on :
Re: Dorsal view
Question: doesn't the pylons connected to the impulse drive?
I don't want to be assigned quarters near that section if it blows up
Just wondering
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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Everybody seems to be assuming that the nacelles on the Challenger are mounted on pylons. Either on a Constellation-style T-pylon, or two longer ones as Andrew shows. But what about bolting them directly onto the saucer? After all, that's what Matt Jeffries did in those old plans for the Enterprise. The Jeffries design also had the short neck of the design promoted by Bernd... It looked a bit silly the way Jeffries did it, but would be rather cool in a compact, Miranda sort of way if done with the actual TOS movie era components...
OK this is an alteration of the top view - cause I did originally think the nacelles might be a bit wide - so in this one I made them the exact width as they are on the connie refit - i.e. the distance between where the pylons emerge from the engineering hull is the same witdth now in the saucer section pylons...
that ment that they would be partly obscured by the impulse engines - so I fixed that...
Oh they just clear those venty things that are anterior to proximal emergence of the pylons... oh you can tell I do anatomy
oh remember that this the just the prelim design - I'll be doing the line design next for the dorsal view and adding detail to the side view. ------------------ Ralph: Um, Miss Hoover? There's a dog in the vent. Hoover: Ralph, remember the time you said Snagglepuss was outside? Ralph: He was going to the bathroom.
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
Hmm, I can't decide which is better. . .
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
The neck is a matter of taste. However, I wonder if the nacelles shouldn't be connected in the same fashion as on the Constellation. I think this is what has been suggested, I think by Okuda, a long time ago. I don't have the exact quote, though.
------------------ "When diplomacy fails, there's only one alternative - violence. Force must be applied without apology. It's the Starfleet way." A somewhat different Janeway in VOY: "Living Witness" Ex Astris Scientia
